My advise for people who want to do ffs in Asia and othe places like Asia

[Abbiem]

Anyone can say they are ffs surgeons.
In Asia, first they do not like slanted eyes, they do your eyes rounder instead of slanted.
Second, bone contouring, it is very minimum.
and they are not FFS they are normal plastic surgeons, who can do some jaw and cheek contouring, they have limitations especially in the craniofacial, maxillary, osteotomy surgeries (le fort).
last, if u r black or coming from somewhere not from the west, the treatment is very different.
the ideal for them is western, and they do whiten their skin for this.

I have been there and extremely not satisfied at all, they should be sued.

[Celia0428]

What do you mean "Asia or other places like Asia"?... Chinatown in San Francisco, for example?

[AnonyMs]

There's bad surgeons everywhere, including the USA and Australia, and I'd not trust a surgeon because of anything they say. Its places like this site, where you can read about people experiences with them, that establish some level of trust. There appears to be some underhanded advertising as well, where surgeons may be paying paying people to post good reviews, so its worth watching out for that.

I know a bit about Thailand, and there's good surgeons surgeons there. There's so many reviews of the popular ones that you can get some idea of their quality. Apart from Yeson I see very few reviews of surgeons in Korea, so I'd never go there even if there are good surgeons. Too risky. Other places in Asia are even more unknown.

[warlockmaker]

I am Eurasian and have lived in Asia most of my life. Sorry your surgery was not as expected but to chastise Asians surgeons racially as a group is discrimination. I can read that you are neither Western or Asian. Extreme FFS has very high risk of serious life threatening complications, most surgeons will not perform such surgeries for purely cosmetic reasons. The bone in certain areas of the skull are quite thin eg orbital rim, and fillers need to be used and that is another risk.  I trust you are aware of certain celebrities TGs who had FFS in the west and had some serious life threatening issues. One in particular is the English boxing promoter.

Yes, you are right. Drs in Asia will not place your life at risk for extreme FFS and you should have gone to somewhere like Brazil where they are willing to take this risk.... are you?

[AnonyMs]

The one Warlockmaker is referring to is pretty scary, and in Belgium

Kellie Maloney: Surgery nearly killed me and turned me into a monster (trigger)
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php?topic=178628.0

The only death I know of in  trans surgery is for FFS in the USA

Patient Dies in Dr. Zukowski's Office
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php?topic=113812.0

There's surgeon's I'd not go to in Asia, but I'd also choose Suporn in Thailand for SRS above anyone else. Not sure about FFS yet.

[Abbiem]

Hello,

No iam not discriminating Asian surgeons, i think you are all very wrong, i had an experience, and i have mentioned it. I consider myself as HUMAN who mentioned my experience, i do not conside i belong to this part iam Asian or iam from this race. The world is all the same.
Though right where iam now, i can afford surgery in United States and before i used to go where to save the money.
Iam not against surgeons anywhere, but i mentioned my experience.
For ex the surgeon i went to was not at all specialised in FFS rather formal plastic surgery, but he called himself FFS surgeon.
This is why i advised this.

[AnonyMs]

I'd like to know who this surgeon is?

[Abbiem]

It was in South Korea. They are not ffs surgeons.

[anjaq]

The only death I know of in  trans surgery is for FFS in the USA
Patient Dies in Dr. Zukowski's Office
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php?topic=113812.0

There was also one case with Dr van der Veen. As I understand it the patient had some condition that was not disvocered until the surgery and then led to her death.

I think one has to do "due diligence" in any case. I would never go to a surgeon who just claims to be great, have photos on the website and maybe one patient cheering him. Its just too risky that this is either a marketing thing or there was just someone with great luck involved. I would always check if there are at least a few handful of patients who went there and had good experiences and not many or none who report something bad.

Going for unknown surgeons is a risk. One may save a lot of money - or maybe one gets butchered. Sometimes it works out and the first patients from the west who went to Yeson for voice surgery took a risk for sure - but it went great and by taking that risk they discovered a great surgeon who now gains popularity and an increasing number of positive and a few negative patient reports are around now.

