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MTF: Cosmetic Vs Full GCS - Thinking out loud

Started by Rebecca, October 11, 2016, 05:32:21 PM

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jfong

Quote from: Jerrica on October 12, 2016, 02:31:09 PM
I love your openness jfong and very much appreciate your help.

Your comment about odour is exactly the kind of information most wouldn't even think about but is important to me. Doesn't make or break my decision but little things count and shows how much thought is put into your replies. I know I keep saying it but thank you :)

Pendulum of thought swinging back the other way of cosmetic = job done. As I understand it you can still masturbate effectively (should I choose to someday) with cosmetic so it really boils down to doing "full" for another person.

Think I'll have to give some heavy thought to penetrative sex to decide it. Still loads of time but think convenience may win out in the end for me.

You are most welcome :)
Btw, I found out since that like cis women I have 2 ways of being stimulated, internally and externally. Sure the internal one takes a while longer than the external one to learn, but when they both combined.. "WOW" is all I can say .. lol. That is also why I said that the full one is definitely worth it in my book in my earlier replies.
According to what I read, cis women also don't usually enjoy sex until their mid 30s (this might be outdated info) but you can imagine they also need to learn how to enjoy what turns them on, and that's why "me" time is important. Some will prefer internal stimulation, whereas some just like the external ones just like some of my cis girl friends.
In the end it is up to you to learn the +ve and -ve and decide what's best for you.
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Rebecca

The possibilities are definitely there and "WOW" could make for a very good reason.

I still have issues to sort out in my mind about masturbation but higher chance of that than intimacy with another person so options open I guess.

Your help has been invaluable taking a cosmetic pretty much decided to a much closer call which is actually kinda fun to have a real choice to make.

I'm definitely in a much better place to give both options a fairer consideration thanks to you all.
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SorchaC

The choice is obviously yours. As I have said in other threads on a similar topic; The advantage of full SRS is that you have the chance to know what having the surgery feels like and how you feel post op about maintaining your new parts. If don't want to carry on with dilation you just stop and your body will take care of making sure it heals over.

I'm 18 months post op and still haven't done anything sexual but I did test out how it all works a couple of times  :angel: For me dilation is my time to just give myself some pampering. Not everyone agrees with me about dilating and most just do the minimum they can which is fine, Depending upon who your surgeon is after 6 months you can basically do it when you feel like although I still follow Chetts dilation routine because unless I'm busy I feel I owe it to myself to look after the bit I spent so many years craving.

Feminine hygiene  is something we all need to deal with and it would be easier without an inside part but you'd still have to clean down there properly. I suspect jfong is right that much of the odour is related to urination which you'll still do. I get an odour but while I'm cleaning up from dilation I have a feminine wash solution I clean the area outside with and also apply bio oil for scar reduction.

I hope you manage to decide and are eventually happy with whatever you choose

Hugs

Sorcha  ;D
Full Time : July 2007,  ;D ;D
HRT : December 2007,
GRC, (Gender Changed on Birth Certificate) December 2009,  :eusa_clap:
SRS Dr Chettawut March 2015, ;D ;D
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Sophia Sage

As I got towards the end of transition, I discovered my sexuality changing.  Well, it's kind of funny to say -- I was heteroflexible before, and heteroflexible afterwards (with varying periods of just being queer). The point is, I started becoming strongly attracted to men in a way I hadn't been before. And this after feeling non-sexual during transition itself (because "down there" was a source of dysphoria and had to be repressed). 

So having the "full deal" was crucial to pursuing that interest.

It's an interest that developed in my 30s, and now as I approach my 50s it hasn't changed.  If anything, it's grown stronger.  I've had many sexual experiences this year, with men and women, many quite experienced, and with all I never disclosed my narrative, and as such it was utterly crucial to having had full SRS and secondary labiaplasty to make that happen.  A while back, I was in a long term relationship for over six years, again with no issues.  In other words, I am pretty certain that having a "normal" vagina (with an interior) is crucial to passing in bed, which in turn will affect how you pass in such relationships overall.

So, a little about my experience.  I went to Toby, fit and trim, and got a very good result.  Fully orgasmic, both vaginally and clitorally. I'm at about 7 inches of depth, and working to develop more.  My pussy smells like pussy.  I do need lube, but this is common for women of a certain age, and of course it's not exactly uncommon even among younger women.  One of my younger partners back in the day, a ciswoman in her twenties, always needed lube.

