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tg and 60 years old and still stuck in the closet

Started by tina7884, August 02, 2016, 03:32:23 PM

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Ciara

Quote from: warlockmaker on August 04, 2016, 11:53:11 PM
Reading these posts makes me sad that so many of my sisters in the Western world face such prejudices....yet the West continue to claim that this is where people are all equal more than anywhere.

I have total acceptance and the very few that cannot accept are irralevant. I am truly blessed to have my family, friends and public support in Asia.

You have time ....people slowly change. My only advice is stay healthy and eat well so that your  can layer still have your dreams come true.
We have a lot to learn from your part of the world.
I don't have a gender issue.
I love being a girl.



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JoanneB

I am now officially 60 y/o and also spent much to all of that time "In the closet". I am also a bit of an enigma. I felt since I was like 4 y/o I wanted to be a girl. I hoped, wished, prayed that I would wake up as one. Never happened back then. I was told in uncertain terms by mom when I was like 5 "Boys do not wear skirts". As one of several second generation blue collar family types back in the 50's & 60's the only thing worse then a gay person was a a gay person in a dress. A hetero-TV was an oxymoron. Real men do not each quiche and certainly not wear dresses.

When I got out of uni, I experimented with transitioning, twice. Both times utter fails. Between experiments I had my "Practice" marriage hoping the feelings will go away. They didn't. Only my wife did after finding my stash of clothes. I figured maybe "Coming clean" was a better idea. Which I did to my future fiancee. Well... when wedding date pressure mounted, she bolted. I wasn't "A real man"

I spent a good 40 years being a chameleon, trying to blend in. To at some level be like other guys. It took an ever increasing effort to bury the GD. No matter what I needed the at least once a month escape from maleness. At times of high stress, even more

And there was plenty of stress. To bury Joanne I buried myself in a universe of Diversion, Distractions and even denial. The 3D's as I call them. My existence morphed into an overwhelming drive to seem "Normal", bury Joanne forever. I said after two failed transition experiments "I am just a Cross-Dresser". I really just settled on that. At 6ft tall, big everything and deeper then average voice... oh yeah, also balding since 14, I could be nothing else but. In time I turned into a lifeless soulless thing that existed merely to do "What was expected". Actually, more of what the chameleon said was expected. I was a Hollywood facade of a man. Not a person. Just a thing

As often happened in my life, the excrement hit the air-handler yet again. Laid-off, new job 350 miles from home, a shaky marriage now a long distance shaky marriage. A wife fighting depression as well as the chronic pain she has been in for 8 years. Plenty of financial obligations. The new job in rural WV, our home just outside NYC where the best doctors are supposed to be. SHe stayed in NJ to bark at strangers passing the house.

I was alone, in a strange place, new job, culture shock, and.... WAY too much time with just my thoughts. I fell back on my old friends food and booze to shut off the noise. All my distractions were gone. Even my job which so much of it defined me was a joke. A good admin could be as much of an engineer as I was expected to be now working for a mil contractor. 90% of my brain needed to be tied behind my back just to make it fair. After a few months my weight started to get way to close to 200 lbs, a territory this former fatty swore she'll never come close to again after dropping 100 lbs. years earlier.

A lightning bolt shot through me as I sat there sobbing and thinking "I couldn't even cross-dress if I wanted to. Nothing will fit" It spoke volumes. Of everything that I could be depressed over, not being able to fit into my fem wardrobe bothered me the most. I sobbed for a good hour. Not from self-pity, rather because I knew I needed to change things. Change how I was NOT handling being trans which left only having to deal with it for real. Either deal with or that special concrete wall at 90MPH I was eyeing up. One option had a Do-Over

Was I ever a cross-dresser? God how I wish I was. Life would have been far less complicated. But wishing I was just a cross-dresser was about as effective as wishing I'd wake up in the morning as a girl. It took nearly 50 years to realize I was waking up each morning as a girl.

When faced with problems with many moving pieces and no simple answer, I found the answer to one easy question tends to answer the most complicated questions in life:

"Which Pain is Worse?"

