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Started by AuroraSophia, December 18, 2016, 08:30:36 AM

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AuroraSophia

Hi all... its been a month on hrt.. feeling a bit more at peace with myself.. but i still have lots of questions id like to ask, that i fear, i might not be able to freely ask on the forum. i was kinda hoping to ask a few of the vets here, but my pm-ing function hasnt been activated.

im currently on e, spyro and i just stated on fina. my issue is that, leaving doses aside, how should i plan to take the pills... id like to split the meds into 2 intakes: morning and night in hope to maintain a more balanced hormone and anti-a level. now the question is, how should i split them? higher dose in the morning? higher dose in the evening? or does it even matter? should i do that just for e leaving spiro and fina just in the morning? or move everything to the evening? basically what im asking, what would be the most optimal way to take the meds.

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Denise

Ask your doctor.  They will be able to answer your questions for your specific case.

For me the doc told me to split the Spiro.  I kept having to get up in the middle of the night.  That fixed that problem.

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Lady_Oracle

aa in the morning since thats when T is at its strongest and split up the E dose between morning and evening for consistent e levels throughout the day. That was my schedule when was I was on pills.
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AuroraSophia

the doctor thing... he initially told me to just take everything in the morning to avoid the hassle (or forgetting) of taking the evening dose... only after i asked him if i should split the dose, he said thats a possibility...
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JoanneB

Quote from: Lady_Oracle on December 18, 2016, 09:03:02 AM
aa in the morning since thats when T is at its strongest and split up the E dose between morning and evening for consistent e levels throughout the day. That was my schedule when was I was on pills.
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And, if you're like me, you still get a chance in the evening to take the pills you forgot to in the AM. It's also best to take spiro after a little something to eat to avoid a grumbly tummy. I also do the spiro sub-lingually. It's a bit nasty at first but I readily got used to it as it dissolves quickly
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Harley Quinn

I take my full dose of Spiro and Finasteride in the morning right after breakfast. They have better absorbsion rate if taken with food. I have tried the split dose at 6am/6pm of Spiro for 4 momths and didn't notice any real difference from taking them separated or all at once. My doctor prescribes to taking them all at once. Splitting the dose of Spiro just made me have to pee all day rather than just half the day. I cannot speak for the estrogen, as I'm on IM injections. Best of luck!
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KayXo

Quote from: JoanneB on December 18, 2016, 09:44:17 AMIt's also best to take spiro after a little something to eat to avoid a grumbly tummy.

Food also increases its bioavailability.

Clin Pharmacol Ther. 1986 Nov;40(5):531-6.

"The mean (+/- SD) percent increase in AUC (0 to 24 hours) of spironolactone when it was given with food, compared with the ingestion on an empty stomach (95.4% +/- 66.9%), was much more pronounced than the corresponding increase of 7 alpha-thiomethylspirolactone (45.4% +/- 33.7%), 6 beta-hydroxy-7 alpha-thiomethylspiro-lactone (21.8% +/- 21.5%), and canrenone (40.7% +/- 26.3%). These observations indicate that food promotes the absorption of spironolactone and possibly decreases its first-pass metabolism."

Clin Pharmacol Ther. 1977 Jul;22(1):100-3.

"The influence of food intake on the bioavailability of canrenone, the major and active metabolite of spironolactone, was explored in 8 healthy male volunteers."

"The results indicate that more canrenone enters the general circulation when spironolactone in ingested together with a meal."

Canrenone is supposedly a weaker anti-androgen than spironolactone and since this study, other metabolites of Spiro have been found to have a major effect on the body and be responsible for much of its anti-mineralocorticoid effects.

QuoteI also do the spiro sub-lingually. It's a bit nasty at first but I readily got used to it as it dissolves quickly

Its bioavailability is already quite high, around 80-90% and even higher when taken with a meal. Why take it sublingually? Do you find a difference vs. orally? Reports of adverse effects of spironolactone on liver in humans are extremely rare. Spironolactone is even prescribed to individuals with liver cirrhosis. 

Regarding spironolactone, taken once or twice daily...

Med J Aust. 1980 Feb 9;1(3):124-5.

"Once-a-day therapy with spironolactone has been compared with a twice-a-day regimen in an open crossover trial in patients with essential hypertension. When compared with placebo, both treatments significantly lowered blood pressure. Twice-a-day therapy provided slightly better blood pressure control than the once-a-day dosing schedule. There were only minor differences in biochemical findings between the two regimens. Three of the 17 patients developed reversible gynaecomastia."

Br J Clin Pharmacol. 1981 Oct; 12(4): 585–588.

