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Confused, stressed, torn apart

Started by Jatta, August 02, 2016, 07:36:07 AM

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Jatta

Hi everyone and thank you for this amazing community!

I've been lurking here for a long time and especially during the last couple of days, so I encouraged myself to post finally. I'll give you a bit of a background of my situation. This is going to be a long one, I appreciate everyone who reads this. I have never told these things to anyone, barely admitting them to myself. I am not a native english speaker, so forgive me for any faults.

I am currently nearly 26 year-old male with somewhat masculine characteristics and lifestyle. During the last 4 years I have suffered from a severe depression, sometimes it has been harder and sometimes easier. I have talked to four different psychologists and one psychiatrist, none of them really have gotten a clue what's bothering me. Mainly because of me holding things in, unable to express how I really feel.

I got my first depression diagnosis when I talked to a psychiatrist after a girlfriend of 6 years broke up with me. This breakup totally shattered me, I had built up all of my future plans depending on the fact that we would be always together. During a few sessions with the psychiatrist, I realized things weren't moving anywhere and I lied to her saying that I am feeling alright now and I don't need any more sessions. I tried just forgetting every negative thought and it somewhat worked for about a year. I don't remember much from that year, basically only the thing that I felt virtually no joy of anything I did. After that year, I met up with a girl I fell deeply in love with. We were on the crush-stage for too long with both of us not knowing if the other one was interested in the other. My self-esteem was at a all-time low and I couldn't bring myself to tell her how I feel.

After she started dating another guy, I really hit the rock bottom. Roughly 1.5 years ago I tried to take my own life by driving a car into a cliff. To this day I don't know how I survived with just minor bruces. After this I was forced in a psych-ward for a couple of weeks. I talked to numerous psychologists but again lied my way out of there not really feeling any better. I was put on anti-depressants which made me totally numb emotionally. I was no longer unhappy, but I wasn't happy either. Just totally numb.

After about 6 months of anti-depressants, I met my nowadays-girlfriend and gave up on the anti-depressants. I started to have emotions again - but they were varying very much from suicide-mode to the happiest person in the world.

My head has been a total mess for the past 4 years and I think I am sort of getting the grips on what makes it a mess. From the age of 8 or 9, I have been interested in the thought of being a woman. I have never felt quite right being in my body - just like I don't fit the male-mold I should fit in. That there's something more I could be. I remember being about 10 or 11 when I first started dressing up in my mothers clothes when nobody else was home. I remember them making me feel very comfortable and somehow happy - all the same time it made me feel guilt. I did this whenever I got the chance till I was about 15.

From the ages 15 to 20 I dropped all my thoughts of being a woman. I don't remember pushing them aside - they just kind of disappeared. Then one night I found myself in me and my girlfriends apartment, at her wardrobe trying on her clothes and shoes.

This began the stage I currently feel I am in. I still don't fit the mold I should fit in defined by the society. Basically I am feeling okay, but just okay, the kind of okay that keeps me alive. I still have this thought in the back of my head that I could be so much more.

I have been trying to make every single thing to make me fit in, but I am running out of stuff to try. I fix cars in my freetime, go out drinking with my buddies, go fishing, hit the gym and try to be as masculine I possibly can. There's not much more I can do. I could try a couple more things but I already know they are not gonna make me feel any better about myself.

My sexual fantasies (I hope talking about these here is allowed and some moderator isn't just gonna delete this message) have been revolving around me being a woman for the last five or six years. Even the thought of me putting makeup on or doing my hair gets me the kicks. There's times I fantasize about me being just a male and having sex with a girl, but it's like 95-5 ratio.

To this point it must seem all clear to you guys: go see a doctor and go on HRT and start living life as a woman. Oh god how I wish it was that simple. Okay, it basically is that simple but my mind is fighting back hard. The following is the reason I wanted to open myself to you.

I come from a very traditional family. My mother is a deeply believing christian and my dad is in the borderlines of being a christian or an atheist. Me and my dad get along pretty okay nowadays, but it hasn't been easy in the past. He is a very demanding person and not meeting his demands resulted in me getting beat up as a kid. This grew a fear towards him and every time I talk to him, I am just making sure I don't piss him off. We never talk about our feelings, only "guy stuff": cars, computers etc. With my mother it's almost the different way around. She has never been too demanding and she's basically the one who I was raised by, my dad being away from home a lot when I was growing up. But I still find it extremely hard talking to her about any of my feelings regarding anything, maybe it has something to do with her being an way over-protective person and I am trying my best not to freak her out. Over the last couple of years we have been a bit closer with my dad, basically the psych-ward weeks made him realize something. I don't know what he realized but it changed his behaviour a bit towards being more human. My grandparents are basically the copies of the two mentioned above, only being slightly more gentle.

