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Started by objectionyourhonour, September 17, 2016, 07:00:46 PM

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objectionyourhonour

I've heard a couple of stories recently about transguys getting pregnant and having biological children that way. I'm not against that at all and if it's right for them that's great, it just seems really weird to me. Like, surely getting pregnant is such a non-male thing that it would give you massive dysphoria, I don't know how these guys (who took T and had top surgery presumably to alleviate dysphoria) managed to cope with that. Personally, I would never get pregnant, the fact that I am even physically able to bothers me a bit and is something I'd like to change. I just feel like it would be the ultimate denial of my maleness and horribly dysphoria-inducing. I'm not against having kids, if I was able to father them biologically I probably would, and as it is I like the idea of being an adoptive dad (in a good few years' time of course!) I just don't understand how a trans guy could bear to get pregnant and have a baby, or why he would want to. Does anyone else share my view on this? I'm not trying to be offensive or invalidating at all, just stating my personal perspective. If I'm wrong or there's something I haven't considered, please say!
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Sir Real

The reason is going to be different for everyone. Some people don't get any dysphoria about certain parts of themselves. For others, it might simply be that the value of having a biological child outweighs their dysphoria. It's also worth mentioning that gender is on a continuum (with some ouside of it) and a peson's identity is regardless of their appearance. So some people have gone on T, had top surgery, but identify as non-binay. Perhaps someone might even feel they are both male and female, so getting pregnant might be a part of that.

The same thing goes for a person's dysphoria. They might only have chest dysphoria. Someone else might have dysporia about voice, hair, clothes, name. And so on. And for each of these things, someone's personal level of distress experienced is going to differ from person to person.

So basically it just boils down to us all being different, having our own unique experiences and desires.





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Kylo

I have no opinion on it if other people do it. If they want to, more power to them.

I myself cannot do it. It is literally a nightmare scenario to me for reasons I don't fully understand myself. To me it is a horrifying relinquishment of bodily autonomy, allowing a lump of cells to implant themselves inside you and feed from your tissues, rendering you partially unable to function the way you normally would. You could not easily defend yourself or run away and would probably depend on other people throughout. There is usually morning sickness and hormonal depression afterward. And then there is the birth itself...

Too much body horror for my mind to deal with. I knew as a child and I know it just the same right now that I will never choose to experience this.
"If the freedom of speech is taken away, then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter."
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WolfNightV4X1

Why not ask them? I saw an interview of a trans couple, the dude said he did get dysphoria because it was weird, but them having a family was pleasant and rewarding as an experience.

As for me, same deal on the "Nope" train. I will never bear children it is just so disturbing to me regardless of gender.


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TransAm

Quote from: T.K.G.W. on September 17, 2016, 08:57:47 PM
I have no opinion on it if other people do it. If they want to, more power to them.

I myself cannot do it. It is literally a nightmare scenario to me for reasons I don't fully understand myself. To me it is a horrifying relinquishment of bodily autonomy, allowing a lump of cells to implant themselves inside you and feed from your tissues, rendering you partially unable to function the way you normally would. You could not easily defend yourself or run away and would probably depend on other people throughout. There is usually morning sickness and hormonal depression afterward. And then there is the birth itself...

Too much body horror for my mind to deal with. I knew as a child and I know it just the same right now that I will never choose to experience this.

^ I second that entirely.
People (namely a particular great aunt) always used to give me the whole "oh you'll understand soon, change your mind and have so many babies!" spiel. It made me physically ill.

Honestly, though? I give props to the dudes that can go through it. All the explaining, hand-holding and "just because I did it doesn't mean I'm not a man" conversations that ensure before/during/after the event would get old extremely fast.
My backstory is very black and white/plain/linear and people still have a somewhat difficult time understanding my situation. After having grown up telling everyone I was a boy, I shunned most everything 'female' and made zero attempts to appear feminine well into young adulthood unless outright forced... and then I transitioned and became a boring straight white guy. The lines between point A and point B couldn't have been clearer.
It's certainly boring enough that I can at least get, "I guess I can see it" comments from the uneasy.
You know what else I get? A surprising amount of personal messages regarding anything that remotely deviates from that boring line. "SEE, THIS IS WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND, WHY DID THEY GET PREGNANT IF THEY WANT TO BE A MAN YOU SHOULD KNOW TELL ME?"
It's -impossible- to explain to someone already skittish and equally impossible to make them understand that I'm not the 'transplainer' because I happen to be the 1 of xxxxxx they know.

Anyway... yeah. Lots of credit to the bros living life and doing what they feel is right for them, regardless of the uphill climb. This process definitely isn't a OSFA scenario.
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xchrisx

For as long as I can remember I've had a n ENORMOUS fear of getting pregnant.
Turns out that fear has got a name: Tokophobia.
When I was having PIV sex, I would use as many forms of birth control as physically possible haha (short of the Pill; I was put on it for endometriosis / having a full on period every 2 weeks; the pill made me feel like I had PMS every single day, bleh).

