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Which science arguments do you use when talking to conservatives?

Started by Sebby Michelango, July 27, 2016, 03:10:43 PM

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Sebby Michelango

Quote from: Obfuskatie on August 07, 2016, 04:05:46 PM
Homophobia wasn't a thing until about a century after the founding fathers died, so I doubt they'd perceive us as anything more unusual than Oscar Wilde if he lived during their time. Confirmed bachelors, fops and dandies weren't feared or derided, just dismissed. Also it was pretty common for men to have mancrushes then and even to admit they love their bestie.

Being trans was a lot harder then, but not impossible. Especially because men and women were mostly segregated from each other after childhood. The theatres only had male actors and needed an actor or two to play the female parts. And marriages were usually arranged by the families so the wives and husbands wouldn't always get angry at the other for their indiscretions and idiosyncrasies. To be trans then usually meant they had to disappear and start a new life, and probably wouldn't be able to marry without a family to arrange it, unless they became wealthy somehow (which was more likely during the gold rush). So for FtM, there are a few examples of women living as men, one in particular was a carriage-driver in the late 1800s. I don't know a lot of historical examples on the MtF side tho.


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Lili Elbe and Christine Jorgensen were transgender women who lived in the 1900s. Lili Elbe was one of the first person who underwent sex correction surgery. Edward De Lacy Evans was a trans man who lived in the 1800s. He were sent to a mental asylum.
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