I recently also saw someone report about a FFS surgeon in India - Dr Telang I believe was the name. I saw only one result and it looked well made and the pricetag for it was 1/3 or 1/4 of what average FFS surgeons charge. Now - its a risk to go there at this point - maybe it was good luck of that patient and others are not as lucky - or maybe he is about to be discovered as a great and affordable alternative to western FFS surgeons - its not clear yet until some people have taken the risk. I personally am not a risk-taker and prefer to have some security, even if it means higher costs. Others are more open to taking risks in the hope to get good results fast.

If I would look like a guy in drag all the time and have no money to afford FFS at the regular costs - eventually I probably would also take the risk and go to India, hoping that the results so far are representative of the work done there but basically not seeing any other option regardig the budget.... so the more desparate one is, the more willingness to take risks.

[2cherry]

The one Warlockmaker is referring to is pretty scary, and in Belgium

Kellie Maloney: Surgery nearly killed me and turned me into a monster (trigger)
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php?topic=178628.0

Mainly her own fault. She used blood thinners all through surgery, which lead to huge complications. Plus, she also had a rare and adverse effect from anesthesia, possibly allergy. She's just unlucky in that respect.

I had a $600 allergy study before surgery, to minimize such risks. They tested me on all allergic compounds. Maybe something to keep in mind. They discovered 3 compounds that I am allergic to. Never even heard about them.

I even avoided blood thinning foods and herbs 3 months before surgery, garlic is one of them.

Anyway, I think it's stupid not to tell your surgeon that you use blood thinners. It's common sense that you never use them while having surgery. At least, I hope that is "common sense"...

[anjaq]

Weird - would the surgeons not just do a blood test to see if there are allergies? When I was at Yeson, they did a blood test to check I am not allergic to the antibiotics they use and I had to confirm to them that I have no specific problems so far with anaesthesia and that I do not take blood thinners. The only rule I broke was that I kept taking my hormones - on advice of my endocrinologist, who said stopping htem would be worse than take them, which was only true for the transdermals though - it would have been different if I had been on hromone pills or antiandrogens

[Abbiem]

Well to learn the LESSON,
It is better to go to a qualified surgeon and pay lot f money then to go cheap.

[anjaq]

I would not say that expensive equals quality. The price also depends on location. A US surgeon is always more expensive than Euro and they more expensive than south american, an that is stimm more expensive than Thailand or India. Korea or Japan on the other hand are more expensive than other parts of Asia - but all of this goes along with the general price level. It also applies to hotels, services, food, expenses, wages,... A US surgeon needs to pay a lot more for the nurses and the clinic than a Thai surgeon. Which is why Suporn has personal nurses basically sitting at your bed during recovery from GRS while in other places like Germany you may have to wait 5 minutes after you push that button to call a nurse because there is only one for 20 patients.

But to say that one should look for quality first and not for the money, that makes sense. If choosing one of the best surgeons means it is more expensive, so be it. Its just really hard to find out which surgerons are really better than others. i tried for a while now but usually i run into people who love and cherish their surgeon who did them and recommend him to everyone as the best surgeon in the world - or people post before and after pictures with bald head and beard versus long hair and makeup and then say "this is before and after FFS" and it is hard to really see. I think it is really hard to find out which of the surgeons are really the best. There are a few names that appear regularly here in the firums, so it is a good assumtion that those are reputable and do good work, which of these names are better than others seems to be impossible to find out. To every surgeon there are people who love them and people who dislike them.

[Abbiem]

Many wear makeup that is not the issue.
Now what kind of look you want, the overdone look, or the normal.
I replied to you what the assistant of Doctor Rosi told me.
esp she said the ones where the brows appear very high, and barbie looking, is in USA.
Dr Rossi and many others seem to be very respectable surgeons along the ffs surgeons in USA, Europe, and in Asia there is Thailand, which i heard positive from. In South Korea there are not ffs surgeons, there is the small face ads everywhere, and clinic with no one speaking english. I have warned and i have went into nearly a trauma after it.
I do want to think now, before i put myself and just jump without question, i want quality now, and i want the best surgeon.
Well, speaking about India or South Korea, if a surgeon operate you 3 times times in one week and full anesthesia every 3 days because he have done wrong to your face, then it is not a surgeon, THAT IS A BUTCHER,  and i advise you not to go to India, there are no ffs in India.

