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What is to be a truly transgender?

Started by Luisa_2u, January 13, 2017, 08:31:02 PM

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Luisa_2u

I was to respond a thread (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,218785.0.html) but I though it was better to begin a new topic and here I am.
Let me talk about me... I know it will sound confusing as I didn't begin any session with a psychologist yet (looking forward to). I'm not saying I'm a perfect person and I don't have any issue regarding my sexuality or gender. I'm pretty sure that some of the things I'll write here I'll change my mind later... Like I said, I never was in therapist but I'm looking forward to as soon as possible.

I want to transition pretty much because I chose to be a woman. The thoughts about, I'd BORN a woman or, I was abused somehow, don't get into my mind. I just want to transition because I feel more comfortable being a woman. I don't remember wanting to be a girl when I was a kid, or being abused somehow. I don't hate my actual body, but I'm really looking forward to change it. I'll look 200% more beautiful (at least for me).
Nowadays, people are beginning to change their bodies with technologies. With chips and so... They're passing their own nightmare too with people saying god forbids it and so on... If they can think that in the future, people will be pretty much the opposite and instead of being against it, everybody will want to modify their bodies too to improve health and strengths and so on, I too want to think that in the future, no one will feel ashamed of wanting to transition, and everybody will want to too.  I feel pretty much like this. I want to change my body because I want to, because I chose to. Because I can, because I, as a human being, can!
It's not because I born with a penis that I need to kill a lion with my bare hands everyday. And who said cis women can't do it? Even if they lack all the muscular/hormone things, we can always modify our body.

That's what I'm talking about... People say we need to accept and act the way we are born, so if you born a male, to be masculine and vice versa. Why no one talk about intersex people? Because no one knows what to say, because this way of thinking is wrong, but they don't admit it because they are scared of god punishing them.

We are like pioneers, doing the hard stuffs educating people and fighting for what we believe. The way a civilization think is not forever, someday in a future no one will care if you want to be a man or a woman at the middle of your life. But not for now.

If I want to change just because I think I'll look prettier as a woman, and because I love the fashion and none would be nice in my male's body, and so on, then I am 100% false transgender.
But you know what? I feel like trans and no one will convince me otherwise.

So what to say about my case? Am I dreaming? I'm the only one on this?
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AlyssaJ

Much of what you said is actually not unique to just you.  Many of us didn't experience that conflict in the earlier years of our lives. Choosing to transition to a woman because your more comfortable suggests that somewhere deep down there's probably more to your gender identity than you've even discovered yet.  That's where a therapist will help.  A good gender therapist will help you examine yourself and find peace with your gender identity. Once you've found that self-acceptance, that's when you can start moving down the road of transition.

However, transition is also not something to be taken lightly.  Getting piercings, inserting digital implants, etc. do change us in ways but not nearly as profoundly and invasively as gender transition. There's a lot of risk, a lot of pain, a lot of expense involved in transition.  It will change your life irrevocably. While the current gatekeeper model is not ideal and hopefully something better will come along, the reason for it makes some sense. Stories of those who transition and regret it are terribly painful to hear, but they are out there. Making sure that your comfort and desire to be a woman is more than just a passing fantasy or a manifestation of something else.

So I think your situation sounds very similar to that of other trans women I know, but until you go on that journey of guided self exploration, I think there will always be some doubt.  I strongly encourage you to see out a gender therapist and start that journey.
"I want to put myself out there, I want to make connections, I want to learn and if someone can get something out of my experience, I'm OK with that, too." - Laura Jane Grace

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kinz

Everyone has a story they tell about why they transitioned. It happens at all kinds of times—a lot of people explain that they were born that way, or otherwise felt it as early as they remember. For other people, it came with a heightened awareness of gender around puberty, and the realization that they were developing differently from the way that they wanted to be. For some, it wasn't until adulthood that they were able to put a label to how they felt. And people decide that transition is for them for many reasons—whether it's about the importance of being perceived as the correct gender by society, about having the right embodiment, about liking what you see in the mirror, or about performing your gender on your own terms.

So it's only natural that there would be variation in how people explain why they're trans. There are those who view it the same you might think about an endocrine disorder, an imbalance of hormones that just needs fixing. Those who have an unabiding surety in an internal sense of self and identity that includes a specific gender. Those for whom their overriding feeling is that their body is the wrong shape for their brain. And those for whom the social role they feel fits them best is not the one they were assigned. For some people, it's an immutable part of them, something they couldn't change about themselves even if they wanted to. Some for whom they wish it could change, and mourn that they feel it can't. And some for whom the whole thing feels like a reclamation, a choice, an active statement to the world not just about who they are but how they want to be.