I am working with 6 women and 2 guys so I have became the car-fixing handyman here. Work doesn't provide me any real pleasure, it's just a place which puts money in my bank account every once in a while. I don't feel in any ways affected to my workplace.

As I mentioned above, I have never talked to anyone about these feelings, that I actually want to be a girl. I guess I have tried to see that as a passing phase, not the truth. Over the last week or so I have been overwhelmed with the thoughts of this and maybe starting to see that it's not a phase. If I ever picture myself happy, it's me as a beautiful woman, having a loving husband and a house. Having to do my makeup in the morning, having to fix my hair. Going out on a warm summer day, wearing a beautiful dress and heels. Having the wind blow hair in my face. Having guys check back on me as I pass them by. Going shopping for a cute outfit. Everything that's opposite of what I am doing right now.

So what's keeping me from coming out and starting HRT and onwards?

First thing is that I am pretty certain my parents wouldn't understand any of this. They would try to talk me out of it, they would be ashamed of growing a freak into the world. I am pretty sure that this would shatter their lives.

Same thing goes with my friends, I cannot find a way I could ever tell them this. I'm sure they would just think that I am crazy and try to talk me out of it. I do actually belive that no one would take me seriously.

And the same thing goes for my girlfriend. She actually once said:"If you would ever come out as a transgender, I would laugh my ass of and our relationship would be over in a heartbeat. Luckily you're that kind of guy who would never ever ever be that way." That one sentence destroyed me inside when it was said to my face.

Another thing is that I don't know if I ever would be passable and it's terrifying me. I have a quite masculine face. I have tried and tried picturing me as a girl, but having a huge beard is making it really hard. I have thought of shaving it multiple times, but always come to the solution that somebody would notice that something weird is up if I shaved. I have been browsing for hours and hours of MTF timelines but I am still not convinced.

I really feel like I am torn apart in here. One part of my brain is telling me to try fitting in as a man, the one is telling me to come out and start HRT.

Feel free to comment, I am really lost here. I have even thought about just disappearing without a trail and start a life in a whole other country. Because if I let everybody know I moved, they would still try to make contact and it would eventually be clear that I have transitioned. But just disappearing under the radar couldn't be a very good option if I needed something like medical services (which I would need, of course, for my transition). I have played the situation where I am coming out to my parents over and over again and hadn't still had a good end result, only horrifying images of me being rejected. This is why I am feeling so terrified of all this.

Thanks again if you read this, thank you even more if you'd like to post your own comments on what should I do.

P.S. I chose as my nickname the name I would be called as if I was a woman. That alone ran a warm wave through my body.
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Jacqueline

Jatta,

Welcome to the site.

Thanks so much for sharing your story. It is hard to come to grips with this. For me I had the arguments in my head off and on till last year(I turned 50 then). I too started having urges to dress and be different from around 8 or 9. My impulse to dress was never public (shame and guilt were too strong) but it formed into what I would think of as my perverted, kink. It became a sexually charged thing( I think that is fairly normal when starting and deeply hidden).

The fear, shame and guilt seem to be a common thread for most of us (along with depression and often suicide ideatation-not all but many). This was all true for me and many members we interact with on this site. I can't tell you not to be afraid. I can't tell you that your family, friends and girlfriend will understand. I can tell you a few things. You may end up being surprised by who is supportive( I have to wonder what prompted your girlfriend to say that? Is it possible she suspects or senses something, even if she says she would laugh?) I can say that after 50ish years for me, and more for others, it never goes away. I can also ask, not tell you, how important is your life to you and those around you? They may not understand at first. However, I find the people I am out to, were amazed at how unhappy we are in these skins that do not feel like our own. I am not completely full time or out to all but my change in attitude is so clearly different. My wife is surprised what a positive and fun person I am to be around. I cannot promise we will stay together if I fully transition but she will not let me de-transition from where I am.

I guess I am saying I hope your friends and family love you enough to be happy you have found a way to life. Some may not. That will be painful. However, it sure seems like this might be a direction you experiment with. In doing so, you may find happiness in it.

I would highly suggest you visit a therapist. Preferably, a gender specialist. They help us through the maze of confusion. They are not there to tell you what you are or are not. You most likely would need to a letter or to be seeing one to be approved for HRT anyway. They can help guide you to a path to try to see if it is right for you. You would have to be very open and completely honest with them. It is frightening at first but after, you feel so much better(kind of how I assume you felt after writing this post). Speaking of which, I think I would like to move this to introductions. I imagine you will get many responses from there.

