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has transsexuality driven anyone insane?

Started by rottingteeth, October 31, 2007, 12:50:23 PM

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rottingteeth

I should know this, I've read several books...but I don't know.
of course it drives people crazy. but how much should it? I'm sure it completely depends on each individual case.

I just feel like I'm starting to go crazy. and I don't know if it's because I'm a transsexual or if it's something else, and that's what I'm trying to find out, why I made this thread.

I wonder if my transsexuality was caused by something in my childhood, something I've repressed. how would I know? it (assuming there is something) is repressed. if I really have repressed something, it has to be pretty messed up because I don't remember it at all and I'm damn sure I'm a guy. that means if there is something, it has to be seriously messed up, and I'm afraid to remember it.
I've been thinking about my childhood a lot lately, remembering more and more, and it's scary and feels horrible but I haven't remembered anything significant and I don't think I will. I had a good childhood, nothing bad happened to me to my or any close relative's knowledge. I have no idea why thinking about my childhood creeps me out.

what I'm thinking is, maybe the thing I've repressed is being a boy. I'm looking for something that would cause a little girl to wish she was a boy, but maybe what I've been repressing all along is the little boy, and that is what is making me miserable, and that's why I don't like thinking about my childhood.

I don't feel like my transsexuality is real, or genuine, or I don't act like it. but I think that is just because of how others make me feel. they don't believe me, so I think they must be right. I don't know what I should do. I don't know if this is really causing me problems. maybe repressing myself is confusing/depressing me and I haven't realized it. only a few people know about me, and only one has (claimed) to accept my gender, but he doesn't act like it or use the right pronouns when we're around other people.

do you think I just need to be seen? that repressing my gender is causing me too much stress?

and do I have a right to say something? I mean, is gender a privilege or a right? I would think it's a right...but trying to claim it, at least in this time, causes problems. I know it was worse before and it's getting much better. but, considering that, should I suck it up and wait until I have enough money to move and start transition, or should I say I'm a guy, get over it?

I don't know what I should do. I honestly don't, I just want to do whatever is the most selfless, whatever hurts the least amount of people, even if it's hard to endure. the thing is, if I tell everyone in my family and all the people around me that I'm male, and ask to be referred to as such, it will cause problems and hurt people. but if I don't, maybe it's really hurting me, and if I'm suffering mentally it could end up hurting even more people.

I feel stupid asking all this. but no one around me, no one I've talked to, knows anything about transsexuality. I'm lost and confused. I wonder if what I have is real or if I made it up, and if I made it up, WHY. I think, often...about being a man. and at first I'm happy and I love the idea. then the more I think about it, it starts to feel strange. but THEN, I think about being a woman and it makes me gag. so then I'm confused.

thanks for reading and I'm sorry for rambling.



watch the language, please - Nero
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Melissa-kitty

I think that a good step for you would be to find a therapist experienced in gender matters to talk things over with. Things will start to become clearer, you'll become calmer. This site has a list of therapists. Also, WPATH.org has a list.
It will get better. Most of us have gone through this state of confusion.
It will get better.
Peace, Tara
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Kate

I agree with Tara: a therapist can give you a safe environment - and a source of stability - to explore all these things. It's a bit like exploring some deep, scary cave... it helps to have someone trusted on the outside holding the rope for you, who can yank you back if you get in trouble down there.

You're asking the same questions most of us ask. Very, very difficult questions. I tortured myself with them too. Eventually though, I wore myself out trying to answer them. Whatever answers I came up with, I'd STILL be sitting there, hurting terribly. Is it real? Am I really a girl? Am I delusional? Did my my mother drop me on my head? Answer them any way you wish, but the GID remains.

As for insanity, I was literally losing my mind. I don't mean that as a descriptive cliche, I mean I was actually becoming insane, self-contained, lost in my head... falling deeper and deeper into a dark hole of compensations and distractions. A personality shattering by stretching itself too thin, trying to find a way out of an impossible prison.

THAT scared me. I *saw* what was happening one day, how deep the cracks in sanity had become, and got truly, deeply frightened. I fought back, stopped compensating, stopped Putting It Off, looked into all those places I'd been avoiding...

And when I came together again, I found I WAS the answer. And the question. People wonder how transitioning isn't a choice? It's because in becoming whole again, I found that the questions AND answers vanished, became irrelevant. I am what I am.

