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Certain post op vaginas look strange; why is this?

Started by Even Stevens, October 10, 2016, 10:02:47 PM

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AnonyMs

What do you think of the results on Dr Bowers site?

This is about Suporn, perhaps its of interest

https://www.the-ress.net/files/SRS-With-Dr-Suporn-2015.pdf

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Jenna Marie

EvenStevens: I'm happy to answer any questions you have. No, I did not have additional surgery on the fourchette; I didn't want more surgery (that was enough for a lifetime!), and the result I have is well within the range of cis variations, which is all I cared about. As I said, if I lie on my back and spread my legs wide, the vaginal canal is not visible; the outer lips do cover it. I don't have a porn star's income or make any money off my vulva, so I have less incentive to get it to look precisely the way I want it to. ;) And as this is about 95% perfect to me...  (As an aside, I've ended up feeling the way a number of cis women do about their vulvas: it's not exactly porn-star perfect, but it's mine, and the quirks aren't worth fixing and/or are part of what makes it uniquely mine. Lots of women born with a vulva end up deciding not to have surgery to "perfect" it, too.)

I have not seen Danielle's vulva, so I really have no idea what she or other women might want, but I would venture to guess that "don't want more surgery because of risk/expense/inconvenience" is not an unreasonable explanation for why some women might choose not to have a revision. There's nothing wrong with your preferences, and you're right that the majority of cis vulvas do have a fourchette, but not everyone is going to be a perfectionist.
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Even Stevens

Quote from: AnonyMs on October 15, 2016, 11:45:03 PM
What do you think of the results on Dr Bowers site?

This is about Suporn, perhaps its of interest

https://www.the-ress.net/files/SRS-With-Dr-Suporn-2015.pdf


Hi again AnonyMs. I'm glad you responded. I had something to show too.

First, though, I'm very flattered that you want to hear my opinion on Dr. Bowers's patient's SRS results, so thank you for that! Okay, so I checked them out for you, and here's my thoughts:

Of the 21 SRS pictures she has posted on her website, my favorites were 2, 15, and 16 (15 and 16 being of the same person). In terms of the way it is constructed, the result depicted in Picture 2 looks exactly like every cis vagina I have seen, and I prefer it even over Danielle's! The vagina of the girl in Picture 2 does not appear to have a dilation hole under the lower lips of her vagina (if she did, it seems it would make her vagina have the black "U" line I have been mentioning in previous responses); it seems to be burying the dilation hole between the upper and lower lips, which is what I like!

Now onto Pictures 15 and 16: These show a result that looks unlike any other post op result (aside from how Kimber James's vagina looks in some pictures) and cis vagina I have ever seen. Basically, the vagina depicted in Pictures 15 and 16 just looks like a dilation hole (to me, at least). And though I have been saying things like "I like the vaginas that have lower lips that extend to where the dilation hole is in between both the upper and lower lips," my original preference (that might even end up being my final preference) was the way Kimber James's vagina looks in some pictures, where the vagina consists of just a dilation hole and nothing more. The concept just looks "cool" to me, lol.

And as far as the other vaginas, they are not my taste (again, my taste is for vaginas to look as cis as possible or maybe even where they just look like a hole) because they are either too hairy to give a good opinion, or too scrunched up (somehow this makes them look like they are going to pop! [The girls could just be swollen still, though.]), or too swollen, or have material in the way, or they have a hole that, while not a black "U" line, still is either an "O" hole or just a hole that is right under the lower vagina lips (Pictures 4, 7, 9, 11, 13, 17, 18, 21 being representative of those sorts of holes). (The first picture even has a black "V" line that does not even seem to be connected to the open lips above it. Picture 12 looks like the girl is going to have results like Picture 2. The grey gunk on her lower lips makes it hard to determine that, though.)

[And note: If anyone who reads this is looking to attack me again because of having seen a bajillion cis vaginas and thinking that all cis vaginas look different from one another, you should know that when I said "as cis as possible," I'm going by the cis vaginas *I* have seen. Telling me "All cis vaginas look different" doesn't make sense because it's not up to you to make my eyes see certain things as being different and other things as being not different. Some post op results (the "thai" type for instance) lack some basic features I have seen in every cis vagina *I* have seen, and there is nothing you or anyone can say to take away this experience of what I'm seeing. I'm not the Devil for noticing something. I'm getting tired again; I hope I'm being clear.])

And AnonyMs, I was glad you responded because I found a recent Suporn result last night that looks much more "in accordance to my taste" than the results he has on his website. I was very happy to see it. Does Susan's Place allow posting of links to graphic pictures, though? If not, I can try to explain how to get there.

Oh and thank you for the PDF file! I have it now, I'm going to save it just in case I need it. I'm very happy that it's long, lol.