[Abbiem]

Another thing pay 5000 dollars for ten operations in India, they will operate you if they did wrong every 3 days and you will be sleeping.
10000 for 4 operation in South Korea, cheap too, but doctors cant speak english, and 3 doctors operate on you, instead of one.
I can give you MORE CHEAP, GO TO NORTH KOREA, the cost of eyelid surgery double eyelids is 200 dollars. Now that is CHEAP, maybe you will meet the dictator too and you will sign a paper not to sue.

[Abbiem]

Thailand is another case in Asia, i been there but i didnot operate at all.
You know why, the doctor told me, lose weight then i will operate you.
and they speak english, yes it was cheap, but the ppl are friendly and english speaking.
And there are ffs surgeons in Thailand. And then you see positive results coming like here.
there is NOT ONE CASE from south korea on this forum, not from india too.
So, if you want try, try to go to North Korea too, if you want cheap.
I can give you a list of countries.

[anjaq]

Well to be honest - the overdone look - I have seen it from different surgeons. If a patients demands something to be done, few surgeons will deny it and loose a patient and customer. But there are some who are more willing to do this and some who actually will do it by themselves and then you have to tell them to not do so much. Its not an easy decision between too sublte changes and you get FFS and afterwards still look almost the same but had a lot of money and surgery - or doing more radical changes but also more risk of looking overdone. I think some of the US surgeons are doing more darical changes if requested to do. Dr O used to do quite radical face changes, I think Dr Z and Dr Spiegel also do that. This does not mean that they cannot do a more subtle change as well, it probably depends a lot on what you talk to them about. I think the Europeans, van der Dussen, van der Veen and Facialteam are trying more of a natural look . Europeans have a bit of a scepticism against plastic surgery and thus try to avoid looking like they have had something done on their faces. Asians I believe are trying to please the customer a lot - so they probably are more likely to do what you request and try not to tell you what to do or not do. So if you want higher arched brows they do it, as you wanted it, even if it looks not so good. You have to be very clear about what you want and what you do not want when doing FFS, even more so in Asia or in countries where language barriers exist.

There are at least a few surgeons in Thailand and also a few in India that offer FFS procedures. Little is known about it though, so unles sit is a well known name like Preecha, Suporn etc , it is hard to say if it is good. This is one result from India that I believe is done well, especially considering the situation before, they had to do quite a few changes and I think it looks not much different in the result than some of the US surgeons would manage to do. https://www.realself.com/review/designer-bodyz-mumbai-india-mtf-facial-feminization-surgery-42-year-mtf-facial

[Abbiem]

Well, i would never want to travel again where i travlled, i choose my destination.
Bad experience, tells me never again.

[anjaq]

Yes it sounds unpleasant. Asia is not having as many restrictions on medical stuff as US or Europe has. People can do surgeries there that would not be allowed to do so here. In Thailand they have a lot of small clinics that are way dangerous and that do surgeries for women or transsexuals for beautification and feminization, even GRS for $2000. One has to know which surgeons are trustworthy. In Korea I had great experience with Yeson for my voice, but I saw that they have a lot of cosmetic surgery clinics there and I believe there will be high class ones that charge as much as in the US but they probably also have others that are cheaper and less skilled and not well equipped. It is best to look for reviews of western patients who travelled there to see if sometihing is good as most of us cannot read korean or thai. India may be different as they have no real national language, so most people use english when talking about stuff that goes public. Still, western patients will compare those clinics with western clinics and surgeons and this makes more sense for other patients who are used to compare it that way either.

[Abbiem]

Yes, it is important to speak and tell what you want, the language barrier.
Another thing, iam not going to put myself again in those two countries, and iam very honest.
Iam going to calculate everything, right now for ex i will lose weight before i operate.
Third , the eyes, the most important for me, i cannot just be behind sunglasses after a surgery forever. So under all calculations i will do it.