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What happens to the old me?

Started by scoot62, January 26, 2017, 05:53:29 PM

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scoot62

As an older man thinking of transitioning I find one of the biggest hurdles is contemplating the loss of my sense of self. What happens to the grandpa and dad and brother and son dynamic and will me expressing my truest nature cause so much upheaval in my life to be counter productive.

I've discussed this with my therapist and have as of yet not been able to get my head ok with my hearts wishes. I don't know. Maybe my vision of my self worth is tied up too much in the roles I've played over the years. I'm 55 and want to experience as much of my desires in life in the years I have remaining but am hesitant to lose these other relationships in the process.

I just wondered if any other trans woman had  any advice on dealing with, essentially the death of one person to conceive another. That may be slightly dramatic but at times that's what it seems like to me. I'm new here, just today in fact. Seeking support and community and maybe an answer or two to some questions. Thanks


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Dena

Welcome to Susan's Place. It really boils down to how well you will be accepted by the others in your family. If you are accepted, the odds are that your links with you family will become stronger. If you aren't accepted, you will be limited to the new contacts you develop post transition. Depending on the degree of discomfort you experience, one possible solution might be HRT without a transition. Blocking Testosterone will dampen the drive but it varies from person to person how much relief you will get.

I transitioned much younger but my dysphoria was so strong that my only option was to transition. I decided early on that I might lose everything I had up to that point in life but there was no other option for me. Not everybody has feelings that strong and if you don't, you might find other options.

Possibly you might try sounding out member of the family with discussions of transgender news items. Should you find that enough people are accepting, you will have your answer. In my case, I retained my family though there were times they were not fully accepting.

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Tessa James

Welcome aboard Scoot,

Way to jump into the deep end of the pool!  Yes, there is potential for huge loss and you can read about plenty of that right here.  My therapist asked me what I was willing to give up to transition and said "it could feel like you lose everything".  I have friends for whom that seems tragically true.

Some of us refer to our former name as "my dead name".  Family and friends have said it felt like I killed Jim and that they really miss him.  They have legitimate reasons to grieve IMO.  It feels bad to know my truth has consequences that some feel angry and hateful about.  My Jim was an act, a caricature and puppet.  He is gone and I am free.  The memories and experience endure.

What we can not know is how much it will mean to you to be living and knowing yourself as real, right and authentic.  What is the value of living free of a hideous secret that keeps anyone from really knowing who we are?  What price freedom dear friend?
Open, out and evolving queer trans person forever with HRT support since March 13, 2013
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scoot62

Quote from: Tessa James on January 26, 2017, 06:22:38 PM
Welcome aboard Scoot,

Way to jump into the deep end of the pool!  Yes, there is potential for huge loss and you can read about plenty of that right here.  My therapist asked me what I was willing to give up to transition and said "it could feel like you lose everything".  I have friends for whom that seems tragically true.

Some of us refer to our former name as "my dead name".  Family and friends have said it felt like I killed Jim and that they really miss him.  They have legitimate reasons to grieve IMO.  It feels bad to know my truth has consequences that some feel angry and hateful about.  My Jim was an act, a caricature and puppet.  He is gone and I am free.  The memories and experience endure.

What we can not know is how much it will mean to you to be living and knowing yourself as real, right and authentic.  What is the value of living free of a hideous secret that keeps anyone from really knowing who we are?  What price freedom dear friend?

I appreciate the insight. What does the acronym IMO mean? I see a lot of abbreviations and some terms I'm not familiar with in some of these threads. I've listened to so many podcasts and read a lot over the last several years and am still learning lol.

Growing up in a highly conservative family it was just recently, probably ten years ago, that I could even conceive of doing this or was aware of the procedures or alternatives. It seems daunting to even consider it yet I know I'm not happy. I have to do something. Just not sure what.

Once again, thank you for taking the time to respond. [emoji2]


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scoot62

Quote from: Dena on January 26, 2017, 06:07:32 PM
Welcome to Susan's Place. It really boils down to how well you will be accepted by the others in your family. If you are accepted, the odds are that your links with you family will become stronger. If you aren't accepted, you will be limited to the new contacts you develop post transition. Depending on the degree of discomfort you experience, one possible solution might be HRT without a transition. Blocking Testosterone will dampen the drive but it varies from person to person how much relief you will get.

I transitioned much younger but my dysphoria was so strong that my only option was to transition. I decided early on that I might lose everything I had up to that point in life but there was no other option for me. Not everybody has feelings that strong and if you don't, you might find other options.

Possibly you might try sounding out member of the family with discussions of transgender news items. Should you find that enough people are accepting, you will have your answer. In my case, I retained my family though there were times they were not fully accepting.

