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Need help figuring some things out

Started by Proufaerie, August 28, 2016, 07:10:49 PM

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Proufaerie

Hi, I'm new here; joined to ask some questions because there isn't really anybody I could talk to about this in my life at the moment.

I'm 16 years old, designated female at birth, and I'm definitely sure I'm somewhere in the trans/nb spectrum, but I'm not sure whether I'm a trans boy or not.

From what I know, most(?) trans people sort of knew early in their life that they were different, but I felt pretty comfortable with my assigned gender for the most part. I participated in mostly "feminine" hobbies like playing with dolls, liking fashion and makeup, all that jazz. I was mistaken for a boy relatively often when I was little though; I had very short hair (it took forever to grow) and I was usually pretty offended by it.

When I was around 12/13 I would sometimes think about what I would look like if I was a boy, and I would talk about it with my friends, but I never fixated on it for too long. Around last year or so, I was especially self-conscious about not being seen as "feminine" enough (mostly due to my height and lanky awkwardness), and basically stocked my closet full of dresses and wore skirts all the time. Throughout this time I became more preoccupied with thoughts of being born a boy, to the point where I was really envious of cis boys and felt uncomfortable in my body (it sometimes felt like a foreign object or something, but I have an anxiety disorder so I don't know if that might be the cause). I know the "it's just a phase" mentality is terrible, but I go through a lot of phases, so it seems plausible for this to be some more of my dumb teen stuff. I thought it would go away after awhile, because I mean, I'd lived my whole life to this point without a problem, but the feelings kept getting stronger.

Anyway, I don't know what to think. I mean, I still like dresses and skirts and other stereotypically feminine things, the discomfort I'm feeling is mostly about my body. I think my greatest wish would be to still dress and act relatively "feminine" and still be read undoubtedly as a boy. It's really funny; I used to feel so terrible about not being feminine enough, and yet now I hate that I don't look masculine enough to pass as a boy. I would prefer if people used he/him pronouns to describe me, but I don't even want to ask anyone to do that because I look so feminine they'd probably think I was being ridiculous. There is literally nothing masculine about me. Why am I even feeling so bad if I'm not uncomfortable in the gender roles that have been assigned to me?

Anyway, I'd appreciate any thoughts anyone has about this, as I'm feeling pretty lost at the moment. I also apologize if I've inadvertently broken any forum rules/etiquette/etc; I read the read through the site policies threads, but there's a possibility I could've missed something as I tend to speed read. Thanks!
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Dena

Welcome to Susan's Place. I noticed you reading the rules so I was ready for you. There is nothing wrong with your post but you are asking a question that only you can answer. It's possible you are a part of the non binary where you feel some attachment to both genders but the body dysphoria may indicate you are binary after all. To start with I am going to give you two links along with the ones you have seen already. The first is our WIKI which will show you the terms that apply to transgender. The second link is "the transition channel" which will cover more of the binary/transsexual side. Feel free to post any questions you have on this thread and we will respond to them.

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KathyLauren

Welcome!

It is possible that you could be trans.  While some people figure it out at a young age, and the news media love those stories, I doubt if those folks are in the majority.  Many of us figure it out later in life, often much later.  (I am 61, and only just starting to transition!)

It would be a good idea to seek out a gender therapist to help you figure it out.  I know that that may be difficult unless your parents are supportive.
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Proufaerie

Thank you for the welcomes + links, I will make sure to check those out :)

I'm thinking of looking for a gender therapist, and I know my mum would help me with it, but I also know she probably wouldn't believe me. Like I said, I'm very stereotypically feminine in mannerisms; part of the reason why I have no fear about posting my age and whatnot is because even if someone I knew came across this thread, they would probably never assume it was me.

I think I might ask my current therapist to recommend a gender therapist to me, give my mum some small details, then explain the rest to her when she has less stuff on her plate and I'm a little more sure of myself. I'm a little scared, however, that I could be taking away resources from people who need them more, since I don't even know what I am or if I'm making this up or not.

Unrelated, but should I post in the introductions thread? I didn't yet because this was my first priority. I'm guessing that the Things You Should Read are something that are usually given in a response to someone's introduction post, but I seem to have side-stepped that, haha.
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Dena

You are not drawing resources from others who need it more. I understand why you  waited till now to come out and many wait much longer but if you are binary, the best outcome would have been for you to enter treatment when you  first felt different. There are puberty blockers available that would have delayed your body from feminizing and would have given you time to make a decision without pressure. It's still far from to late but as we age, it requires more work to transition.

