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Garoux

Man, life can be so stressful.
I'm having a lot of trouble currently in regards to thinking about my gender and this website has so many helpful posts and comments about all topics transgender and I thought I'd finally make an account and see what you guys have to say about my situation.

I am 20 years old and I have grown up male all my life.  I've never been a super masculine person; never been super into sports at all, I've always been super empathetic and loving towards everyone, and I've always sort of had trouble fitting in in school and what not.  During middle school I had really long hair. I never really wanted to cut it for some reason after I hit 5th grade because I suddenly hated how a buzz cut looked on me.  Since middle school I pretty regularly grow my hair out fairly long and then get it cut because it eventually becomes a nuisance. 
I always had trouble with bullies in middle school and early high school, have struggled with anxiety since about 4th grade, and depression since middle school. 
I had never really struggled with gender all that much for most of my life. I sort of just accepted that this was the way everything had to be and I didn't have much of a problem with it.  In elementary school there were a few times I sneaked into the closet and would wear this skirt I had found at school once, but for the most part I was fairly gender conforming and never really had that many issues with being a boy.
In middle school like I said I always wanted my hair kept long and people sometimes bothered me and said it looked too girly, which was stressful but I really hated cutting my hair.
I've never really dressed super masculine, I've always worn skinny jeans and sweatshirts and flannels and mostly dark colors, but I've never really wanted to wear super bright feminine colors or anything.
In high school I often got made fun of for the first couple of years by my friends because of how anxious I was all the time and how fun it was to mess with me (both as a constant punch line for jokes, and also they'd often try to scare me because I had these anxiety-drive really fast automatic reflexes and I couldn't help it but they thought it was hilarious to mess with by waving a hand in front of my face or whatever, just mentioning because maybe all my problems are just anxiety and stress related for all I know).  Freshman year was pretty difficult in terms of my friends messing with me and what not. I was always depressed or anxious about something and it was always easy for them to latch onto that ->-bleeped-<- and make it funny.
Sometimes in high school when I had to wear suits and stuff to formal events I internally sort of hated wearing them. Idk why, but it's like I just hated the overmasculinized feeling of a suit.
But then in high school I sort of eventually starting doing somewhat Ok. I was pretty ok with my appearance, my flannels, my jeans and my hair and everything. I was fitting in alright and I had some real friends who didn't screw with me all day every day. I had a couple of really ->-bleeped-<-ty relationships, and I have currently been in a pretty good one with my girlfriend for almost 4 years now. 
Senior year I had a really great time, everything seemed happy and I had good friends and my relationship was great and I had fun classes and I didn't have much anxiety or depression or anything.
Things were mostly ok.
Then in college I got a job working as a cashier at Lowe's, I was seeing my girlfriend and friends often enough. (though I was stressed because ended up moving 19 hours away to go to school at her dream school, and this is still something that is hard to deal with and I might end up moving down there next year and putting a pause on my school for a while, but that is another issue entirely but in case this is maybe all just stress related I thought I'd mention it). 
But basically at some point probably around 1.5-2 years ago, I started really worrying that I was uncomfortable being male.  I think it started when I noticed I was starting to lose my hair. I now have the hairline probably ten to fifteen years older looking than it should, and I do my best to hide it but it is getting very difficult and contributes to a lot of stress and anxiety and depression issues. 
I started thinking every day practically about whether I might be transgender possibly, or maybe non-binary or something, idk. And now it's been 1.5-2 years of me thinking about it non-stop and I'm not really all that much closer to figuring out my head than I was before. 
Part of me really feels uncomfortable with being physically male sometimes. My body hair, my increasingly broad shoulders, my increasingly masculine and less boyish facial features etc. And part of me feels being uncomfortable always having to pretend to be more masculine than I actually feel inside. I feel like I get along with women so much better than men in a lot of ways, and it is really nice to be able to talk to them and not feel like I have to pretend to be this person I don't feel like. And sometimes I do really wish I had a female body and could just be female. And I really feel sometimes like if I had been born female, I wouldn't be having these feelings of worrying about my gender.
And this feeling some days is like off the walls crazy intense and I get convinced I must be at the very least non-binary and at the most transgender. But then days to a week or two goes by and all of a sudden I feel like everything is fine and I'm not really all that bothered by my male body or presentation that much for a few hours or a day or two (though I will always hate my balding head lol).
And it is just kind of frustrating. And sometimes it makes me feel really anxious or depressed. Sometimes I feel like multiday/week periods of depression are partially to the fault of these feelings.
I have two transgender friends. And because the trans community really is a small population, it seems like I think like I must be fooling myself into thinking these thoughts because how likely really would it be I would have two trans friends and then end up not being cis gender. Like the % of people that are trans is so small, so maybe I'm just worrying about this and making myself think I have problems I don't actually have.
But then I feel what seems like a genuine sense of dysphoria all the time and think maybe there is something to my thinking these things.
But gah. I don't want to be any kind of transgender.  It is so much easier if you just fit neatly into a socially acceptable category ;-;  I would prefer to just feel how I did around my senior year of high school when I felt like I fit in fairly ok and didn't worry about all this stuff. So many friends and family members would never treat me the same if I were hypothetically say trans or non-binary and actually presented as not male to the world. I know my girlfriend's mom would literally be disgusted with me for the rest of time because she's a super religious Filipino woman.
It is so stressful to always have to be worrying about how I feel like my identify actually fits in as. And its frustrating not feeling like I actually know what I am.  I feel like I change my personality depending on the people I'm around all the time and I never actually have a solidified feeling like "this is me".  When I'm around certain friends I end up acting much more feminine and feeling different, and when I'm around only my guy friends I end up being much more masculine and making jokes in a very bro-like fashion that sometimes feels like I'm acting.
I thought for a while I might be a cross-dresser, and maybe I just only need to feel feminine sometimes in order to make the feelings go away. (Which might be true for all I know, I've never really tried that a whole lot as a solution) And the thought of being female actually turned me on immensely for a while, not really the wearing of female clothes, but the idea of being female while having sex, and I thought that must be it and that it was just a fetish or something and that I was normal but had this sexual fetish which I could've totally just dealt with. But it kinda stopped being that for me and I still feel the other dysphoric-like feelings.
My girlfriend once put makeup on me and I felt all depressed. Like looking at myself in the mirror it was like this part of me that I could never be and like, this feeling of if I had been born female maybe I'd have looked kinda like this (but better). And it made me feel really sad. Because I will never look female.
But then later that night I pretty much felt ok and didn't have much dysphoria and didn't think about anything for a while.
I had been hoping I'd have a clicking feeling once I had makeup on, like maybe I'd figure out I was definitely not transgender or definitely something, but I don't feel like it really cleared much up for me, maybe it just made me even more confused.
Gah.
Am I just fooling myself and am just a perfectly normal level cisgender person? Am I actually trans but sometimes can just bury the dysphoric feelings better than others? Am I genderfluid? Am I somewhere in the middle of everything?
I don't know and it is scary and frustrating and I just want to feel comfortable in my skin every day.
I know I probably should go see a therapist (which I used to do all the time from fourth grade through middle school but haven't done a whole lot since then other than a few times), and maybe even a gender therapist. And I probably will do these things eventually, but I'm just wondering what you guys think, aside from thinking I am a bit of a mess, where you think I fall on the gender spectrum. 
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Danielle834

