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Started by jenniferlovescoffee, November 30, 2016, 08:56:37 PM

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Question for the site owners:  What is your monthly network read/write traffic for susans.org?  In GB's?  like 60 GB's per month of read/write traffic?

I ask because not only did i see https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php?action=announcement;aid=22, but also this:

Your support makes all of this possible. Please donate or subscribe. We have raised $-405.00 so far this month, leaving us $2892.35 below our goal for the month of December! :(

That is quite a bit of money for a read-heavy site.

I notice this site makes use of wordpress. i also notice the IP 104.36.203.218 is not in AWS range, so its not in AWS.

SO, Amazon AWS has really good rates for read-heavy wordpress web sites.  ready-heavy because the majority of traffic in a forum site is reads.  And with the new Amazon Lightsail (https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/amazon-lightsail-the-power-of-aws-the-simplicity-of-a-vps/), you could have even more savings. It just takes some talent and time and you save a lot of money.

Please consider this. Thanks!
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Dena

Word Press is only a small portion of the site. Simple machines runs the forum, Chat is something I am not sure about and Minecraft is totally different. The bandwidth and storage requirements to support everything that makes Susan's would cost far more if contracted out instead of running in house. Last but not least, there are Security Considerations that make it desirable to have a well contained system instead of one much more public.
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SadieBlake

Amazon (AWS), Google and other cloud services make an entire virtual machine available to the user and because you're in a high bandwidth data center the bandwidth costs are close to nil. Security concerns are no different than if you were running in your living room. The other big advantage is that you're no longer exposed to hardware failures.

I've priced this out, the savings are substantial.
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Megan.

Sadie, I'm an AWS fan too, but I don't think they have a Susan 😉. I understand and fully accept that a large part of the 'site' costs are not for the kit, but for the fantastic people who run and maintain it.
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Devlyn

Quote from: jenniferlovescoffee on November 30, 2016, 08:56:37 PM
Question for the site owners:  What is your monthly network read/write traffic for susans.org?  In GB's?  like 60 GB's per month of read/write traffic?

I ask because not only did i see https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php?action=announcement;aid=22, but also this:

Your support makes all of this possible. Please donate or subscribe. We have raised $-405.00 so far this month, leaving us $2892.35 below our goal for the month of December! :(

That is quite a bit of money for a read-heavy site.

I notice this site makes use of wordpress. i also notice the IP 104.36.203.218 is not in AWS range, so its not in AWS.

SO, Amazon AWS has really good rates for read-heavy wordpress web sites.  ready-heavy because the majority of traffic in a forum site is reads.  And with the new Amazon Lightsail (https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/amazon-lightsail-the-power-of-aws-the-simplicity-of-a-vps/), you could have even more savings. It just takes some talent and time and you save a lot of money.

Please consider this. Thanks!

There seems to be some confusion. The money isn't just to pay the hosting, it's Susan's paycheck as well.

Hugs, Devlyn
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Susan

We are doing in the 500gb a month range just for the web traffic for this one web site. 5.4 terabytes so far this year so should be at or near 6tb by the end of the month. That is not counting the traffic generated by email, IRC, Minecraft, Remote backups etc, just the web server. In 111 days just 3.7 months the server reports it transmitted RX bytes:230.1 GB TX bytes: 2.9 TB.  Multiplied by 3 to figure rough numbers for the full year, I get numbers of of around 10 TB a year. and actually 111 x 3 only equals 333 days, so we are still shy a full month. That is also not counting the bandwidth I personally use at all, probably another 3 or so tb.

We have exceptionally large databases 6.3gb in size. Most providers will run very fast from databases of that size. The forums database by it's self is 4.1GB.

Another benefit of this setup is that I can have as many servers as I have room for and there is no additional monthly costs beyond the electricity that they consume.

Monthly hosting costs run about $600 give or take each month.

I keep the ac on all summer at 65-68 degrees to keep the servers as cool as possible. The servers use the majority of the electricity, so the site pays the electric bill. Believe me I would rather keep it in the 75-80's I am constantly freezing my butt off. But I willingly sacrifice my personal comfort for my members.