You can't answer "who are you?" You can LIVE it though. BE it. In the end, and a big IMHO on this, I think the answers are always staring us right in the face. We just ask questions to avoid seeing them because we're not ready face the consequences of what we already know.

~Kate~
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Wing Walker

Tara has the best idea.  See a therapist.

Wing Walker
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Lisbeth

Transsexuality does not drive you insane, but not dealing with transsexuality can.  Go see a therapist.
"Anyone who attempts to play the 'real transsexual' card should be summarily dismissed, as they are merely engaging in name calling rather than serious debate."
--Julia Serano

http://juliaserano.blogspot.com/2011/09/transsexual-versus-transgender.html
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Jaynatopia

I think being confined in the wrong body can be detrimental to mental health. I do not see transsexuality itself as a mental illness though. Agreeing with everyone else here, therapy will help sort things out.
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Berliegh

has transsexuality driven anyone insane?

I think it could and has.......especially if you try and transition through the NHS U.K London GIC system.....
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Shana A

No, but living as a transperson in a transphobic world can certainly drive one crazy  :(

zythyra
"Be yourself; everyone else is already taken." Oscar Wilde


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gothique11

Actually, I'm more sane than I've ever been before. Although, i was certified insane before. I actually spent a year in a mental institution before. Yay, craziness!

So, yeah, not transitioning made me pretty insane. Really insane. Really depressed. I actually died for about two minutes when I tried to kill myself, but then I was brought back to life by the doctors, and then put into an institution for a while. Yayness!

But, now that I'm being who I am I'm very stable. I see a psychiatrist constantly, and they've monitored me a lot through the process. I've had to make sure that this is the right direction for me, and they had to triple check me to make sure that I know that it's right for me. I've gone through more therapy regarding my trans issues that anyone else I know.

Since starting full time, life has been great. I'm not depressed like I was. I'm not manic like I was. I still got the bipolar, but it's very mild compared to what it used to be. I might be a bit weird and have a weird sense of humour, but it's not insaneness. The doctors wouldn't  of given me SRS letters if they thought I was insane. Both are from a psychiatrist, the highest you can go.

I have known people, however, who have gone insane after transitioning. It's weird, the go insane and I go sane.


--natalie


Posted on: November 02, 2007, 09:43:43 PM
I don't want to scare people that they "might" go insane -- the people I've seen go nuts were people usually had a lot of life issues that they didn't resolve. People who work on their issues, on their own or with a therapist, generally transition more smoothly and are less prone to trans-regret. The people I've known who've gone nuts-o didn't see therapists, had a lot of problems outside of just transitioning, and realized that transitioning wasn't going to fix everything in there life... there problems would still be there even after surgery.

Some people also focus so much on transitioning that that's all the talk about day-to-day. It's there main focus in life. It's there identity. These are the people you know nothing about other than there trans issues. Then they go get surgery, experience a high for a while, and then all of a sudden a low and a "now what feeling."

Now, there's nothing wrong talking about transitioning or trans issues. Especially when one is starting out, they want to know everything. There's a difference between taking about issues and concerns and learning about your condition, verses being obsessed about it every waking moment. Life is more than transitioning and surgery. Yes, those two things are important and part of the transsexual experience, but it's not your entire life and your identity.

Personally, I've been working hard on many of my issues. I worked on my issues before I even touched HRT or went full-time. I worked hard at making sure that transitioning and surgery was right for me. As I'm approaching surgery I've been doing a lot of self-reflecting, and making sure that this is something I want. It's a major surgery that shouldn't be taken lightly. Besides searching myself, I look at the complications and the risks -- I ask my self if I had one of those how would I feel and how I would handle it. I hope, and expect, that I won't have those complications, but there is always a chance. I've also gone over what few regret stories I could find on the internet, studying them and seeing why some people might go through all of this and then regret it.

There is one girl that I know who was in transition for a while. She's one of the first people I've met in person. It was very sad to see what she went through, not listening to people, and not taking care of her other life issues... instead, they were on the back burner. And, sorry to say, she also started taking drugs, lost her children, took more drugs, failed the drug tests, but she also failed to clean up her act. She kept playing the trans discrimination card, when her issues had nothing to do with it. She went into surgery believing that somehow everything would be fixed, and some how once it was done and over things would work out magically.

