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Started by Stevie, November 12, 2016, 01:45:14 AM

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Stevie

 I started a new job in August no one here knows about my past, I know it probably doesn't look it from my avatar photo but I pass. When talking with people at times the subject of marital status and children sometimes gets asked of me. I have told them I have four children and I am married but separating from my spouse after we sell our house. Some then start asking questions about my husband which makes me have to reply about my spouse with male pronouns at times. This makes me feel some distress as I don't want to lie but I Also don't want to out myself to everyone. I try to jut use the word  spouse but sometimes that is not possible.
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Roxy

Omg ..... yes , the past can be an issue. My current Boyfriend doesn't realize I am trans ( i cant understand why he hasn't worked it out yet ) . When I mention my kids , he asks about there father. So I have to change the pronouns.
My younger boyfriend met me before I started hormones so he knows I am trans.
I always wonder if to mention I am trans to people that don't know , I always thought people just knew , but as my transtition goes further along it seems some don't.  I wonder weather to mention it or not , but figure it's not really there business , it's a personal thing that only your doctor and lover need to know.
I not sleeping with my older boyfriend so I haven't mentioned it. And was shocked when he asked about the father of my kids.
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Sophia Sage

It's very difficult to practice non-disclosure when there are kids involved.

Quote from: Stevie on November 12, 2016, 01:45:14 AM
I started a new job in August no one here knows about my past, I know it probably doesn't look it from my avatar photo but I pass. When talking with people at times the subject of marital status and children sometimes gets asked of me. I have told them I have four children and I am married but separating from my spouse after we sell our house. Some then start asking questions about my husband which makes me have to reply about my spouse with male pronouns at times. This makes me feel some distress as I don't want to lie but I Also don't want to out myself to everyone. I try to jut use the word spouse but sometimes that is not possible.

It's kind of late now, but there's another way to deal with this sort of situation, depending on your orientation.  If you're lesbian, you can say you've been in a long-term relationship with another woman but you're breaking up... and though her kids were from a prior relationship (the previous you, but you don't say that, obviously) you're hoping to maintain a relationship with them.  Of course, this effectively outs you as lesbian or bi.  But it's honest.  And no, you really don't want to pretend you've had the experience of giving birth.

If you're straight, you can say you've never found the right man to marry, and compartmentalize everything else.

I think these are preferable to misgendering your spouse, for a few reasons.  First, it's tricky to get the pronouns wrong, and it's something that might make you feel icky inside.  Second, being married to a man is a very different experience from being married to a woman.  If other people assume you've been married to a man, they'll assume you have that experience -- which is good, in that you'll learn obliquely what most other women know intimately, but not so good in that your actual lack of knowledge may betray you. 

Third, a lot depends on the custody of your kids.  If they're grown and out of the house, no problem.  But if they're young, what are the arrangements?  It's extremely rare for the mother to leave them to the father; if you don't have joint custody, it would probably have been better not to invoke them at all. 

Anyways, all this is moot -- you're in a particular story now.  If I were you, and people bring it up to you in conversation, I'd say something like "It's not really going well right now and I don't want to talk about it."
What you look forward to has already come, but you do not recognize it.
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Sophia Sage

Quote from: Roxy on November 12, 2016, 04:20:23 AMI wonder weather to mention it or not, but figure it's not really there business , it's a personal thing that only your doctor and lover need to know.

I disagree -- this part of your medical history isn't something a lover "needs" to know.  You might need them to know, which is an entirely different matter.

More relevant to ethics, in my opinion, is being open and upfront about your polyamory.
What you look forward to has already come, but you do not recognize it.
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Emileeeee

Not a good idea! Answering those questions honestly is not going to out you as trans. It's going to out you as gay. It's not going to reveal your past. You will trip up at some point and the rumor mill will begin. Better to be honest.
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Stevie

 Our kids are all adults but one is disabled, I have been the one to take care them and will continue to do so.

I thought about representing it as a lesbian relationship and that she was the biological mother. I decided against that as I thought it would lead to more lies. My spouse is not a lesbian and I  really don't now what my sexual orientation is, also I don't think she would want  to be referred to as one even with people she will never met.

I think if the subject comes up again I will try to redirect the conversation.
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PrincessCrystal

Quote from: Stevie on November 12, 2016, 01:45:14 AMI have told them I have four children and I am married but separating from my spouse after we sell our house. Some then start asking questions about my husband which makes me have to reply about my spouse with male pronouns at times. This makes me feel some distress as I don't want to lie but I Also don't want to out myself to everyone.
Easy.  My mother just says "I am divorced, it was not amicable, but it is cordial.  I don't like to discuss it."  Me and her are opposites: I'll go on at length about things my father did, but she doesn't like to talk about his abusive behavior, so the doesn't go into it.  It's your business, not theirs, and you shouldn't have to talk to them about it if it makes you uncomfortable.
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