As you already have a therapist, that would be a good place to start. All therapist should have some knowledge of our treatment and should be aware of existing programs in your area.

As for introductions, that's up to you. I have never started a thread in introductions as when I joined the site my priority was voice surgery and I wasn't aware of the introduction custom for a few days.
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JoanneB

I always answer questions such as this with "If you think you are trans, you are". The real trick is figuring out where on the spectrum you are.... Today. And that you are trying to sort out. It can be a moving target wavering between cis-female and cis-male.

At the end of the day all that counts is how the dysphoria, if any, affects your life? Then what thing or things differently can you do to help manage the dysphoria? There are many things I can speculate on based on your short narrative. I'd like to point out just how powerful and insidious Shame and Guilt can be. They hide in so many different ways. They feed any internalized transphobia you may have. We all want to be normal. We especially do not want to be picked on. And ....

I doubt anyone is ever the end all and be all boy/girl growing up. Our parents and other family members place a LOT of their own (lost) hopes, wishes and dreams on their children. We are raised with a certain set of 'Expectations'. Children hardly ever want to disappoint, or worse, their parents.

Much like me you are trying to find some sort of balance between many conflicting needs and wants in your life. Like me there is ABSOLUTELY nothing feminine about this 6ft tall big boned, big everything, bald(ing) gal. OK... Only my soul and makeup skills and plenty of practice at finding what works for me. When I took on the trans-beast for real my #1 objective was to sort out how to get the male aspect of me, to live in peace and harmony with the female aspect of me. After a good 50 years of Shame, Guilt, and transphobia, I had a lot of Un-Learning to do to get there.

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AnxietyDisord3r

Put it out of your head that masculine = man. Gender expression and gender identity are two totally different things. There are some femme FTM bloggers on Youtube and I suggest you check them out. I actually found out from following them that I was less feminine than I thought I was! Ha!

Something that might help you is to know that historically, therapists classed trans people into two groups, "primary" and "secondary" transsexuals. The "secondary" transsexual doesn't realize they're trans or start experiencing gender dysphoria until puberty. So a case like yours would actually go way back in the literature. (Clinicians also used to make a lot of assertions about the sexual orientation and so on of primary and secondary transsexuals and basically all of those stereotypes turned out to be wrong.)

Feeling wrong with your body is actually the primary symptom of transsexuality, so congrats on figuring that out so young.

From how you describe yourself you sound like you are binary trans but gender non conforming. Being gender non conforming (or non binary, for that matter) do not in any way make you less in need of medical and social services! Hello! Think about what you're saying about other trans people while you are talking yourself down.

Seeing a gender therapist would be a good step for you. But I would also recommend checking out some ftm blogs and vlogs, for example you can check through the archives of The Art of Transliness to look for where they have linked videos and blogs by femme FTMs and non binary and neutrois people. Then see if anything they're saying or doing resonates with you. I would be cautious online because the online trans community can be pretty fractious and judgmental but The Art of Transliness is pretty well curated.

Just remember, it's okay to be you!

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AnxietyDisord3r

I have a video for you that you might find interesting:
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Proufaerie

That video was very helpful, thank you! ^-^

My body shape was quite androgynous and has gotten less so as I've grown (starting from maybe age 15 or so), so it makes sense to me now that I've only recently started feeling dysphoric. I haven't heard many cases where a trans person's gender expression did actually match their assigned gender, which is why I wasn't entirely sure about myself. And you're right, it's pretty hypocritical of me to say some of that stuff to myself considering I'd never say that to anyone else.

I've decided to contact a gender therapist in my area. I probably won't go on any hormones, as I'm a musician and I'm afraid of the effects it might have on my voice, but they would be able to help in other ways, yes?

Do you have any specific femme ftm youtubers that you would suggest, by the way?
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AnxietyDisord3r

Not a youtuber, but I found NotAnotherAiden's blog pretty helpful. http://notanotheraiden.com/

Chase Ross, who is a bit of an FTM youtube celebrity, is not afraid to express a more feminine side although I don't know how he would identify.  https://www.youtube.com/user/uppercaseCHASE1

There's another youtube channel that really helped me but I can't remember his name. Oops. :P
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AnxietyDisord3r

This isn't the channel I was looking for, but I liked this video:
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AnxietyDisord3r

Here's a video I had squirreled away that is right on point. A self described "non normative trans person" who plays with his gender expression.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qujKOoKMweI&feature=youtu.be
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