We also pay a premium for Enterprise level network priority, service, and support. I recently had ISP techs at my house on a Sunday.

I have had nightmares with remote hosting in the past including a 4 day outage one year because the provider was closed over labor day and it would have cost a minimum of $700 to gain access after hours to the server to do a repair. ($350.00 per hour, 2 hour minimum)

$1,400 of the monthly goal is to allow me to work full time on running the site. I hope no one feels I shouldn't be compensated for the time I dedicate to providing this web site, administering it, and keeping my members safe, and secure, it is a full time job. I make on average around $3.50 per hour putting in around 400 hours per month, a number that one of these days needs to increase...

From 1995 until 2013 I paid the full cost of running the site out of my own pocket. I didn't have any member support options at all. Cindy had to basically beg me to accept the first donation which came from her, and I will say it helped me out immensely!

We started accepting member contributions and support in 2013.

I also did not start receiving any personal compensation from the site until December of 2014/January of 2015. So that's means for 19 years I didn't personally receive a dime from this web site.

All I can suggest for those who think they can do it better or cheaper, is to point out that many have thought so and tried, they are gone, I am still here after 21, almost 22 years.
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Megan.

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Susan

Quote from: jenniferlovescoffee on November 30, 2016, 08:56:37 PM
Your support makes all of this possible. Please donate or subscribe. We have raised $-405.00 so far this month, leaving us $2892.35 below our goal for the month of December! :(

The negative number and high goal amount was due to an issue which causes donations made on the last day of the month to sometimes show up as being on the coming month's goal and not on the previous months. I programmed a offset last month to remove $405.00 from the donations, and 392.35 from the balance left for the goal. ($405 minus $12.65 in paypal fees)  which was donated on October 31st from the November totals. I didn't want people to think we had $405 extra in November and thus not meet the goal last month.  I also had to adjust this month as well but by a much smaller amounts ($40.00 and $37.94) , I also cleaned up the code that allows me to make the adjustments.

Without the offset the support message would currently show:

QuoteYour support makes all of this possible. Please donate or subscribe. We have raised $40.00 so far this month, leaving us $2462.06 below our goal for the month of December! :(

But we have had no donations this month, as you can easily verify by looking at the donation widget in the blue bar at the bottom. If you notice it is showing $20 as having been donated this month even though it was actually donated in November.

We basically broke even for both months. We exceeded the monthly goal by $2.00 in October with that $405 included, and by $99.00 in November.
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SadieBlake

Susan, you don't seem to understand that Google cloud, AWS etc are not hosting services. You are provided a virtual machine and you run it just the way you would a physical server. You have a choice of Linux versions you can install; bandwidth, CPU and disk costs taken all together would be a fraction of what you're paying for your data line.
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Susan

Quote from: SadieBlake on December 02, 2016, 06:19:55 AM
Susan, you don't seem to understand that Google cloud, AWS etc are not hosting services. You are provided a virtual machine and you run it just the way you would a physical server. You have a choice of Linux versions you can install; bandwidth, CPU and disk costs taken all together would be a fraction of what you're paying for your data line.

Please don't be insulting.

I understand AWS and Google Cloud. I also have a ton personal experiences with hosting companies including Amazon to fall back on. With self hosting I have 24x7 immediate hands on access to the server. No one but me has any access to the server, or data. I personally have full control of my servers, and can do anything I want with them or through them. I can have as many servers as I like and it doesn't cost me any more money other than the electricity it consumes. I have no surprise charges such as the $100 minimum per month for business support through amazon, and it could be much more; basic support won't cut it.

Lastly I have made my final decision on this matter.  By time all costs and the other just as important considerations are factored in, we would not save much beyond what we are paying now, it puts the security of the sites at risk, loosens protection of the data, and so I am going to continue to self host the site. If that bothers you then by all means do not donate to support the site, no one is forcing you or anyone else to do so.

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