I am a moderator and we try not to eliminate whole posts because of a word, line or paragraph. I'm not saying we don't have to edit to follow our sites rules but we try to be as clean as possible with it. Speaking of which, I also want to share some links with you. They are mostly welcome information and the rules that govern the site. If you have not had a chance to look through them, please take a moment:

Things that you should read





Once again, welcome to Susan's. Look around, ask questions and join in.

With warmth,

Joanna
1st Therapy: February 2015
First Endo visit & HRT StartJanuary 29, 2016
Jacqueline from Joanna July 18, 2017
Full Time June 1, 2018





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Dena

Welcome to Susan's Place. You options come down to the safe, but unhappy place and the risky but possible happiness. The decision is difficult but there are options. You could see a gender therapist and possible start HRT which in many cases reduces the discomfort. At that point reevaluate your decision as this isn't a one way trip without stops along the way. Most of us have a good idea were we want to go and once we get started, we tend not to change our mind but some do. The following two links are people who are stopped part way and are still deciding.

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,207785.0.html
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,209589.0.html

You said you looked at the time lines but there is another set of threads you may not have seen. The are the before and after threads. Granted some of the pictures have been pulled but there are enough to get a good idea of with is possible.

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,106815.0.html
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,144104.0.html
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,168444.0.html
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,210798.0.html
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V M

Hi Jatta  :icon_wave:

Welcome to Susan's  :)  Glad to have you here, join on in the fun

Hugs

V M
The main things to remember in life are Love, Kindness, Understanding and Respect - Always make forward progress

Superficial fanny kissing friends are a dime a dozen, a TRUE FRIEND however is PRICELESS


- V M
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V

Hey Jatta, I can't tell you what to do, but a fair bit of your story is so similar to mine. Including the crashing a car to try and kill yourself bit. And then the psych ward bit after that! And the relationships part too, and the depression and the reaction to anti-depressants.
I was 26 when I had had enough. I never thought I would be able to have a life as a woman. But I realised for me it was do or die, and so I started on hrt when I was 27 (initially self-medicating, but I am not condoning that!) I transitioned at 28 and had SRS at 30. I'm now in my mid-40's and have a great relationship with a guy. So it is possible, just not easy. I split up from my girlfriend when I was 27, as she was not in favour of me transitioning.
Although I didn't have problems with my family and they all accepted me and supported me.
So as far as that, I cannot say much to help you.
I hope things get better for you, my heart goes out to you.
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JeNn_DeViLz

Welcome to Susans! :) I can relate to some of your story but everyone's lives are different and we all walk a similar but different path. I am 32 and had been running from Jennifer (myself) for too long. I tried coming out younger but my mom just said it was a phase. I remember counseling when I lived in Lost Angeles and the counselor telling me its not a phase, you can get rid of all your belongings and the urge will come back because it is who you are and you can't tell your brain and body your aren't something your not before it drives you absolutely insane. It was the root of all of my depression and stress among a few other negative life impacts which I will not go into here. You have to be happy with yourself before anything gets better. Don't feel you need approval from anyone but yourself. I was lucky and fortunate to find a girl who loves me for who I am and not what society thinks I should be. She finds it an amazing quality and in turn our relationship with each other is getting stronger by the day. She comes from a strict hispanic catholic family. I'm an average white american girl. We don't even live in the same country but we make the distance work via facebook messenger and facebook video calling. She was terrified to even tell her mother she is in love with someone and her mom still doesn't know that I'm transgender. I'm not fully out out but almost there. I would seriously read about HRT and get some advice from others on how hormones will affect you emotionally/mentally and physically. Last year I started HRT and was on them for about 3 months and had to take a break. I was still running from Jennifer and finally realized she is who I really am. It is crucial you find a support group through friends family or on here. It's a very difficult road to walk by yourself. I went out shopping with a gf co worker today and I didnt have makeup on but rocking my flats, new bag I got and got my eyebrows threaded at the mall. We stopped in Rue 21 and I did some shopping and tried some skirts and tops on and I'm sure people were staring but you know what? I didn't care and didnt pay attention because the girl I was with doesn't care who i am on the outside and appreciates who I am on the inside and how I carry myself to others, especially at work. I came out at work and had the biggest open arms I could ask for. I honestly cannot remember the last time I was depressed. And I tried hanging myself last year in my garage which ended me in the hospital for 2 weeks. Most of that was the antidepressants and I will NEVER get on those EVER again. I was even called "sir" today during lunch with my friends and even though I was a little hurt I still kept my composure. Mind you I wasn't wearing makeup so I wasn't even trying hard to look feminine today I just wanted to have a nice comfortable day and be me. And NOTHING bad happened! Most of my immediate family doesn't speak to me anymore because they want nothing to do with a transgender. And I strongly believe most people who make comments are just insecure within themselves and aren't educated on the subject enough to make a rational judgement. I think I can speak for everyone here and say we got your back and the doors are always open here for advice and a little positive encouragment! I read the slogan for the site everyday and think about what it means to me. Like anything in life you can either take baby steps or jump right in, either way is great as long as your making those steps forwards and not backwards. Good luck to you sweetie and follow your heart.