"There was no indication of improved blood pressure control throughout the 24 h while receiving spironolactone in divided doses compared to the once a day regime. Previous studies of patients with mild hypertension maintained on a daily dose of (...) spironolactone have come to similar conclusions (Hennigsen, 1978; Ludbrook et al., 1980; Madwar, 1980)."

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Alora

Quote from: Harley Quinn on December 18, 2016, 11:43:07 AM
Spiro and Finasteride

So I'm a noob to HRT medications. And I sorta know what spiro is, it's a diuretic, but why is it used in HRT? And what is Finasteride?


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Dena

Spiro has the side effect of stopping testosterone production. Finasteride is a DHT blocker. Testosterone converts to DHT which causes male pattern baldness so Finasteride stops male pattern baldness.
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KayXo

Quote from: Alora on December 18, 2016, 12:15:29 PM
So I'm a noob to HRT medications. And I sorta know what spiro is, it's a diuretic, but why is it used in HRT? And what is Finasteride?

Spiro will reduce androgen (most notably, testosterone and dihydrotestosterone) concentrations as well as block androgens from binding to receptors. It also increases metabolic clearance of androgens and peripheral conversion of androgens to estrogens.

Finasteride inhibits 5-alpha reductase enzyme Type 2, hence inhibiting conversion of T (testosterone) to DHT (dihydrotestosterone), the more potent androgen. Men who are deficient in this enzyme don't ever become bald and have very little body hair growth, except for axillary and pubic hairs.
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Alora

Quote from: KayXo on December 18, 2016, 12:22:02 PM
Finasteride inhibits 5-alpha reductase enzyme Type 2, hence inhibiting conversion of T (testosterone) to DHT (dihydrotestosterone), the more potent androgen. Men who are deficient in this enzyme don't ever become bald and have very little body hair growth, except for axillary and pubic hairs.

Will Finasteride help reverse male baldness?


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KayXo

It will stop it but depending on your situation, how long follicles were dormant for, might or might not reverse situation. Minoxidil (Rogaine) also helps.
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Post-op since late 2005
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Alora

Quote from: KayXo on December 18, 2016, 12:42:45 PM
It will stop it but depending on your situation, how long follicles were dormant for, might or might not reverse situation. Minoxidil (Rogaine) also helps.
Thanks Kay


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Alora

Quote from: KayXo on December 18, 2016, 12:42:45 PM
Minoxidil (Rogaine) also helps.

I was searching amazing and noticed there is minoxidil for men and women. Which one should I get? Or are they the same?


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KayXo

The one for men is stronger, I think there is a risk of facial hair growth with it and maybe this is why it's weaker for women. You could try starting with the weaker of the two and go from there. Get a doctor's opinion. I'm not a doctor.
I am not a medical doctor, nor a scientist - opinions expressed by me on the subject of HRT are merely based on my own review of some of the scientific literature over the last decade or so, on anecdotal evidence from women in various discussion forums that I have come across, and my personal experience

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AuroraSophia

That's one thing I don't get... in the long run, if don't use finasteride or minoxidil, would I get the same if not similar results? In the sense that I'd see some hair regrowth?
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KayXo

If T/DHT is not suppressed, the situation may get worse or remain as it is. I doubt it would improve without intervention.
I am not a medical doctor, nor a scientist - opinions expressed by me on the subject of HRT are merely based on my own review of some of the scientific literature over the last decade or so, on anecdotal evidence from women in various discussion forums that I have come across, and my personal experience

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Post-op since late 2005
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AuroraSophia

But isn't that what partly hrt is for? I mean to get your T levels to plummet? Or is finasteride supposed to be a temporary fix until T levels lower and stabilize?
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Alora

Quote from: AuroraSophia on December 18, 2016, 05:18:02 PM
But isn't that what partly hrt is for? I mean to get your T levels to plummet? Or is finasteride supposed to be a temporary fix until T levels lower and stabilize?
I think she is saying if you're not on hrt your chances of regrowing with minoxidil are lower because you are fighting your natural T levels. You will probably have a better response on the T blocker meds then not being on them.


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LShipley

Quote from: JoanneB on December 18, 2016, 09:44:17 AM
+1

And, if you're like me, you still get a chance in the evening to take the pills you forgot to in the AM. It's also best to take spiro after a little something to eat to avoid a grumbly tummy. I also do the spiro sub-lingually. It's a bit nasty at first but I readily got used to it as it dissolves quickly

Omg pain from electrolysis and srs is one thing, but having those nasty pills in my mouth longer than absolutely necessary is cruel and inhumane. Yuck! I even rub off all the powder on it before taking them

you are determined I'll give you that lol

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