After her surgery, she felt a high. But that didn't last long. All of the issues she put off were still there, staring her in her face. She vanished for a while, but called me a while ago. I couldn't understand a word she was saying. She was on drugs again, depressed, and I wasn't sure what she was talking about. It was a very sad phone call. I didn't know where she called from. Nothing I could do could save her. The police couldn't even find her (which apparently she's running away from for some reason, apparently, but I don't know what from).

I don't know if she's still alive.

In a way I'm glad that I experienced that, but at the same time I feel very sad for her. She's a good person who had a messed up life. There was nothing I could do.

It was a very sad case to witness. It was very emotional. At the end it I couldn't feel anything, I was drained. I knew nothing I could say or do could save her. It was a harsh reality to witness.

I only hope that if she's okay. I know she's not healthy. She didn't take care of her self after transition. I know she went back and forth to the hospital with major infections and problems. A lesson that taking care of yourself afterwards is very important, so very important.

As for successful transitions, I have several friends that are post-op. One friend is post up five years. She's successful, owns her own salon now, and enjoys her life. She worked hard to be where she is now. She worked out her issues and realized that getting a vagina doesn't fix everything (but yes, it helps you to feel more comfortable with yourself). Other post-ops I know are great people, who are happy, and do not regret there transition.

I'm also very glad that I've seen success cases. And, in fact, more than one success case. These are my friends. People I know. Wonderful genuine friends.

In these examples I've learned a lot. I've learned through others mistakes, others successes, and my own journey (I have my fair share of goof-ups ad well as successes, everyone does).

Seeing real life trans-regret and trans-success was a poignant lesson for me. Burned into my memory, there to learn from.

My last post had my weird humour in it, but this one is serious. No, taking HRT or transitioning isn't going to make you crazy -- the only one that makes one crazy is herself/himself by not listening to the wisdom and examples of those who have gone before us. People sometimes transition for the wrong reasons. Some people transition lightly, not realizing it's not a merry-go-round, but a rough roller coaster ride.

Being a woman isn't fun. It's a lot of work. It's a different world. Your life isn't going to be easier if you are a woman; your problems and internal issues aren't going to vanish. People aren't always going to respect you as a woman, or even call you a woman. People can be mean.

And yes, there are good things about a woman's world, but honestly, getting a door held open for you shouldn't be the reason you transition.

Being a woman is who I am. That's why I transitioned. I tried other options before, many options, including a successful suicide (I died on the table for about two mins before I was brought back). When I came back I realized that maybe there was a purpose to everything, and avoiding the issue wasn't going to solve anything, but only lead me into the grave.

I've been living full-time for over a year, and I'll have to say that I'm a much happier person. Sure, I have my up and down days. Sure, things aren't always easy, but sometimes things are great. It's life. For the first time in my life I feel normal. SRS is important to me but not taking lightly. I know the reality of it, what it will do for me and what it will not, as well as the after care and pain I can expect.

As a woman my scariest moment was three months into being full-time and hormones. I was working a grave yard shift at a convenience store, and I went to throw out the trash like we normally do at night. But as I got our there a man pinned me against the wall, his dirty hands rushing all over me, the smell of alchol on his breath as he slurred and tried to clumblsy undo his belt. I felt frozen. This is something I've never had to worry about or think about before. I was lucky that I had enough strength back then to push him away and escape back in the store.

My co-employee thought it was funny because I'm a trans girl. He laughed for an hour that night, called his friends, and told customers as I cried in the back room. I never felt so scared. I never felt so violated. Welcome to womanhood.

My manager who came in that morning suggested that maybe if I just didn't look like a "girl" I wouldn't be attacked like that. I was wearing work clothes, I had very conservative make up on. I wasn't asking to be raped. And certainly, I didn't deserve that because I'm a "woman" and on top of that, "a transsexual woman." I was astonished that someone would say that... that I was asking for it.

And that's the reality of that.

My most memorable and happy moment as being a woman was when I marched in Take Back the Night. That night meant a lot to me because I've experienced violence against woman first hand -- I was a victim of it. The sisterhood I felt that night was something I never felt before. I was home. I connected with other woman on a level that I don't think I could have before. I knew what it was like to be a woman -- I was a woman. I don't even know how to explain it in words. I cried that night, too, but with tears of joy and a sense of connection.