BUT that has nothing to do with my being trans--just some background info on me.

I think it does boil down, as a previous post points out, to dysphoria: we're not all dysphoric about the same things.
However, I do think being trans is "hard enough" without being a pregnant trans man--Unfortunately I the mainstream (I'll just say mainstream America, since my experience is in the US) isn't ready for that and I'd be afraid for that person / family.

Granted, I tend toward living in a Trans / Queer commune, in which case, hell yeah go for it ;)

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FTMax

Quote from: objectionyourhonour on September 17, 2016, 07:00:46 PM
I'm not against that at all and if it's right for them that's great, it just seems really weird to me...I just don't understand how a trans guy could bear to get pregnant and have a baby, or why he would want to. Does anyone else share my view on this? I'm not trying to be offensive or invalidating at all, just stating my personal perspective. If I'm wrong or there's something I haven't considered, please say!

Your view on it from the outside looking in doesn't matter. You don't need to understand someone's motivations to do something in order to accept that it's something they felt was right for them. If it's not right for you, it's not right for you. Asking people to explain or justify their decisions relative to their own bodies and health - we get enough of that from people outside this community; we don't need it from within.

And before anyone starts, this is coming from someone who feels exactly the same way that you do. I would just never be so presumptuous as to think that my opinion or need to understand matters when it comes to someone else's bodily autonomy.
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Kylo

What interests me most about this topic is trying to figure out why many trans men feel the way they do about it.

Or - conversely - why most women feel the way they do about it, since the majority of women in the world do choose to have children. Although I've never much understood the reasons I heard.

In my case I appear to have zero reproductive instincts. They're just not there, even before I might think about the process and the apparent ultimately rewarding experience of raising children by most people's accounts. In this day and age where most people in the 1st world can choose whether or not to have kids, there's still something inside of most people that agrees with the idea or finds something satisfying enough about it to go ahead and become a parent. And everyone I know of my age or younger already has kids. But me - something has always been there inside of me from day one that said "NO." Not just to the idea of pregnancy but to the idea of creating life in general.

Perhaps it's a perspective afforded by my predicament. Parents cannot know the implications of the life they are going to create, or whether or not that life can ever be happy. In my case, it will never be normal, and so perhaps I will never know what "happy" really is. That's not a responsibility I'm willing to shoulder because of the ideal I might have in mind about my own child before it was born. My child could turn out to suffer the way I do as well... the fact I could never guarantee this child's happiness outweighs the desire to create, in my case. It feels - to me - immoral to create a person on my own whim. I know this is how nature works and I have no issue with anybody else doing it. But I'm a different case.

But as for the pregnancy thing - the idea of it - it's not even the association of femininity that bothers me about it. To a lesser degree the dysphoria of menstruation comes from the fact you feel out of control of these bodily functions. It seems like a lesser form of pregnancy with pain, illness, fluids, discomfort, mental ups and downs... and you don't ask for any of that. As a kid I saw this as ridiculous. Why on earth should I be at the mercy of this sort of thing, especially given my complete disregard for wanting to reproduce. Of course we're not in control of most body functions, but few of them are as intrusive and conspicuous as that. I was so irritated by this lack of control that I took steps to eliminate the periods completely and that took away the bothered feeling and restored the sense of control. Pregnancy dials lack of control up to 11 though. There's also the fact pregnancy is a more dangerous physical state to be in. Medical science has come a long way but there's always that sense that the child inside you could actually kill you if something goes wrong near the end of term and you don't have access to modern medical facilities. I've heard all kinds of stories about births and I get the general idea that by that point the mother just wants the baby out so much she barely notices the lack of privacy and all the embarrassing things that can happen during labor.

It just sounds like an all-round ordeal, and then of course after the birth the most exhaustive phase of child rearing begins immediately.

But I've still never quite figured out why I'm literally afraid of it.

I wonder, knowing what I know now, and seeing so many women talk about it as if it's as natural as anything and certainly not being afraid of it, if it's not that the male-structured brain of some people can be repelled by that which it is not made to know. If anyone's ever read the book Dune, there's a passage in there that kind of stuck out to me when I read it as a kid - it talks about how those gifted to see into the past and the future can only do so within the bounds of their own gender. Men can't see into the long-term genetic memories of women and women cannot see into those of men. And what they can't see there terrifies them. A bit dramatic perhaps, but I found it to feel relevant to the topic when I'd been thinking of it in the past. I may - perhaps - have normal XX chromosomes (I don't know for sure because I've never seen my own), but for some reason I cannot feel or empathize with the general motivations of women at all. There's a big blank space where things like pregnancy are, and all I can do is walk around it.