Jennifer Alexandria
Inspire others more than yourself and be A_Light_In_The_Dark for those who are cast in the darkness of society =)
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Jatta

#6
Hi again!

A huge thank you for everyone who replied!  :) You have no idea how good I am feeling, I feel so much more encouraged now.

@Joanna

Thank you for your story!  :) And also thanks for the info on the thread move, I visited this site with my phone last night and immediately thought that I've messed up bad and they have removed my thread...  ;D

The statement from my GF was given while we were watching the TV-show "I'm Jazz" - I may have looked at it with a bit too intensity and this triggered her to say that...  :D As I have thought this through, if I ever get to the point of starting my transition, I don't need a person like my girlfriend in my life. Letting go will be painful at first but it serves a greater purpose a.k.a me feeling good about myself.

I am seriously considering in finding and meeting a gender therapist, I will look into this today. I live in a fairly big city but in a fairly small country so there's a chance a gender therapist will be somewhere close to me.

Thank you all again, you have no idea how good I am feeling right now, coming to terms of what is really bothering me. Next step is to visit a gender therapist and seeing if my thoughts match the therapist's.  :)

All the best to you wonderful people,

Jatta

p.s. Just found out that a few blocks from my house is a gender therapist, I am gonna book an appointment with her ASAP. Have to say, haven't felt this good in a long long time. Opening up to this community really helped out more than I ever thought it could.  :)
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Jacqueline

Jatta,

That is great to hear. I hope you find some resolution that will make your journey clear to you. It is your choice.

The thing I forgot to add to my post is that often we feel along and isolated. While statistics are probably wrong about the number of trans people, we are still fairly rare. My point is that you are not alone. I thought it was just me for years. We are everywhere around the world. You have many siblings in us that you have never met.

By the way, your English is excellent.

With warmth,

Joanna
1st Therapy: February 2015
First Endo visit & HRT StartJanuary 29, 2016
Jacqueline from Joanna July 18, 2017
Full Time June 1, 2018





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Jatta

Joanna,

I know exactly what you are talking about. Sometimes I feel like I'm the only person in the world. Finding this community has helped a great deal with those feelings, I have never felt better in my life. The feelings of guilt I experienced when I was younger are long gone and I am really starting to see that me wanting to live a happy life in the gender is nothing to feel ashamed of.

My feelings are still a huge mess, but I am seeing some light at the end of the tunnel and this is really one of the first things in my life I really want to work on. What's the point living a life unhappy, if there's a fairly simple solution to make my life happier and feel better about myself. I know this is definetly not going to be easy or simple, but I am willing to put all my focus on this.

All the best,

Jatta
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Drexy/Drex

Thanks for sharing that jatta , i have a bit in common  with you in that i have been running away from my self , very masculine ...but quiet ,
ride motorcycles , look strong in front of other men i work out in the desert for weeks at a time with a just men a few woman every day  a pretense  my working life its just been mens boots  , secretly coveted ddessing up for so long ..but never did as i thought i was being peverted ...it wasnt so much  asexual sexual kick for me but a sensusal desire , i once had a sexual  relationship with  man  he seduced me ,
I aways played the female role though i was such a prude  but i did it because it made me feel right , never forget how he  said he knew a guy who wanted to crossdress  ...he laughed and said how ridiculous ....hearing that crushed me inside  so i battened down my desires ..sad thing was it was just before the testosterone  really kicked off in  me and changed me from androgynous  to the masculine counternance i know wear . .....i think your your thoughts on being a full female are beautiful  and normal
i,m tired now ....new job tomorrow out in the outback being a bloke
I wish you well ...and nust follow your heart .....dont worry there all sorts of magic that can be done today
Me the industry i,m in thoguh we all come together from the far parts of australia  its like a family .....if i do what i,m going to  do ..it will  blow their minds .....but i will do such a good job that i will win their admiration  not that it really worrys me ...any way i diverge
Just dont waste time take a deep breath  see a therapist  if you need to and make a start  your heart knows ...follow it  best wishs
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Jatta

Hi everybody!