I'm in absolutely no position to diagnose, especially since I have only just begun to sort things out myself.  But no one has replied yet, so I'll chime in.  Your story sounds quite similar to mine only on a 20 year delay.  You sound gender fluid and more specifically fluid flux.  At least that's the conclusion I reached when I was feeling much like you are.  For me, as I got older, I felt less and less compelled to conform to prescribed gender roles (and mind you, I'm married with 5 kids!).  As I grew more comfortable with myself, I accepted my femininity more and more until the past year when I am happy to be trans.  Who knows where you'll end up, but you are still pretty young and for some (like me) it's a real long journey.  Most people are happy with their birth gender.  A lucky few come to terms with an alternate gender quite young.  For some of us, it just takes time to figure it all out.  The best bit of wisdom I can give you is to try and be comfortable with all the shades of your gender identity.  Overtime, you may find your way to the one that fits best.
DMAB: Dec 1977
First Signs: 1984
Self Acceptance: Oct 2016
Shared with Wife: Feb 2017
HRT: May 2017
Out at work: Nov 2017
Name Changed: Jan 2018
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Floof

Regardless where you end up on the spectrum, I think therapy is absolutely advisable and a great place to start. Was a huge help for me in sorting out who I needed to be and how to get there, and get a sort of order in the chaos of feelings I had bottled up inside me. You may very well just want to express a bit of low-key femininity, and that could be enough for you. Perhaps doing a bit of crossdressing alone at home is what you are looking for. Perhaps a full transition is in your future!