You are certainly somewhere in the TG spectrum. The real trick is sorting out where you are, TODAY which then leads into what you need to do to manage the GD. You know you are not happy with the "In the closet" spot you are in. That's an easy one to fix. But it depends on which pain is worse. Loosing your wife?, Family? Friends? Livelihood? Or, would just the occasional "Escape from Maleness" that you had pre-marriage immensely change how you feel?

There seems to be a tendency for people to reason:
I am not Cis, therefore I am trans. If I am trans the only real route to nirvana is to be all in and do a full social and medical transition. Making that leap of logic is often a very deep well of unending angst. Except for the members of the Transition or Die club.

I am constantly juggling Needs and Wants. Most days I do not need to fully transition. That feeling often lasts from hours, to maybe a few days. Every day I want to. But.... Gender presentation is about 20% of the totality of what makes me, Me. The potential cost of making a full transition is more then I want to risk. I do not Need to transition. I do know, without any doubt whatsoever, I need my HRT. I now need to see, to feel and to know I now have a body I can live and be happy in. I worked hard on my personal growth. I know I need to keep up with those lessons. I need to keep on fully integrating the male side of me with female side. After 7 years of work I am still learning what it is to be me, the real person me. I Need/Want my wife, BFF, soul-mate, and reality therapist of some 40 years. I also know how difficult it has been and still is for her to loose her man. She sure cannot see me as one when my breasts are nicer then hers. Yet I do present primarily as male as I dance on the edge of my unique knife.

Only you can answer Which Pain is Worse? for you
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Ciara

Joanne,
You always make so much sense..........thank you.
Ciara
I don't have a gender issue.
I love being a girl.



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JoanneB

Quote from: Ciara on August 05, 2016, 06:11:44 PM
Joanne,
You always make so much sense..........thank you.
Ciara
Thank you hon. If I can only save one other person the pain and anguish I felt I needed to put myself through......
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tina7884

Once again... Thank You for all the advise and encouragement!!!

Joanne you seem to be in the exact spot I'm in. Taking it day by day. Some days better, some days worse. The cost of transitioning is way to high for me. Being a paramedic/Firefighter for over 35 years taught me my life was put on this earth to help others. God taught me to help others a long time ago. My transition would do nothing by destroy others, so I couldn't do it. Perhaps in the near future things will change. Who knows. I attempted to open the "closet door" and had my nose bitten off. I only had a small taste of the damage it will cause. So I won't be trying that again until society drastically changes.

I have found several things I can do to help ease my dysphoria. They seems to be keeping my head above water. I have kept "my secrete" for almost 60 years. I think I can keep it up for a while longer. When I attempted to transition before I was on HRT and really felt pretty good. I was told that because I lived with a bunch of guys my testosterone levels were off the charts. (Similar results with apes in the wild. Not sure what he was saying?!?!?) I have thought about getting back on the HRT but not sure how I can get it past the wife. Perhaps I will discuss some of this with my doctor. Perhaps he would be professional enough to be able to keep the friendship we have built.

So for now I will just keep plodding along. I feel that letting my story out was half the battle. Thanks for listening!! You are all right. I don't have to pray every night to wake up a woman... I'm already one. I just don't have the same parts and everyone else. The last I checked we all have different fingerprints. so I guess we are all a little different!!!

I will keep this site in my mind and read it often.

Joanne... I hope you will one day be able to complete the whole package!!! Your kindness is quite obvious!!!

Tina
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Ciara

Tina,
I wish you the best and I wish you happiness.

Ciara.
I don't have a gender issue.
I love being a girl.



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JoanneB

Thank you Tina.

REALLY coming out to yourself is a hard thing to do. I have always made the distinction between knowing I was trans since I was like 4 y/o and "Taking on the Trans-Beast for real". For 50 years we just sparred and I usually was the one bruised and bloodied. I also like to break down "Transition" into its simplest meaning which is "To Change".

Making any sort of a real change in your very own personal life is not an easy thing. People like routines. We like to wake up to a world not much different then it was when we went to sleep. I've been spending 7 years making changes in my life with the ultimate goal being to maybe finally figure out who and what I really am. I didn't want to "Survive", I wanted to LIVE. I wanted to be able to answer my wife's favorite question of "What are your hopes, wishes, and dreams?" with something more then "I dunno" because I really didn't have any except on long given up on as dead in the water

I changed a LOT as a person in those ensuing years. I am still changing and growing. I am still learning and discovering who I am as I finally am able to enjoy the world I am in
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Janes Groove

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Quote from: JoanneB on August 05, 2016, 05:42:22 PM

There seems to be a tendency for people to reason:
I am not Cis, therefore I am trans. If I am trans the only real route to nirvana is to be all in and do a full social and medical transition. Making that leap of logic is often a very deep well of unending angst.