Daily dilation isn't necessary to maintain function, not after the first 3 or 4 months post-op.  Regular sex can take care of that further down the road.  In my case, I had a fallow period after breaking up with Mr Six Years, and went about three years without dilating at all.  It took about a month of regular work to regain my depth and stretchability.  And personally speaking, I haven't found dilating to be unpleasant at all.  In maintenance mode, it takes about five minutes a week, though I usually take longer because I find it much more pleasurable to incorporate this with masturbation.  Hell, I don't even need stents anymore.  I use dildos and vibes, like any other woman. 

Finally, don't think that regular dilation post-op is anything "fake."  Consider cis-women who suffer from vaginismus -- hyper-contraction of the vaginal muscles upon any kind of penetration.  There is a cure for this condition, and it's basically dilation.  And lube.  And Kegel exercises.  Exactly what we do as we recuperate from surgery. 

Mostly, though, there's a very powerful sort of gendering that occurs during sex, especially when you pass and haven't disclosed your narrative.  I learned more the first time I had intercourse this way than I did in years of therapy and transition, or gobs of books and eloquent writings, what have you.  It's... I struggle to find the right words for it.  Being seen in this way, so close, so intimate, it got... it got deep into my soul.  I'm really sorry I don't have the right words for it. Okay, maybe it's like this -- you know what it's like to be dysphoric?  To even have a twinge of it?  Now, imagine all that gone in a puff of smoke, all the way down to your bones, even into your memories.  I saw myself in someone else's eyes, in a way I hadn't ever seen myself before, and there was a truth there that I simply had to accept.  And so there was a "letting go" and at the same time a reception, an acceptance, all at the same time. 

It never hurt (he had plenty of lube), but I was sore in the morning.  Oh, that soreness in the morning!  Being able to actually feel my emptiness. It's strange, but I felt so much closer to womankind that morning. (It's no less profound with another woman.  Having our fingers and hands and mouths and strap-ons inside each other.  Mirroring each other.) 

It's something I'll never forget.

I'm not saying if you go this route, you'll have the same experience.  Everyone is different.  But if you go down the other path, you'll likely be foreclosing this possibility for the rest of your life. 
What you look forward to has already come, but you do not recognize it.
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Shelly Maree

Any type of elective surgery is a very personal thing and each individual must not be influenced by other people. This is something that you must do by your own choice. I will make a few comments of my own or add to from other posters similar experiences, as I feel other people's experiences may help someone to visualise their own life in later years.

I had full srs approaching ten years in a few months. I had always wanted this done and still feel it is the best outcome for me (still super happy and never no regrets).

Your major comments often relate back to dilation. Yes at first it is scary and uncomfortable, but after things settle and you start adjusting to the new lady bits it is not an issue at all. I followed the schedule very strictly for the first 12 months, after this period you are very comfortable and learn to know what you need down there. Over the years I have tapered off with dilation and now dilate once a week, just by inserting 32mm dilator, with lube. I feel I could completely stop dilation, but for my own piece of mind I keep this up. In saying this I have a male partner and we are sexually active at least 3-4 times per week, approaching 7 years soon.

All girls are faced with feminine hygiene issues, which means vaginas do need a little bit of care. I donot douche, or should I say I did very early post op under initial hygiene, but only a few times and have not done that for years. I do not have what I call odour, there is a smell if a stick a finger and smell, but not a bad odour and as others have said it is possible some natural and some urine. I am constanly moist down there, but not wet, I feel it is just nice. On a day to day basis there is not much discharge if any. I have a habbit (don't know why) but when I pee I usually take a peek of the cotton crotch lining of my panties, and it does vary from day to day but it ranges from slight to nil. My boyfriend does often go down there to give me pleasant oral and apart from me finding it nice, he often goes back, so I don't see an odour problem. I do always wipe dry after peeing and give good pat dry with towel after showering, but I have never had infections or such as some girls mention (either girls like us or cis). I hate using dirty rest rooms, but that is a problem for anyone regardless of theis surgery status.

I am very sensative and can achieve climax without problems. I did have problems early post op, but that was years ago and now everything is great. I feel that climax from penetration is my ultimate and we have achived together at the same time on many ocasions and it is great. We do use lube, but that is personal choice and we have done it,  just from own natural source, but we like it wet.

I have not seen a cosmetic only result or what life is like with a cosmetic vagina. This type of surgery never entered my mind. I had my surgery at the age of 26 (now 35) and at the time I was not in a relationship and it was a few years after surgery before this relationship started. I would not let your age factor your decision, just continue with the thoughts if you need a vaginal canal or not. You will still look perfect standing in front of the mirror, public changerooms, beauty parlour or massage etc.

This is possibly no help but it just reflections of what surgery has done for me, but all comments may help
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Rebecca

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Thank you all for your posts every bit of experience helps and your posts provide exactly the kind of real life details that raw medical information lacks.

