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Started by Naomi71, November 01, 2016, 05:46:15 AM

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Naomi71

This is weird.... It was over ten years ago that I was with a woman for the last time; after that I only had boyfriends. But I believe that had more to do with my gender identity than my sexual orientation: being with masculine men provided me with some kind of affirmation of my femininity.

What recently happened: I know this cis girl who often goes to the transcafe with a trans girlfriend of hers and I believe she's in love with me. Yesterday she even told me that I'm the sweetest woman she ever met (I'm not). When I told about my problems joining a women only gym she instantly offered to become my personal trainer and we've been training pilates and (shaolin) kungfu for over a month now. She's constantly inventing reasons to pay me a visit, brings me lunch, wants me to teach her zazen meditation and we're even professionally close, she being in advertising/ photography and me in communication/ pr/ webdesign. And she is gorgeous: an ex model, half dutch half chinese, most cishet men would instantly fall in love with her.

I was actually looking for a guy, but must say that recent experiences with them were somewhat disappointing. My sexuality changed since I started HRT and feel a bigger need for intimacy, a soft touch, an emotional connection. The men I date are mostly dominant tops, but I feel that this whole "rough s#x" thing is not what I need right now. It doesn't excite me anymore like it used to before I started taking hormones. Does that make me a lesbian all of a sudden?

So far, I've pretended to be unaware of her attempts to get romantical with me. I also feel slightly distrustful, beacuse she seems to be entirely fascinated with transwomen. She does photoshoots with them, has many trans friends, even visits transcafe without someone introducing her, seems to love everything about it. But what does that make her? Genuinely trans amourous, or the female version of a ->-bleeped-<-? And I still like to be with guys. They make me feel safe and protected, I enjoy traditional male/ female roles in a relationship and if they're not so rough like they used to, I also like to have s#x with them.

So I'll be seeing her tonight. She also invited me to her place after we finished training and I have some idea of what she intends to happen. But I feel confused and truly don't know how to respond to it. So far I feigned ignorance and intentionally started talking about guys to signal my sexual orientation, rejecting her in an indirect way. But on the other hand, I really do like and admire her, what she brings to my life actually is what I need. So I'm confused now. How should I deal with this? 


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SadieBlake

Deal by taking it slowly. You sound to me to be in a fairly vulnerable place which isn't bad, a good place to be for learning.

Remember don't know mind and see where it goes?

Fwiw you sound bisexual to me, and still I'd be cautious about getting into a physical relationship.
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Sophia Sage

Yeah, to echo SadieBlake, this is a time of transition, of change, of being in a liminal space.  I'm not sure we really know what we'll want at this point, it takes getting through it and out to the other side.

So, when I was in transition, I found myself attracted to other transwomen, primarily.  The emotional connection.  But also, there was the understanding of how dysphoria can affect certain relationships.  As I got deeper into the process, I realized I couldn't bear to be in any kind of sexual relationship, because of the dysphoria I had regarding that aspect of myself.  And that's not an easy thing for cis people to really understand.

And then there's the whole being very self-centered bit which I think is a necessity in transition.  At least it was for me. 

Anyways, the way to deal with all this is just be very honest about where you are in your process.  Explain what your concerns are (if she's a ->-bleeped-<-, she's not entirely interested in you, simply in what you represent), and what your limitations are as far as relationships go. 

This includes being honest with yourself!  Don't bend just to please another person.  By the same token, if your own interest is genuine, don't tamp it down for philosophical reasons.  Which includes the idea of a "fixed orientation" -- desire precedes everything, I think, it's one of the most genuine and authentic experiences we can have.  All these years later, I've come to recognize that my own sexuality is very fluid -- it really isn't oriented so much around what's between people's legs as it is what's between their ears, not to mention my own.

What you look forward to has already come, but you do not recognize it.
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Naomi71

Thank you both for the advice. Have to get to a meeting now and after that will be on my way training with her, will reply more extensively later.


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Naomi71

Quote from: SadieBlake on November 01, 2016, 07:13:36 AM
Deal by taking it slowly. You sound to me to be in a fairly vulnerable place which isn't bad, a good place to be for learning. Remember don't know mind and see where it goes?

Yes, "don't know mind", or "beginner's mind". That's how I basically feel since I started HRT. I have a whole new set of feelings, thoughts, responses to situations and needs; getting to know myself does put me in a vulnerable place. For me it feels best to process that on my own. I have some kind of fragile balance now and don't want to obset that.