Being a woman is something that runs deeper than make-up, genitals, voice, actions and attitude. It's who you are, and you connect with other woman in a way that is a sense of understanding. It was a beautiful moment for me, and a deep moment as well. Before and after the march we listed to stories about violence against woman, the tears and pain, but also the determination not to be beaten down. We, as woman, would stand up. I looked around and realize that where I have been many of my sisters have also been. I finally understood, I finally connected, I finally knew that yes, I'm a woman and no one can take that away from me. This is who I am, and I'm proud of that.


Anyway, sorry for the long post. It's late, so I hope that made sense. It's a little more serious than I usually write, but sometimes writing serious things is okay.


--natalie

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RebeccaFog

         The therapist is a good idea.  Finding a local support group would be helpful too.  You are at the beginning of a learning process.

        You have doubts that are preventing you from taking action.  This is what did Hamlet in.  Doubts may be good in making a decision, but they can also keep you from going forward.

        If going the whole way is causing you so much anxiety, you can try going to a middle place.  Maybe you can blend some of your male aspects into the person you now present yourself as and see how that feels.  It's not an irreversible thing.  I'm just talking about a hair style, maybe some male clothing and stuff like that.

        Also, when you suffer from so much anxiety, it is good to find a way to shed it.  Exercise is good.  Find an interest that will help to take your mind off of what is worrying you.  I'm not kidding.  Things like video games, bowling, hiking, or some kind of study or sport will help you to remember that there are many aspects to your life.
         I'm not suggesting you try to forget who you are, or to put it to the side. I'm saying that you want to avoid the trap of becoming obsessed and of holding onto your anxieties.

       You will find your way.  Therapy, studying Transgender culture and other people's personal stories, and remaining true to your personal vision of who you are will all get you there.  It won't happen overnight, but that is okay.  Time is your friend. You will need time to get to where you ought to be.

       I truly believe that studying Transgender issues, culture and history are very important to us.  We are brought up knowing nothing. We have no history and few, if any role models.  Most people know of no role models at all.  At least, these days, we have a couple of famous people who have transitioned and we have some who have been through the struggle and who have recorded their experiences.

      And, remember, the most important thing you can do is to take care of yourself.  You want to remain strong for your journey.


Love,

Rebis
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LostInTime

I was crazy before and am still. All that the therapists are concerned with is that it is a safe form of crazy.

Stop putting so much stock in what others may think of you and live life to the fullest. Best bet is to find a good therapist to chat with and go from there.
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Lori

I'm of sound mind and body I think.....yet an insane person doesnt know they are insane do they?
Being transsexual is an insane thing to many, but to the person inflicted, it would seem logic gets overruled making the person think they are insane.

What I mean by that is personally I went insane trying to figure out how to stop and control something that ruled my mind. No matter what I tried to justify, think about, or accept as a logical thought process, those thoughts of being a woman just got stronger and stronger until I finally caved in and listened to them. If that makes me insane, then well..I'm totally insane.

Fighting it can make you insane. Giving into it and just going with the flow may seem insane, but mentally it made me less insane because now I can live without thinking about how to stop it. Now I feel like I'm going insane in another way, worried as I change physically about what others are thinking.

The main reason it seemed insane to me is because its not logical. There is no solution or reasoning behind it. There is nothing that can be pointed to that says, "thats why this is happening". Its a battle of wits, and you lose with the thinking part of your mind and you win within another part of your own mind. Somebody that doesnt have GID would never understand that and would read what I just typed and think "this chick is insane".

Fighting it will drive you insane. If you truly have GID, the only thing you can do is just give into it and stop that insanity. I think the damage was done with me anyhow..I'll probably be insane either way, just less insane as Lori.


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annajasmine

#13
For me I made decision about  8 years ago to Ignore my gender issues. I was sure of what I am but I thought I would stay a guy for my family. The years that followed were horrible I gain 150 pounds in weight, started doing more destructive things to my body parts, and had gun to my head several times. Just let you know I don't believe you can live your life for anybody else. The very first time confront this issue this was 13 years ago try blame it anything from a fetish, I'm just cd(at the time I thought it was lesser issue from a lack of knowledge for those cross dresser don't mean to lessen issues with your situation), maybe I'm gay, and finally blame it on childhood issues. Anything but a transsexual which I had skewed image from talk shows. Thankfully for the Internet I got better image and understanding of this condition. I would recommend going to therapist and do what Rebis said by exploring your masculinity through clothes and hair styles. Just be honest with yourself.


Take care,
Anna
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Rachael

can transsexuality drive you insane?
if you dont actually do something about the root feelings, yes.
no sane person kills themself...
R :police:
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