"If the freedom of speech is taken away, then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter."
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FTMDiaries

We're all entitled to our personal views on whether or not to have children. If some of the guys here decide that having children is something they wouldn't be comfortable with, then more power to them and I support them 100% in that. But quite a few of us here have given birth (I have - twice - and I'd do it again in a heartbeat) and plenty of others are willing to do so, and it's not great for us to keep hearing that trans guys who get pregnant are 'weird' or 'not trans enough' or that it somehow invalidates our masculinity. We all get knocked down enough by society in general: we don't need to do the same thing to each other.

The core issue here is this: we are indoctrinated from a very early age that certain things are for women and other things are for men. We're all taught that a manly man only does manly things, and a womanly woman only does womanly things. We're told that the most womanly thing a woman can do is to become a mother... and all of us have picked up on that message, haven't we? That's gender stereotyping, and those rules are constantly reinforced throughout our lives, mostly by people who have bought into the gender binary and therefore have a vested interest in reinforcing it.

I stay that's all a load of nonsense.

There is nothing about carrying a baby that makes you feel female. I should know: just as many trans women try doing hyper-masculine things like joining the military in a vain attempt to get comfortable with the gender they were assigned at birth, so I tried the whole marriage-and-childbirth thing to see whether that would make me feel more comfortable with being female.

It didn't.

In fact, the reverse happened: as I spent more time with women in ante-natal classes, or in the maternity suite, or settled into the role of 'mum' (which is almost fetishised here in the UK - it's really quite weird) I found myself feeling more & more detached from all of that. The more I tried my hardest to fit into a female role, the more I realised that even this most stereotypically 'female' of things did not magically turn me into a woman - and if becoming a mother can't do it, then nothing can. So far from invalidating my masculinity, I found to my surprise that becoming a mother actually reinforced it. I felt like a very well disguised undercover spy infiltrating enemy territory.

I coped with my pregnancies by seeing them as a means to an end. I was just using a bunch of organs to do a job for me. Just like my kidneys produce urine or my heart pumps blood around my body - so too does my uterus produce babies. It's just an organ doing a job, not a magical female transmogrifier. NBD.





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Mitternacht

personally I don't know how they do it because pregnancy is absolutely terrifying. If I'm going to be completely honest here, a few months ago I actually did get pregnant(while on pills) from my partner at the time. and I was in so much denial at first I didn't even take a test until it got to the point where I was up puking every day at 5 am. Took the test, completely freaked out, and scared my ex almost to death. literally a nightmare come true for me, as i'm sure many of you would feel as well. I ended up getting an abortion few days after I found out at a Trans-friendly clinic. and I thought the being pregnant was a nightmare. That had to dope me up so much for that horrible thing and I still have nightmares about it to this day. So trans dudes out there- unless you want to bear a child and are fully ready for that- be careful! for your own sake.
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arice

Quote from: FTMDiaries on September 19, 2016, 10:32:48 AM
We're all entitled to our personal views on whether or not to have children. If some of the guys here decide that having children is something they wouldn't be comfortable with, then more power to them and I support them 100% in that. But quite a few of us here have given birth (I have - twice - and I'd do it again in a heartbeat) and plenty of others are willing to do so, and it's not great for us to keep hearing that trans guys who get pregnant are 'weird' or 'not trans enough' or that it somehow invalidates our masculinity. We all get knocked down enough by society in general: we don't need to do the same thing to each other.

The core issue here is this: we are indoctrinated from a very early age that certain things are for women and other things are for men. We're all taught that a manly man only does manly things, and a womanly woman only does womanly things. We're told that the most womanly thing a woman can do is to become a mother... and all of us have picked up on that message, haven't we? That's gender stereotyping, and those rules are constantly reinforced throughout our lives, mostly by people who have bought into the gender binary and therefore have a vested interest in reinforcing it.

I stay that's all a load of nonsense.

There is nothing about carrying a baby that makes you feel female. I should know: just as many trans women try doing hyper-masculine things like joining the military in a vain attempt to get comfortable with the gender they were assigned at birth, so I tried the whole marriage-and-childbirth thing to see whether that would make me feel more comfortable with being female.

It didn't.

In fact, the reverse happened: as I spent more time with women in ante-natal classes, or in the maternity suite, or settled into the role of 'mum' (which is almost fetishised here in the UK - it's really quite weird) I found myself feeling more & more detached from all of that. The more I tried my hardest to fit into a female role, the more I realised that even this most stereotypically 'female' of things did not magically turn me into a woman - and if becoming a mother can't do it, then nothing can. So far from invalidating my masculinity, I found to my surprise that becoming a mother actually reinforced it. I felt like a very well disguised undercover spy infiltrating enemy territory.