Thought it'd be a good thing to check in after over half a year of silence.

Last August I booked an appointment with a gender therapist near me but at the last minute I cancelled it. Some unbelievable force inside of me screamed "DON'T DO IT, DON'T YOU DARE DO IT" - what the *beep*!  >:( I completely denied myself for feeling dysphoric and made every effort to fit into a male form.

Yep, it worked. For about two days. I felt so horrible 'cause every single moment I was focusing on denying all dysphoric feelings from myself and forcing myself to be a happy ol' lumberjack. I really do not know what went it to me and I kind of hate myself for it. Maybe it was the realization of facts that I would have to "disappoint" my
deeply religious family, my conservative girlfriend, my not-too-liberal friends. Maybe it was the fear of being left alone - it's a true fear for me being an super over-achieving and caring person.

After those horrific two days, I re-accepted my feelings and felt a huge relief. I started working on a letter to "Mr. or Mrs. Gender Therapist X" and finished it a few days back. I wanted to cover the whole story and it took me over half an year, but I am happy. I've got the rest of my life ahead of me and I want to do this properly.

This is such a little step so I maybe shouldn't be too proud of myself, but I sent the letter to a Transgender Support Center! After pressing "Send", I literally fell in tears. I was so happy I couldn't control myself. I must have cried for at least 15 minutes because my eyes were bright red afterwards. Basically I wrote down everything major that has happened in my life and how I am feeling right now: varying from medium to "through the roof" dysphoria. I ended the letter with a simple question:"What's the next step?" The Support Center's website told that there is about two to three weeks delay in answers. So there's two to three weeks of continuous refreshing of my Inbox coming up...  ;D I am pretty sure that they will offer me a meeting with a gender therapist but now I am much more comfortable with that meeting as the therapist will already know a bit of my background.

To ease the dysphoria, I've been updating my wardrobe and wearing different cute outfits when I am home alone. I even wore a dress (under my jacket) one night I went to smoke a cig outside. Nobody saw it, but it was hard for me to not smile out of pure happiness like a blithering idiot all the time.  :D Dressing up used to be enough to calm my dysphoria almost completely for a certain amount of time but now the dysphoria is starting to overcome. I still enjoy dressing up the same or more than before, but it's simply not enough. I know you know what I mean by this. :)

Hugs and kisses everybody, this forum has pretty much made my life take a 180-turn to the right direction!  :-*
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Jacqueline

Jatta,

Congratulations! That may not seem like such a step. However, even if every step is the same size, the first one to overcome a lack of movement takes some effort and intent. I remember setting up my appointment to visit a therapist (first visit ever to a therapist. I was so near a panic attack.

Be proud of yourself.

With warmth,

Joanna
1st Therapy: February 2015
First Endo visit & HRT StartJanuary 29, 2016
Jacqueline from Joanna July 18, 2017
Full Time June 1, 2018





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Laurie


  Hi Jatta,

  If you are still lurking around here I'd like to say congratulations on sending in your letter and coming to the conclusion that you are doing the right thing. As far as you canceling your last appointment goes. Well, some of us just are not quite ready to do what we need to do. When my turn came I was apprehensive but did not hesitate in taking my first step. Mind you it took me 64 years to do it. My first step was obtaining and taking my first doses of HRT drugs. From that all my other steps flow. like telling my doctor and getting gender therapy.
  It's not when nor even how you start, it's that you start at all, that is what is important. For once you start you can take another step, then another, and another...
  Keep taking those steps Jatta and you will get to where you are going.

Hugs,
    Laurie.
April 13, 2019 switched to estradiol valerate
December 20, 2018    Referral sent to OHSU Dr Dugi  for vaginoplasty consult
December 10, 2018    Second Letter VA Psychiatric Practical nurse
November 15, 2018    First letter from VA therapist
May 11, 2018 I am Laurie Jeanette Wickwire
May   3, 2018 Submitted name change forms
Aug 26, 2017 another increase in estradiol
Jun  26, 2017 Last day in male attire That's full time I guess
May 20, 2017 doubled estradiol
May 18, 2017 started electrolysis
Dec   4, 2016 Started estradiol and spironolactone



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Drexy/Drex

Congrats  Jatta  sell done,  step by step I think I will follow suit in writing  up like you did... Next therapist  I see I will hand them the letter... Will save. So. Much time great idea
I wear a bit of mascara and brow contour in public  now... Not too much but makes.me feel better
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