Half GRS (Hermaphrodite) Procedure?

[BeerBurpGirl]

This might be an unusual question, but I'd like to know if it's possible to get GRS, but leave the penis intact? This is a serious question and not meant to offend anyone. 1 year into HRT and I still love women. My wife is a genetic woman and I find it is still nice to be able to give her pleasure with my penis. Yes, it still works fine for me. It's smaller and less firm, but still works just fine. In fact I can last a lot longer now. I've found that the sensations and mental state when I'm using my penis with her reminds me of what it would be like with a strap on. In fact my sensations have even started to move to this state which I imagine might be due to the HRT.

However, I also get immense pleasure from prostate orgasms that I can give myself externally by pushing into my testicle area. After some thought it might be nice to have both a vagina and penis. Perhaps one could say that I might even identify as a hermaphrodite. Are there any records of anyone transitioning to a hermaphrodite? I'm left wondering if this approach would also be less risky surgically speaking, which would be an added bonus of course!

Lastly it's worth noting that I'm not overly attached to my penis nearly as much as my wife is. I'd probably be happier getting the full GRS assuming the procedure were to go completely fine and there was no sensation loss or other complications.

[Jenna Marie]

The problem is that the base of the penis - and many of the important functional bits - is precisely where the vaginal canal would have to go. There's just no way to create a vagina and still leave a *functional* penis. It's possible to create a vulva with no vagina, so it might be *theoretically* possible to use the scrotal skin to do so while leaving the penis intact, but that doesn't sound like what you would want.

[BeerBurpGirl]

It might work, I don't really need much depth to hit that P spot. Is there a technical name for that procedure?

[Cindy]

I suspect that any surgeon would want you to go through therapy (as do TG women) with a qualified counsellor and obtain clearance letters before they would even contemplate the procedure. I also have a feeling that the well known surgeons would not be interested but I may be wrong.

I would strongly advise not going to an inexperienced surgeon as the consequences could be tragic.

[AnonyMs]

I spend a lot of time online for many years, and I've only ever heard occasional rumors of someone doing this. I doubt its possible, but even if it was it would be hugely risky. When you have SRS you're going to a surgeon who usually has a lot of practice using a well established technique. If you did anything different you'd basically be a research subject and I can't see that ending well.

I do know at least one surgeon who will refuse to do this, and I'm sure there's plenty more.

[Veda]

BeerBurpGirl,

I definitely identify as hermaphrodite nonbinary, mostly female.

I have a similar question to yours and for similar reasons.

Instead of vaginoplasty though, my thoughts were of having my testes replaced into my abdomen.

Maybe the medical term would be testicular abdominal replacement?

Think of it as a permanent form of tucking.

More in a while, short on time right now. Just wanted to comment when the thought was fresh.

[AnonyMs]

Instead of vaginoplasty though, my thoughts were of having my testes replaced into my abdomen.

I believe that increases the risk of cancer.

[Jenna Marie]

Well, the other thing is that even GRS surgeons don't remove the prostate, precisely because doing so is risky. There's a very high chance of impotence and incontinence when the prostate is messed with; the location is right in the middle of some very important nerves. (This is true for cis men who have prostate cancer removed, too, and I think if there were any good way to increase the likelihood of preserving nerve function, cis men trying to protect their penises would have found it. ) So it's unlikely that most surgeons would be willing to take the chance of excavating right up to the prostate - and if they did, you'd have a very high risk of losing the function you'd be undergoing the operation to preserve - and anything less than that would not be what you needed.

[Veda]

More...

Sorry for the previous brief post, my interest got the better of me, i did originally intend to bring the topic up myself, but what the heck, this is interesting, and I do like to wonder 'what if?'. 

Let me preface by stating that ANY medical procedure is serious and should not be done without as much knowledge and safety as possible.

My reasons for considering the idea of a 'testicular-abdominal replacement' (for lack of a better term) are as follows:

I first started to think of the idea while reading about 'Temperature-dependent sex determination', in which temperature is a main controlling factor in the type of hormones produced with Aromatase as the leading catalyst.  I then came across the medical definition 'cryptorchidism' (undescended testicles) in which the testicles do not produce sperm, and they may have limited androgen production.  My thinking is that with the proper estrogen therapy combined with constant warmth on the testes as a possible androgen blocker, the process of MTF could be easier.

As far as surgery goes (within my very limited knowledge), it seems the procedure would be relatively safe, akin to a double hernia repair combined with a vasectomy.

Now here is where I get all science-fictioney: If the concept could work, and given the proper advancements in medical science, then maybe it would be possible for me to grow my own ovaries.  And given the advancement maybe it could give my FTM brothers a way to grow their own testes.

Then there are the personal reasons I would have it done if it were safe: 1. I don't need them anymore, but given my reluctance to get rid of anything that may be useful to me in the future (potential ovaries), I would like to keep them stored in a nice safe place.  2. They just get in the way. I don't know if anyone else has experienced it, but having them caught between ones butt and a motorcycle tank when hitting the unseen pothole is just no fun at all. 3. I wouldn't have to tuck any longer.

As for now, I'll stick to tucking.

p.s. Thanks AnonyMs, I hadn't heard that, I'll look into it.

[veritatemfurto]

it's real, it's been done before (specifically for some european pornos), and I do recall a few posts that i interacted in from 2-4 years ago in the archives with links to the info you are looking for... otherwise there's Google...

[SadieBlake]

As far as I know this procedure has never been performed and whether or not one thinks it's a good idea (I've had fantasies of being hermaphroditic) i don't think it's a practical surgery for the reasons already noted by others.

I think anal intercourse is a pretty good option for those of us who want to play both roles sexually.

I did speak with my surgeon about keeping and inserting a testicle as part of the procedure, citing a woman I knew who had opted for that long ago and I was told it wouldn't be possible to replicate the necessary support structures and that there would be problems with post surgical adhesions and he said exogenous testosterone if I wanted that was the only safe route.

Bioengineering ovaries isn't that far away. I loaned my university library access to a friend who's bg is BE and interested in such. For my part I'd be so glad to have a vaginal canal that was like natal and hence a good environment for lactobacilli, however that's probably for the next generation of trans women.

[Veda]

I think ultimately the goal is to have the ability to reverse the biological gender process and start over in the correct direction.

Given current medical science I think practicality and safety are a good determining factor, I will go as far as I can safely go to have my body be as close to my true gender as possible.

Personally, having a penis isn't really necessary, though peeing standing up is a perk.   Neither is having a vagina, I figure I'll work with what I have.  I admit my hermaphrodite nonbinary alignment is mostly to do with self perception and wanting to look and feel feminine, and very little about the method intercourse, so I don't have a strong opinion on the physical aspect.