It really does seem to come down to dilation as if asked cosmetic or full with no difference in aftercare it would be a no-brainer for full. Can be hard to think of a year as a small period of time when you've not really been alive that long but that said this year has really flown in.

Alone time sounds good then again it does sound as good and almost impossible to all mum's I guess. With dilation as high as 4 times a day for 30 minutes a session I honestly don't know how I'd mange to fit that into my life with work alone blocking 9-5.

Options are always good and I have grown up a lot since I got back and not finished yet so more changes are on the cards especially after surgery when my genital mind block is removed. Sex remains a possibility which is only provided through one option.

Ok so we know with cosmetic you can at least in theory undergo further surgery to get a functional vagina if you change your mind.

If starting from full however and deciding nope you're 100% sure now you're never ever going to use it. Can it be closed? Is it safe or painful to stop dilation on a never again basis?

With a way out so to speak it would allow going for full but with the option to almost change your mind if it came to it.

If that is possible with no adverse consequences such as pain or discomfort forever then Full would be the way to go but I always need to have a Plan B as a safety net even if it isn't used. Naturally I'll need to look into the medical side and discuss with a surgeon eventually but as always any information already know to any of you would be greatly appreciated. (I'll do some googling later for more info too of course but more credibility is always given to posters here)
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Sophia Sage

Quote from: Jerrica on October 13, 2016, 02:35:02 AMWith dilation as high as 4 times a day for 30 minutes a session I honestly don't know how I'd mange to fit that into my life with work alone blocking 9-5.

Well, you'll want to take a good two to three weeks off work for SRS, or any major surgery for that matter.  The first week will be in the hospital or aftercare facility, depending on where you go.  The next week (hopefully two) at home. 

Once you're back in the work flow, it doesn't have to be so frequent, or for as long.  By the time I started my third week, I only needed to dilate twice a day for about 15 minutes to maintain my width and depth.  You could dilate in the morning, before work, and when you get home from work, and at bedtime if you need to do more.  That's really going to be sufficient, and catch up on the weekends if necessary.  Even then, it's only for another month or two.  Depends on how fast you heal, which in turn depends on your overall health.  I was very fit when I had SRS, so I didn't have to be so aggressive.  (I ended up being more aggressive anyways, just because I got to the point of really enjoying doing it in the first place. Any pain I experienced was a dull thuddy achey pain that quickly went away.) 


QuoteOk so we know with cosmetic you can at least in theory undergo further surgery to get a functional vagina if you change your mind.

Theory is different from practice.  Where is that skin graft going to come from?  Will it take? (For there are issues of blood supply and innervation.)  Can you afford to take more time off from work?  What about the repercussions of a relationship going south because you didn't take care of it the first time around? 

There are fewer surgeons who will do this, and they'll probably be more expensive.


QuoteIf starting from full however and deciding nope you're 100% sure now you're never ever going to use it. Can it be closed? Is it safe or painful to stop dilation on a never again basis?

With a way out so to speak it would allow going for full but with the option to almost change your mind if it came to it.

If you change your mind after full SRS, you just stop.  It doesn't hurt, and it won't affect your functionality (the urethra isn't in the vaginal canal).  No surgery required.  Much easier if you're inclined to change your mind. 

And, if you change your mind again, it's possible you'll only need to dilate to regain your functionality.
What you look forward to has already come, but you do not recognize it.
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Rebecca

Thank you Sophia. Generally I heal pretty fast and would say I'm relatively fit and healthy so should have a reasonable recovery time. Time will tell.

Completely agree with the issues regarding further surgery from Cosmetic and it certainly wouldn't be a desirable choice.

Time off work will be ok and if 3 times will suffice while working that is definitely doable.

With the last piece of the puzzle coming from you with regards to the ability to stop dilation (if need be) I am now secure enough to decide on full.

Thank you all for your help and looks like Full is the right way to for me to go a choice I couldn't have weighed properly without you all.
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Rebecca

I'm back to necro my post with my final decision........ cosmetic!!!

What makes this decision more final than the last one???
I've emailed my request to Chet and I won't be changing it  ;D

Ever since I made the previous decision for full I've been rebelling against it in my mind and coming back to pick at it going round & round in the classic Brain Vs Feelings way.

In short full surgery would be to the benefit of someone else who would not be me or my wife.
Whilst there are no guarantees my marriage will last I feel it will and I'm going to go with it.

I would like to thank everyone who got involved while I was working my way through this but slice'n'dice then I'm done.
I'm planning a very busy life and seriously not organised enough to do anything beyond my tablets.

Dilation and even sex are just not for me if the worst happens I'll be looking for someone who wants me for me not just for what they can do to me.
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