As usual, if anyone has anything else to add, please post. And if you now hate me because of the "cis vagina vs certain trans vaginas" thing I've been bringing up, and do not want to help me because of that, I hope you do still help me, first of all, but remember that it's not just me you'd be helping. This topic already has like 400 or 500 views, so I would think that it matters to other people as well. I will no longer be responding to "Cis vaginas look different as well" assertions, though. I'm not here to debate.
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Even Stevens

Oh wow ... lol. I didn't realize how much I had typed in that last response. I was getting drowzy near the end, which is why it gets a little ranty there.
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Even Stevens

Quote from: Jenna Marie on October 16, 2016, 11:04:49 AM
EvenStevens: I'm happy to answer any questions you have. No, I did not have additional surgery on the fourchette; I didn't want more surgery (that was enough for a lifetime!), and the result I have is well within the range of cis variations, which is all I cared about. As I said, if I lie on my back and spread my legs wide, the vaginal canal is not visible; the outer lips do cover it. I don't have a porn star's income or make any money off my vulva, so I have less incentive to get it to look precisely the way I want it to. ;) And as this is about 95% perfect to me...  (As an aside, I've ended up feeling the way a number of cis women do about their vulvas: it's not exactly porn-star perfect, but it's mine, and the quirks aren't worth fixing and/or are part of what makes it uniquely mine. Lots of women born with a vulva end up deciding not to have surgery to "perfect" it, too.)

I have not seen Danielle's vulva, so I really have no idea what she or other women might want, but I would venture to guess that "don't want more surgery because of risk/expense/inconvenience" is not an unreasonable explanation for why some women might choose not to have a revision. There's nothing wrong with your preferences, and you're right that the majority of cis vulvas do have a fourchette, but not everyone is going to be a perfectionist.

Thank you Jenna Marie. I'm sorry. I feel rude. I don't remember even seeing hi to anyone, lol. Hi now, though! Lol. And hi to everyone else too! And I understand now. I'll respond again if I have anything further to ask.

And thank you for being an open book! Bye for now! :D
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Even Stevens

I'm sorry everyone. I feel like I might be annoying people. Please try to understand, though, that being repeatedly bombarded with attempts to change something I cannot control--the thing I can't control being my being able to spot the distinctions between certain trans vaginas and all the cis vaginas I have seen--gets frustrating; I can't help what distinctions I see.

And lastly, I just want to say that I'm not trying to annoy (and I hate that I feel like I must SAY that that's not my intention because I do not think my being able to spot the distinctions I mentioned is grounds for seeing me as some sort of trouble maker who needs to be scolded and "fixed"). (I do see, however, that my title question and first details can be seen as offensive, but that's why I keep repeating that I was tired and therefore unable to word it very well. So I don't blame anyone for seeing it as something to snap at me for, I guess.) I want so bad to just change the way my question looks. I feel terrible about it. I'm not here to make anyone feel bad. I'm looking for information.

**sniffles** Yes, I know ... I'm sensitive, lol. I just don't want to offend anyone. I'm not trying to.
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AnonyMs

Hi Even,

I'm not really sure how to respond in any detail. I've got a fairly strong preference or Suporn. Relatively speaking I've looked at a lot of SRS results and he's the only surgeon where I reasonably consistently like the results. And his good ones are very good. I don't really like any of the results on Dr Bowers site. Its a pity that more results are not published, but I wouldn't do it either so I can't complain too much.

Kimber James had a SRS revision with Gary Alter, and it featured on the TV show Botched.

You can't post links to SRS results here. Its against the rules. Have you seen Cindy Sins on realself?

I know what you're saying, but your terminology for female genitals is a bit wrong. Look up vagina on wikipedia for example.

There's some links in that pdf.

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Even Stevens

Quote from: AnonyMs on October 17, 2016, 11:52:13 AM
Hi Even,

I'm not really sure how to respond in any detail. I've got a fairly strong preference or Suporn. Relatively speaking I've looked at a lot of SRS results and he's the only surgeon where I reasonably consistently like the results. And his good ones are very good. I don't really like any of the results on Dr Bowers site. Its a pity that more results are not published, but I wouldn't do it either so I can't complain too much.

Kimber James had a SRS revision with Gary Alter, and it featured on the TV show Botched.

You can't post links to SRS results here. Its against the rules. Have you seen Cindy Sins on realself?

I know what you're saying, but your terminology for female genitals is a bit wrong. Look up vagina on wikipedia for example.

There's some links in that pdf.

It's fine; you've said enough. And I think I know what I need to do now. It seems like my questions need to directed toward the actual surgeons themselves.

And wow--obviously, I didn't realize that I should be saying "vulva" instead of "vagina." Boy was I way off. Thank you to you and Jenna for that.

Yes, Cindy is the one I had seen the night before last night. Her result is the best I have ever seen. (I even prefer her vulva over many other cis womens'.)

Thank you for helping me. I suppose if I have any other questions I'll post them. Bye for now!  :)
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