Regardless I would absolutely say that you should find a therapist -one with experience on gender issues if possible- to work through these feelings with, and keep in mind that you shouldn't go any further than you need to in order to be happy with who you are. Don't feel like you MUST go all the way and transition fully, that is an incredibly serious and huge commitment and should not be undertaken unless you have a lot of certainty on the matter. You are young and have plenty of time, I urge you to use it well by exploring yourself and your feelings on this.

Also, welcome to Susans and best of luck <3
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AshleyUSMC

Quote from: Garoux on February 20, 2017, 12:49:52 AM
Man, life can be so stressful.
I'm having a lot of trouble currently in regards to thinking about my gender and this website has so many helpful posts and comments about all topics transgender and I thought I'd finally make an account and see what you guys have to say about my situation.

I am 20 years old and I have grown up male all my life.  I've never been a super masculine person; never been super into sports at all, I've always been super empathetic and loving towards everyone, and I've always sort of had trouble fitting in in school and what not.  During middle school I had really long hair. I never really wanted to cut it for some reason after I hit 5th grade because I suddenly hated how a buzz cut looked on me.  Since middle school I pretty regularly grow my hair out fairly long and then get it cut because it eventually becomes a nuisance. 
I always had trouble with bullies in middle school and early high school, have struggled with anxiety since about 4th grade, and depression since middle school. 
I had never really struggled with gender all that much for most of my life. I sort of just accepted that this was the way everything had to be and I didn't have much of a problem with it.  In elementary school there were a few times I sneaked into the closet and would wear this skirt I had found at school once, but for the most part I was fairly gender conforming and never really had that many issues with being a boy.
In middle school like I said I always wanted my hair kept long and people sometimes bothered me and said it looked too girly, which was stressful but I really hated cutting my hair.
I've never really dressed super masculine, I've always worn skinny jeans and sweatshirts and flannels and mostly dark colors, but I've never really wanted to wear super bright feminine colors or anything.
In high school I often got made fun of for the first couple of years by my friends because of how anxious I was all the time and how fun it was to mess with me (both as a constant punch line for jokes, and also they'd often try to scare me because I had these anxiety-drive really fast automatic reflexes and I couldn't help it but they thought it was hilarious to mess with by waving a hand in front of my face or whatever, just mentioning because maybe all my problems are just anxiety and stress related for all I know).  Freshman year was pretty difficult in terms of my friends messing with me and what not. I was always depressed or anxious about something and it was always easy for them to latch onto that ->-bleeped-<- and make it funny.
Sometimes in high school when I had to wear suits and stuff to formal events I internally sort of hated wearing them. Idk why, but it's like I just hated the overmasculinized feeling of a suit.
But then in high school I sort of eventually starting doing somewhat Ok. I was pretty ok with my appearance, my flannels, my jeans and my hair and everything. I was fitting in alright and I had some real friends who didn't screw with me all day every day. I had a couple of really ->-bleeped-<-ty relationships, and I have currently been in a pretty good one with my girlfriend for almost 4 years now. 
Senior year I had a really great time, everything seemed happy and I had good friends and my relationship was great and I had fun classes and I didn't have much anxiety or depression or anything.
Things were mostly ok.
Then in college I got a job working as a cashier at Lowe's, I was seeing my girlfriend and friends often enough. (though I was stressed because ended up moving 19 hours away to go to school at her dream school, and this is still something that is hard to deal with and I might end up moving down there next year and putting a pause on my school for a while, but that is another issue entirely but in case this is maybe all just stress related I thought I'd mention it). 
But basically at some point probably around 1.5-2 years ago, I started really worrying that I was uncomfortable being male.  I think it started when I noticed I was starting to lose my hair. I now have the hairline probably ten to fifteen years older looking than it should, and I do my best to hide it but it is getting very difficult and contributes to a lot of stress and anxiety and depression issues. 
I started thinking every day practically about whether I might be transgender possibly, or maybe non-binary or something, idk. And now it's been 1.5-2 years of me thinking about it non-stop and I'm not really all that much closer to figuring out my head than I was before. 
Part of me really feels uncomfortable with being physically male sometimes. My body hair, my increasingly broad shoulders, my increasingly masculine and less boyish facial features etc. And part of me feels being uncomfortable always having to pretend to be more masculine than I actually feel inside. I feel like I get along with women so much better than men in a lot of ways, and it is really nice to be able to talk to them and not feel like I have to pretend to be this person I don't feel like. And sometimes I do really wish I had a female body and could just be female. And I really feel sometimes like if I had been born female, I wouldn't be having these feelings of worrying about my gender.
And this feeling some days is like off the walls crazy intense and I get convinced I must be at the very least non-binary and at the most transgender. But then days to a week or two goes by and all of a sudden I feel like everything is fine and I'm not really all that bothered by my male body or presentation that much for a few hours or a day or two (though I will always hate my balding head lol).
And it is just kind of frustrating. And sometimes it makes me feel really anxious or depressed. Sometimes I feel like multiday/week periods of depression are partially to the fault of these feelings.
I have two transgender friends. And because the trans community really is a small population, it seems like I think like I must be fooling myself into thinking these thoughts because how likely really would it be I would have two trans friends and then end up not being cis gender. Like the % of people that are trans is so small, so maybe I'm just worrying about this and making myself think I have problems I don't actually have.
But then I feel what seems like a genuine sense of dysphoria all the time and think maybe there is something to my thinking these things.
But gah. I don't want to be any kind of transgender.  It is so much easier if you just fit neatly into a socially acceptable category ;-;  I would prefer to just feel how I did around my senior year of high school when I felt like I fit in fairly ok and didn't worry about all this stuff. So many friends and family members would never treat me the same if I were hypothetically say trans or non-binary and actually presented as not male to the world. I know my girlfriend's mom would literally be disgusted with me for the rest of time because she's a super religious Filipino woman.
It is so stressful to always have to be worrying about how I feel like my identify actually fits in as. And its frustrating not feeling like I actually know what I am.  I feel like I change my personality depending on the people I'm around all the time and I never actually have a solidified feeling like "this is me".  When I'm around certain friends I end up acting much more feminine and feeling different, and when I'm around only my guy friends I end up being much more masculine and making jokes in a very bro-like fashion that sometimes feels like I'm acting.
I thought for a while I might be a cross-dresser, and maybe I just only need to feel feminine sometimes in order to make the feelings go away. (Which might be true for all I know, I've never really tried that a whole lot as a solution) And the thought of being female actually turned me on immensely for a while, not really the wearing of female clothes, but the idea of being female while having sex, and I thought that must be it and that it was just a fetish or something and that I was normal but had this sexual fetish which I could've totally just dealt with. But it kinda stopped being that for me and I still feel the other dysphoric-like feelings.
My girlfriend once put makeup on me and I felt all depressed. Like looking at myself in the mirror it was like this part of me that I could never be and like, this feeling of if I had been born female maybe I'd have looked kinda like this (but better). And it made me feel really sad. Because I will never look female.
But then later that night I pretty much felt ok and didn't have much dysphoria and didn't think about anything for a while.
I had been hoping I'd have a clicking feeling once I had makeup on, like maybe I'd figure out I was definitely not transgender or definitely something, but I don't feel like it really cleared much up for me, maybe it just made me even more confused.
Gah.
Am I just fooling myself and am just a perfectly normal level cisgender person? Am I actually trans but sometimes can just bury the dysphoric feelings better than others? Am I genderfluid? Am I somewhere in the middle of everything?
I don't know and it is scary and frustrating and I just want to feel comfortable in my skin every day.
I know I probably should go see a therapist (which I used to do all the time from fourth grade through middle school but haven't done a whole lot since then other than a few times), and maybe even a gender therapist. And I probably will do these things eventually, but I'm just wondering what you guys think, aside from thinking I am a bit of a mess, where you think I fall on the gender spectrum.