And what's more, I think it's important that it's a story that people tell, and that people choose to tell. Because telling a story is not only about accurately recounting every single event that's occurred as it happened, but about picking the parts you tell and the parts you leave out. Using parts that you remember (and want to remember) and letting other parts that don't fit the story to fall away to be forgotten. No recollection of the past is perfect, or perfectly objective—it's all about the lens we use to see it in our mind's eye, and then communicate it to others. And to be clear, I don't think this is a bad thing; I think it's perfectly natural, not just when talking about trans issues but about anything at all that happens in our lives.

But I think it does mean that people have different ways of coping, of explaining themselves, of finding the positive in a frequently difficult and painful part of existing in an often cruel, unforgiving, and ignorant world. There's a comfort in the idea that you had no choice, that you were 'born this way', because it neatly rebuts anyone who would ever say, "Why would you choose this? Why can't you just be different?" But there's also an empowering story in choosing, in turning around and telling people that you're choosing to transition because you can, refusing to see being trans as being shameful, being lesser than or less valid than being cis, seeing it as a legitimate decision that you can make about your body because it's yours.

Reality is overrated. In the eyes of many, one of the most important things is being "genuine" or "real" or "natural", conforming to some kind of idea of how people should or are supposed to be, because that somehow makes it more true. But I've learned from someone important to me that these don't have to be important to everyone. And like you, Luisa, I think a lot about the ways that people can and will one day modify their bodies, both in ways that don't involve gender and ways that do. Many of the ways that we currently modify our bodies with things such as prosthetics (and even surgeries like SRS) are as ways of compensating for lost or unavailable functions, rather than giving us entirely new or additional functions that couldn't be achieved with an unmodified human body. But it's quite possible—perhaps even likely—that this will change in the near future, and I think we'd see in a world like that, people choosing to modify themselves.

I do (or at least can, when I'm choosing to view them in a particular light...it's always dependent on the story I tell!) think about changes due to hormones or surgeries in much the same light. It's about modifying my body to reflect what I want, because my body belongs to me. This story that I tell is not about me doing the 'right thing' according to others, it's not even really about 'gender identity', it's more like...a positive idea. That this is what I want. That there's nothing wrong or shameful with wanting it.

So I don't think you're alone. Transition is an investment in an image of yourself, and it, of course, represents a very large financial as well as personal commitment. Find peace with your story, find comfort in your needs, and consider—but ultimately trust—your own decisions. You know your own mind and body best.
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Luisa_2u

So, I don't know anyone who is trans or the like where I live. I searched seriously, at least on internet, and could not find anything about a person saying I'm a trans. I think people here in Brazil don't like seeing as trans. I, on the other hand, want to be recognized as a trans woman. I want people to know that I changed and tell that this is not a thing to be ashamed of. That I, being trans, am not an immoral person like 99% of the population here thinks a trans woman is. When I go to internet, the only thing I find is hookers. That piss me of so bad, because people only knows trans people as a hoe around here. That's what I want to change. I'm happy finding this forum, even if it is not in my natural language. But I really wish I could find trans people around here.

Of course I have dysphoria. I'm not 100% sure but, even that when I was a kid I didn't wanted to be a girl, I remember pretty much not fitting on a male's role, as people call it. I didn't have any real (boy)friends. I always felt more comfortable around girls, but at the same time discomfortable, as boys are not supposed to be around girls. So I was always alone until high school, as at this age boys and girls tend to be more together.

There was a person here at this forum who said that maybe I always had dysphoria as a kid, but somehow I managed to hide it even from me this whole time.
So I'm not saying that I'm totally different from others trans people, it's just that I don't feel totally alike.
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MeTony

I realized when I was 10 years old that I was born a girl. I had been a boy until then. I got depressed and was depressed until I was about 20 years old and got a job. I lived with a girl at that time, she got mad at me for getting a "man's job" and we like broke up. I was not in a relationship with her but she apparantly was with me. I thought we were just friends. Right.

I was drinking heavily while depressed. 10 years ago I had a name for this. FtM. I stopped drinking completely and have been more and more myself. I dress as I want and have stopped thinking about what other people say or think. 

Yesterday a store attendant called me Peter when I was picking up preordered stuff. Propably read the hand written note and guessed the rest.

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Tessa James

Quote from: Luisa_2u on January 15, 2017, 02:34:18 PM

So I'm not saying that I'm totally different from others trans people, it's just that I don't feel totally alike.

Luisa, 

Thank you for sharing your story and giving us some greater understanding of what life is like for you in Brazil.  The international perspectives shared here are a valuable part of learning about how different cultures deal with us.   