Following your advice, I told her I want to take it slowly (I thought that feiging ignorance wasn't a proper beginner's mind). Also, in order to put her off, I extensively discussed the bottom surgery I want, but she was unphased. This morning she was already calling me to ask if I wanted to work with her in a espresso bar in town. I do like her.

QuoteFwiw you sound bisexual to me, and still I'd be cautious about getting into a physical relationship.

Well, I have a "friend with benefits" who visits me a few times a week. We don't have a relationship although we've been doing this for almost two years now. I'm not sure if we're still on the same page sexually. So I do engage physically, but not emotionally. I find it harder to separate the two.

As far as bisexuality is concerned: I used to think I was, but before I started HRT, my best friend who used to be my girlfriend ten years ago asked me to become her sperm donor. So I agreed. Trying to have a baby destroyed her previous marriage, she would be a great mother, so I wanted her to have that before I'd start transitioning. We both thought that having a baby via a glass tube was kind of weird and decided that we'd have sex just once i order to welcome the baby, have the baby come from a place of love. It was a disaster. She's an extremely attractive woman, we used to have sex all the time, I do live her,  I couldn't do it anymore. Using my procreative function like that triggered some heavy gender dysphoria, it all went awkward and the next day we made an appointment for the extraction of a few straws.

Quote from: Sophia Sage on November 01, 2016, 08:11:34 AM
Yeah, to echo SadieBlake, this is a time of transition, of change, of being in a liminal space. I'm not sure we really know what we'll want at this point, it takes getting through it and out to the other side.

Yes, it's a liminal space i some ways, but isn't the way I'm feeling right now the way it will stay? Or will hormones over time start to have a different effect?

QuoteSo, when I was in transition, I found myself attracted to other transwomen, primarily. The emotional connection. But also, there was the understanding of how dysphoria can affect certain relationships. As I got deeper into the process, I realized I couldn't bear to be in any kind of sexual relationship, because of the dysphoria I had regarding that aspect of myself. And that's not an easy thing for cis people to really understand.

Yes, I have a few friends like that and love them a lot, feel the same kind of attraction,  but don't know if I could be in a relationship with them. I sometimes find it hard to understand their choices, don't need to be involved in their drama and if I don't have a bit of distance from that, it annoys me too much while I know it shouldn't. At the same time I spend most of the time with them.

QuoteAnd then there's the whole being very self-centered bit which I think is a necessity in transition. At least it was for me.

Yes, maybe I'm too involved with myself to truly be able to engage with someone else.

QuoteAnyways, the way to deal with all this is just be very honest about where you are in your process. Explain what your concerns are (if she's a ->-bleeped-<-, she's not entirely interested in you, simply in what you represent), and what your limitations are as far as relationships go.

Today she made evident in many ways, that she is interested in me far beyond my gender identity






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Sophia Sage

Quote from: Naomi71 on November 02, 2016, 01:11:24 PMYes, it's a liminal space i some ways, but isn't the way I'm feeling right now the way it will stay? Or will hormones over time start to have a different effect?

I think transition itself (of which HRT is but a small part) has the effect of changing our sexuality, because we're going through just so much change -- so I wouldn't bank on knowing what and who you want, sexually speaking, until you've gotten through to the other side and explored the kinds of options available to you. 
What you look forward to has already come, but you do not recognize it.
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Naomi71

what confuses me the most is that since I'm on hormones, I openend up. So I have lots of feelings for people around me that I would have considered to be some form of being in love with someone in the past. My male presentation created a wall between me and the outside world, I hardly experienced any emotion, was very stoic. That changed now, but I'm not entirely sure yet what feeling means what.


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SadieBlake

Right now I'm platonically intimate with a couple of girls. I'm finding my better connection to my emotions is making it easier to not try to make those connections sexual and be sensitive to the needs of these women. Men? Well I don't easily trust the male elements of me though again better access to my own emotions is helping me feel less anxious about that half of the population also.

Sounds to me like you're doing fine :-)
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stephaniec

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Jin

I can't answer how YOU should deal with this, but if it was ME, I would rip off her clothes and jump her bones!
I yam what I yam, and that's all what I yam.
-- Popeye

A wise person can learn more from fools than a fool can learn from a wise person.
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Naomi71

Quote from: Jin on November 04, 2016, 09:33:17 AM
I can't answer how YOU should deal with this, but if it was ME, I would rip off her clothes and jump her bones!

Yeah, but I don't roll that way. Even before hormones, I was unable to do that (even when it was expected of me) and always awaited the other person's initiative. One out of many character traits I always had, that make me much more comfortable in a female than a male role.


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