Disclaimer, by no means does what i say constitute as a diagnoses of any sort, it is recommended that you speak to a professional as they specialize in psychiatric care. I would personally recommend DR. Graham. he is strictly an online based therapy, he uses instant messenger and skype if needed.

Now, it sounds to me that you may be gender non conforming. Which means you dont conform to either female or male on the gender spectrum. I dont personally know who you are but from what you have posted, that would be my best guess. Normally transgenders experience dysphoria around when puberty hits them, due to large amount of testosterone surging through their bodies and because transgenders were born with a female brain, the brain has only estrogen receptors, when the testosterone gets to the brain, the brain sends a distress signal back saying something is wrong because I'm not getting the estrogen I require. A lot of Transgender people go years without doing anything about it. if you feel that you may fit in the category, than you may be transgender. Something to think about, have you gravitated towards girl stuff as a child? For example for me, when I was in 4 grade, i saw a bunch of girls doing make up in the gym during after school care, and I really wanted to join in and put make up on, when the girls put make up on me i remember feeling excited. I also played with barbies a lot when i was in daycare, and I mainly hung around girls my entire school career. I envoy the way women look in their clothes and I wish and pray that i could wake up one morning as a cis born girl. I hope this helps put things in perspective for you! Its difficult when you start to question who you are as a person, but as i said, DR. Graham is available, hes 50 dollars a session or 45 dollars a session if you buy 2 or more sessions at once.
Love
Ashley <3
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josie76