Exploring a world wide phenomena in relationship to our personal journey can be challenging.  We are often exposed to the more dominant stories or narratives that can get even further air time on simplified or sensational social media outlets.  I think we owe it to ourselves to recognize our unique personal lives are valid additions to the big picture of who is transgender.  We are amazingly diverse people from all kinds of places but I suggest none are more "truly transgender" than anyone else.   
Open, out and evolving queer trans person forever with HRT support since March 13, 2013
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Asche

Luisa, I am certain you are not alone, if only because the lists we read on Transgender Day of Remembrance always contain a lot of people from Brazil.  This not only means that there are a lot of transgender people in Brazil, but that there are organizations that track when some of them get killed.  (I'm also certain that TG people are getting killed in other countries, the lists simply reflect which countries have good reporting networks.)

I would suggest looking on-line for transgender organizations and LGBT and Gay rights organizations in Brazil.
"...  I think I'm great just the way I am, and so are you." -- Jazz Jennings



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Luisa_2u

Thanks everyone for all the words.

Quote from: Luisa_2u on January 13, 2017, 08:31:02 PM
I don't remember wanting to be a girl when I was a kid, or being abused somehow. I don't hate my actual body, but I'm really looking forward to change it.

So let me have a word about the things I said earlier.
In fact, I realized I don't like my body. Every time I see a woman's body I feel kind of sad, because I know that I will not have this body. I try not feel bad, I found out that there's lots of different women out there with their unique body. But them I think that if I made my mind when I was younger, things were better now.
But that's impossible. I was taught to see the world as I was told. That everyone living differently from what we lived was wrong. And that I was not to learn about anything different from what I was taught because was wrong. That's why I never did know about LGBT culture before my 20's.

I remember now, when I was a kid, I never liked the volume on my pants. I was always worried with shorts and jeans, because I thought "it" was too big. I see children nowadays and realized it was not big. The real problem is that "this" was there. Until today I feel sad about it. This "thing" over there... sometimes I really feel embarrassed on situations where men would not. So maybe it means that what I wrote about myself when as a kid. Not wanting to be a girl, it's because the way I was educated, forced me to not think about these things. Maybe I always get scolded when I tried to talk about these things. Maybe...

About not finding anyone around here, I found a forum on my country about crossdresser people, so it is a start.
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Tessa James

Good for you Luisa!  Reaching out and making contact and starting friendships takes energy and you seem to have plenty.

Yes, we have been taught ideas that simply are not true but come from a lack of education about the real world.  That can lead to feeling shameful about ourselves and that can be even more hurtful if we repeat the lies we once heard.  You are beautiful and deserve to tell your own life story and define yourself.
Open, out and evolving queer trans person forever with HRT support since March 13, 2013
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Luisa_2u

QuoteI want to transition pretty much because I chose to be a woman. The thoughts about, I'd BORN a woman or, I was abused somehow, don't get into my mind.

I said that on my first post and I want to explain things better.
First of all, now I know how idiot I was saying this. Being transgender is NOT a choice. But I was not totally different from what I think now.
I didn't born a man or woman. I born as a human being. I didn't know what is to be a boy or a girl. I was just someone. Growing up, I was told to act a certain way and to like certain things and so on. Sigmund Freud made a study about how the way a baby is raised can affect how a person can be on your adulthood. I don't want to enter on details about it so it doesn't go to a tiring post, but thing is, I made my own thinking about how I refused to be a man and now I'm transgender.
Maybe my mother oversexualized my acts when I was discovering my body. Maybe I learned that playing with my penis was wrong, that I had to hide it from everyone, and made me feel ashamed for having it. Because if I can't show it, I can't play with it and I can't ask or whatever about it made me think this as a disgusting thing.

Of course, maybe I'm being an idiot again here. But I want to talk about these things as this is the only way to understand this kind of things. And of course, no one is treated equally, and even by the same mother, children are not equals. So, the way I grown up was different from my brother for lots of motives. The way he saw and understood the world, his friends, how he was raised, what he needed to do, was all different from what me or my sister had to face. So maybe that's why he's way different than me, even if he resembles me by face.

So now, my line of thinking is:
I didn't born a woman or a man, I born as a human being. Growing up I learned what is to be a woman or a man, and I tried to fit the group everyone said I was in. I was a children, children are not allowed to decide their way, parents are (of course I don't totally agree with this affirmative). So I had to fit on a male's role. Thing is, I don't want anymore. I want to be a woman. Being on XX chromosome or having a penis doesn't make me a man. But, if this was a convention agreement, that being on XX chromosome or having a penis makes me on the group of male. So I am a trans woman. A transgender person is not a false man or a false woman. If it was not conventionally agreed that the chromosome was the thing to separate man for woman. Or their sexual organs, and so on. Then no one would care if I told them "I am a woman". And no one would come saying "you're not a woman, you have a penis".

I feel sad about how no one cares to take action on these things. Or maybe they are. I dunno...
I just wanted to say these things...
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