I coped with my pregnancies by seeing them as a means to an end. I was just using a bunch of organs to do a job for me. Just like my kidneys produce urine or my heart pumps blood around my body - so too does my uterus produce babies. It's just an organ doing a job, not a magical female transmogrifier. NBD.
This. Exactly.
Neither of my pregnancies turned me into a woman but parenting reinforced my understanding that I am not. I never considered myself a "pregnant woman" (in the sense that gets glorified)... but a baby factory. When I suffered serious complications in my second pregnancy, I decided the baby factory was closed otherwise, I might have chosen to do it again.

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Kylo

Quote from: Mitternacht on September 21, 2016, 12:59:14 AM
personally I don't know how they do it because pregnancy is absolutely terrifying. If I'm going to be completely honest here, a few months ago I actually did get pregnant(while on pills) from my partner at the time. and I was in so much denial at first I didn't even take a test until it got to the point where I was up puking every day at 5 am. Took the test, completely freaked out, and scared my ex almost to death. literally a nightmare come true for me, as i'm sure many of you would feel as well. I ended up getting an abortion few days after I found out at a Trans-friendly clinic. and I thought the being pregnant was a nightmare. That had to dope me up so much for that horrible thing and I still have nightmares about it to this day. So trans dudes out there- unless you want to bear a child and are fully ready for that- be careful! for your own sake.

Agreed. Although in my experience the so-called most reliable forms of contraception can still fail spectacularly. It was also a nightmare for me. I was seriously considering ways to harm/kill myself or induce rejection rather than go forward. It really was a state of abject fear and breakdown, never repeated since so localized around that particular experience and state, and in my view/case not something that would have bode well for myself/the kid's health, or parenthood. It had to be dealt with for my own sanity. I also had no idea this was how I was going to react if this situation ever arose. Like most phobias, you don't really realize just how serious they are until confronted with them.
"If the freedom of speech is taken away, then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter."
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AnxietyDisord3r

Quote from: objectionyourhonour on September 17, 2016, 07:00:46 PM
I've heard a couple of stories recently about transguys getting pregnant and having biological children that way. I'm not against that at all and if it's right for them that's great, it just seems really weird to me. Like, surely getting pregnant is such a non-male thing that it would give you massive dysphoria, I don't know how these guys (who took T and had top surgery presumably to alleviate dysphoria) managed to cope with that. Personally, I would never get pregnant, the fact that I am even physically able to bothers me a bit and is something I'd like to change. I just feel like it would be the ultimate denial of my maleness and horribly dysphoria-inducing. I'm not against having kids, if I was able to father them biologically I probably would, and as it is I like the idea of being an adoptive dad (in a good few years' time of course!) I just don't understand how a trans guy could bear to get pregnant and have a baby, or why he would want to. Does anyone else share my view on this? I'm not trying to be offensive or invalidating at all, just stating my personal perspective. If I'm wrong or there's something I haven't considered, please say!

They did a TV special on a couple who were both trans. They were looking at GCS but decided they really wanted kids and so decided to have natural children. The husband said those two years bearing their children were the hardest years of his life. He didn't say the word 'dysphoria' but he talked about not ever wanting to leave the house being visibly pregnant.

Also, don't forget, a lot of trans men have kids before they come out. Sometimes it's during a phase of trying to be more feminine to make the trans feelings go away (doesn't work). (A lot of gay people have kids with hetero partners before they come out too.)
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AnxietyDisord3r

Quote from: xchrisx on September 18, 2016, 07:13:39 AM
For as long as I can remember I've had a n ENORMOUS fear of getting pregnant.
Turns out that fear has got a name: Tokophobia.
When I was having PIV sex, I would use as many forms of birth control as physically possible haha (short of the Pill; I was put on it for endometriosis / having a full on period every 2 weeks; the pill made me feel like I had PMS every single day, bleh).

Ha, the pill made me sick too, except it was more like morning sickness. Certain foods started to nauseate me and pretty soon there were less and less things I could eat. Plus I was depressed every day and just felt unwell. And it was a "low dose" pill! (It was Yasmin, there have been lawsuits about that one because apparently it has life threatening side effects too.)

Before I took it I was pretty sure I shouldn't be taking The Pill but I was desperate to do something about my acne. Afterwards? I told the doctor I'd take the acne.
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AnxietyDisord3r

Quote from: FTMDiaries on September 19, 2016, 10:32:48 AM
I felt like a very well disguised undercover spy infiltrating enemy territory.

I know, right? Not to knock on women, and they're not the enemy, but it's this weird feeling of being invited where you know a man shouldn't be, hearing things you weren't meant to hear, feeling detached because you don't feel this underlying sympa feeling to them because they are just different in a way you struggle to explain.

I found out a lot about hystos that way, ha!
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