Seeing a therapist who has gender Dysphoria work experience is a great idea. You can look on the psychology today website and search for therapists in your area and by if they have transgender experience. I would strongly recommend doing therapy in person. The therapist can help you work through all of your life emotions. They can help you search for what is right for you, not just gender wise but relationship and life choice wise as well.

If you are in the trans spectrum deciding whether to make any changes in your life or body is not a simple decision, nor should it be. You really do need someone trained to help you figure out your innermost feelings.
04/26/2018 bi-lateral orchiectomy

A lifetime of depression and repressed emotions is nothing more than existence. I for one want to live now not just exist!

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Jacqueline

Garoux,

Welcome to the site. It's good to see you here and it takes some effort and bravery to say the things you did.

Like everyone else said, I cannot diagnose you. Some would say that only you can do that. Therapists are really very helpful. They guide us through the tough, unclear ideas that jump in our heads. Usually it is about self discovery so we can figure out for ourselves what/where we are on any spectrum.

I don't really know anyone who wanted to be trans to start with. We can empathize with that feeling. However, we have to figure out what we can do to make life better. I can tell you that gender fluid and a fully transitioning trans person are typically considered under the umbrella of trans. I can also say that most people believe that simply by questioning this and posting here would pretty much put you on the trans spectrum. Most cis people might wonder what it might be like to be a different gender but don't typically wonder if they are...

Acceptance is an elusive thing until you work through this. For example, I thought I was a cross dresser when I first was trying to nail this all down. Turns out I am further along the feminine side of the spectrum. I am not too bright, it took me till I was 50 to start trying to figure out what was "wrong with me". It will not be easy, sorry. What is, that is worth anything?

I also want to share some links with you. They are mostly welcome information and the rules that govern the site. If you have not had a chance to look through them, please take a moment:

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With warmth,

Joanna


PS Floof, I really like your new avatar photo. The other one was fun but this is really nice.
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Janes Groove

Welcome to the club Garoux.  It's obvious from all the energy you have put into writing your post you are interested in exploring your gender identity.  This is a great place to do it. It's all a journey. My advice? Relax.  Give yourself permission to have fun with it.  And don't forget to breathe.  Our society tends to place a lot of shame around gender where none is needed.  Probably a good idea to talk to a gender therapist specializing in these issues. And be sure to stop and smell the roses on the way.
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Garoux

Man, you guys are such a good community of people. Every comment to posts on this site is so supportive and warm and full of encouragement.
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MaybeJessica

Several things resonated with me - being upset about aging, hair loss, feeling more comfortable socializing with women, some other things.  The makeup part of your story saddens me though, because I, like probably many, many people, was hoping for such an "aha!" moment around the corner, once you let it happen by trying something; in my case, I was going to try painting my toenails but couldn't until maybe later tonight.  In the meantime I increased my Zoloft to 100mg yesterday at the recommendation of my psychiatrist due to anxiety (and I agreed eagerly in case this has all been T-OCD), and anyway, something has made the...urgency...of the thinking lessen.  So, oh well, maybe I'm cis or just desire to crossdress and instead of an "aha!" moment I got a "yeah, whatever, who cares" moment.

Good luck figuring everything out, and definitely see a gender therapist, especially if the stress or thoughts get to be painful to your soul.
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TomTuttle

I empathise with some of the things your saying. For me, I very much wanted to be a boy until I just accepted I was a girl. I was never okay as a young teen because I was trying to seem normal really hard. I hate female roles and I don't fit with girls. I hate feminine things they like and they see me as some weird enigma. I am okay with my body as my vessel that carries me around, I just get annoyed at the look of it sometimes because I never want to look feminine like I do. Sometimes it looks good but often I just don't actually want it that way. A little more androgyny would be acceptable, like, it would be nice if I was just flat-chested and didn't have a weird conflict about my boobs being fairly impressive and somewhat enjoyable as things but always ruining my image of myself. I imagine its the same feeling about your male features that have become more pronounced  - they're there and objectively okay most of the time but if they had never appeared you'd just have less problems.
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