I agree. That is true for many people.
But, from what I've read and the anecdotal experiences I have had, show that cases of transition regret are extremely low.

Quote from: JoanneB on August 05, 2016, 05:42:22 PM
Except for the members of the Transition or Die club.

Not sure I'm quite there, however.  I do know trans women who want to transition because of positive reasons, like for example because for them:

1. It's fun.
2. All the obstacles that were preventing them from doing what they always wanted to do, i.e., medically and socially transitioning to female have either fallen away or been overcome so that they are now able to approach their transition from a joyful, and even hopeful place. Not just because they fear negative consequences of not transitioning (Transition or Die club), but because they enthusiastically welcome the opportunity to do what they always dreamt of doing.


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Bob Wascathy

I'm 51 and still so far in the closet that my passport is issued by Narnia. I genuinely don't know what to do any more, joined (and left) numerous internet fora over the years, lost as many friends as I made on there, been slated for my lack of progress, but it's not an easy place to be in.

I'm married (for the second time) with a 10 year old daughter who is the reason I keep going, my wife knows of my "issue" (as she refers to it) but she just thinks it's some kind of perversion which I can forget about. I've tried to explain to her but, well, I may as well talk to the wall. It's two years since I've had any "me time", I don't have any female clothing any more (the friend who was storing my stuff and providing space to be "me" got fed up of my depression and introspection and cut me off), and some days life just feels hopeless.

My wife is narcissistic and manipulative, sometimes I feel I'm only here as a supply of ready cash, although I'm in a reasonably well paid job I'm constantly short of money as I'm expected to subsidise her stream of "businesses" (read glorified hobby), people tell me to leave but I have no spare cash and nowhere to go. Plus the prospect of my daughter growing up influenced solely by my wife worries me.

Sorry to ramble on so, just feel so frustrated that I don't know which way to turn, I feel so lonely, and 8 months of counselling just made things worse if anything.
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warlockmaker

Hi Bob, that was my old name...at 51 you have loys of time. Be positive and wait a bit and see how things develop. .. try keeping a special savings account for your future surgery needs. In the interim, if you still have cashown left from your wife's lifestyle start removing your facial hair...tell her it makes you feel younger. Many of us spend years removing our facial hairs..and you will have a positive head start when it's time.

BTW I have a daughters of 4 yrs old and a 15 yrs old. And a wife with big ambitions that cost alot but she never sees it through ...
When we first start our journey the perception and moral values all dramatically change in wonderment. As we evolve further it all becomes normal again but the journey has changed us forever.

SRS January 21st,  2558 (Buddhist calander), 2015
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Bob Wascathy

Quote from: warlockmaker on August 08, 2016, 08:37:43 AM
Hi Bob, that was my old name...at 51 you have loys of time. Be positive and wait a bit and see how things develop. .. try keeping a special savings account for your future surgery needs. In the interim, if you still have cashown left from your wife's lifestyle start removing your facial hair...tell her it makes you feel younger. Many of us spend years removing our facial hairs..and you will have a positive head start when it's time.

BTW I have a daughters of 4 yrs old and a 15 yrs old. And a wife with big ambitions that cost alot but she never sees it through ...

Until 2 1/2 years ago I had a beard, had to shave it off because I got a nasty rash all over my face... so many people told me I looked better without it, ironically the only exception was my wife... she still has a pop occasionally even now telling me I should grow it back...

She's been "starting a business" now for 6 years, she has made very little in that time, although she did make enough money to buy herself a new car and spend over £1000 on a new kiln. But her ideas never seem to last long, it's too much like hard work for her. She has a 16yo son from a previous relationship who doesn't even try to conceal his contempt for me... if only there was any spare cash left over, rest assured I would salt some away, as it is it's all I can do to eke the money out till the end of the month some months.
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