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Feeling very discouraged.

Started by Alexagon, October 05, 2016, 03:35:05 AM

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Alexagon

I feel like I'm alone on this, but whenever I see a successful passing trans woman I feel like I'll never get to that point. Some of them have such a perfect voice and face that you could never guess they were trans. How the hell do they do that? It makes me feel like my transness is less than theirs. Idk.

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LizK

Quote from: Alexagon on October 05, 2016, 03:35:05 AM
I feel like I'm alone on this, but whenever I see a successful passing trans woman I feel like I'll never get to that point. Some of them have such a perfect voice and face that you could never guess they were trans. How the hell do they do that? It makes me feel like my transness is less than theirs. Idk.

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Don't feel alone, I know how you feel and so do many others here...the thought of not passing can really get inside your brain and totally suck

Many here have real issues with self image and passing. But I guess it depends on what passing means to you? There are many things that can potentially out you. My limited experience tells me that most people really don't care and most people are tolerant and polite regardless of whether you pass or not. There is always going to be an exception to the rule..but on the whole most people are OK.

Liz
Transition Begun 25 September 2015
HRT since 17 May 2016,
Fulltime from 8 March 2017,
GCS 4 December 2018
Voice Surgery 01 February 2019
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Cindy

May I suggest that it is a combination of practice, practice, practice and practice!

As my hairdresser told me when I started my journey "13 year old girls go into their bedrooms and practice makeup and hair, then they reappear at 18 and know it all!"

How many hours have you sat in front of a mirror and practiced your makeup?

How many hours have you used a voice recorder to practice your voice?

It does work, it really does or so I'm told. I just act as me and don't worry about it.
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Ashley3

Every so often I'll catch myself doing something wrong, voice or something. I have to stay on top of myself about it. On day I realized that is no different than a mother staying on top of her daughter because she is being rude, or her posture isn't right or the like... this has galvanized me to really try to correct myself if I catch something.

I guess I have to sometimes be myself as well as my own parent. For me it can be tough but I don't currently see any other path, and I'm finding ways to enjoy it. Not all the time, but enough. 

I assume I generally don't pass but occasionally I get ma'am'ed or miss'ed or the like, other times not so much. My voice is the biggie but not the only thing. I can say for myself a lot of this is perseverance with practice.

One last thing... a trans woman whom I know, whom I didn't know was trans until she let me know, said something in passing one day... she said something to the effect of "don't assume you don't pass." And that is wisdom... I try to avoid judging others based on inconclusive data. It's not perfect... I still fall into that mode sometimes but I am working on avoiding it. So currently I try to be realistic and make mental notes when things aren't working so I can try to improve, but I try not to get bogged down in the moment.
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stephaniec

I know I have a very simplistic attitude and probably only applies to me, but the most beautiful dream I ever had in my life was a dream where I had on this sexy black dress and was at work walking around the office and everyone kept giving me the thumbs up. It can happen.
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jentay1367

QuoteBut I guess it depends on what passing means to you?

Passing is passing, you either do or you don't. I hate to see people urged on with "cheer leading" when they are in fact just being pandered to. Passing seems to be something more than merely looks. There's some homely, masculine women out there but you'd never think, Hey, that's a guy". So it isn't all visuals. Mannerisms, voice, reaction, walk, conversational inflections, responses to fear, surprise, sadness....it's all a package and refined dance that is more easily adapted by some than others. Think, those that would be good actresses vs. those that couldn't possibly. Gotta "fake it till you're making it".
      But it's pretty disingenuous when I see girls telling others, "hey...you rock it!" or "just get better with
make-up" ,etc...etc......etc....when these things clearly fall short of what is necessary for the person to achieve the goal they're shooting for. It's unfair to lead someone down a path that could cause them to be deluded to the degree that they do something that will cause them humiliation or embarrassment. Unfortunately, our community is more than a bit hypersensitive, so criticism, even constructive, is rarely tolerated.
      Don't be discouraged is my advice, be honest with yourself. Assess what needs to be done,. Set a plan, chart your course, be patient and plod forward. If your trans, it's your only course and anything less is totally
counterproductive.  Your future is yours to mold and is in your hands alone.
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cheryl reeves

Guess you all never seen Bea Arther in Golden girls,or Maude,she had a voice that passed for male,or Phyllis Dyler,that had rough voices. Me I don't care if they take a double take,I'm me and I try to be the best me as I can.
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stephaniec

well, to be honest my problem is medical and as far as I know I have every right to heal myself regardless if someone doesn't like it. Yea you don't want to be murdered , but as far as I know no one on earth does. Do what you need to do to heal you are perfectly within your rights as a citizen to do that.
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