We issue to all new members the following links so you will best be able to use the web site.

Things that you should read


Thank you so much for the response. I will definitely check out all those links but from what I've read of them so far they seem pretty common sense and straight forward. I would think transitioning before starting a family might be easier but then I know at that young age I want nearly as self assured and unconcerned with others opinions as I am now. It'll all work out I'm sure. I just need to talk it through. The heart gets what the heart wants somehow. That's been my experience over the years.


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JeanetteLW

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Quote from: scoot62 on January 26, 2017, 06:46:45 PM
What does the acronym IMO mean?

Hi Scoot, Welcome Susan's place. I am new here myself.

To answer the "IMO" question .. in this case it means "In My Opinion" 

   I am 64, I too, like most of us, have a long history we have created over the years. We have friends and family that know us only as our male persona.  How transitioning will affect those relationships is something I am sure we all have worried over. I think the actual outcomes are something we can think we know, but is something that we really won't know for sure except by experiencing it once we take the plunge and come out to them.
   I am a grandfather to 5 youngins and a father of course, I have several close friends and family that have no clue of the person I really am. Those are the ones I agonize over. I love them and don't want to alienate them nor be alienated by them. Others I know do not really matter to me.
   But after all these years of agonizing and hiding I started doing hrt. I've told my doctor last week, and have made an appointment to talk to a psychiatrist as a first step to getting gender therapy. I didn't undertake this process lightly and I could still halt it. But I do not want to. I want to follow this path and see where it will take me. I have thrown the dice and am betting on what turns up will be the result I want. I'm sure not all will understand and some will choose ti end our relationship. I can't help that. But I have decided that I can live with the consequences in order to finally be who I want to be.
  I wish you luck on your personal journey. It will be what you choose to accept it to be. You will do what you need to do when the need to do it overcomes the pain of not doing it.
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MissGendered

Hi Scoot!

Congratulations on taking the first steps in your journey, it took courage to see a therapist and open up, and even more to dive in here with others with similar issues.

We all want to know how things will turn out when we start down our roads away from the unhappiness that plagues us, and we wish to understand the consequences of seeking peace in advance. But, one thing I learned, and it seems to be a common experience, is that I was wrong about more things than I was right, lol. Sure, I was certain of a few things that played out as I thought they would, but those were the exception.

You wonder what happens to your 'old self' when you allow yourself to change? Well, for me, it was like a snake shedding its skin. The bulk of the snake remains, but the outward things are renewed and refreshed and vital again. How much you change on the inside seems to be different for everybody, but I will say this, I can't remember any transitioner saying they changed into a worse person, or an unhappier, less peaceful soul. Yes, for some, the journey to authenticity comes with upheaval, and chaos, and loss, and even hostility from those that they thought loved them and valued them. But, that hostility, if it comes, comes from outside of us, it is only slightly within our control.

The first time I 'outed' myself, pre-transition, was at a party with a group of mostly male friends. One guy had started saying horrid things about a female friend of ours, because she is a lesbian. I could have just played along, but something inside me had had enough, and I stopped him mid-slander, and told him I found what he said offensive. He was shocked, and asked me why it was bothering me. "Because I am a lesbian, too, and I can't let you run down one of my sisters". Everybody stopped what they were doing, and all eyes were on me. Why? Because I was the alpha male in that gang, and I looked the part. The next hour was spent explaining that I was really a woman, and that they better get used to that fact.

My point?

There comes a point, when telling the truth means more to a person than basking in the false glories of a lie well-lived. Maybe you won't reach that point for many more years, maybe you are almost there now. Only you and your therapist can really know what kind of timetable will work for you.

Some girls are able to balance things in such a way as to get a LOT of relief without making any waves at all. Others, like myself, try this, and find that eventually, there is nothing short of a tidal wave that will do..

IMO, (in my opinion), living the lies that others believe was not an option, but I didn't have kids or grandkids or any investment in anybody but my spouse.

Good luck with your search, I hope you find your peace, keep your loves, and improve all your relationships..

Missy
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scoot62

Quote from: JeanetteLW on January 26, 2017, 07:23:11 PM
Hi Scoot, Welcome Susan's place. I am new here myself.

To answer the "IMO" question .. in this case it means "In My Opinion" 

   I am 64, I too, like most of us, have a long history we have created over they years. We have friends and family that know us only as our male persona  How transitioning will affect those relationships is something I am sure we all have worried over. I think the actual outcomes are something we can think we know ,but is something that we really won't know for sure except by experiencing it once we take the plunge and come out to them.
   I am a grandfather to 5 youngins and a father of course, I have several close friends and family that have no clue of the person I really am. Those are the ones I agonize over. I love them and don't want to alienate them nor be alienated by them. Others I know do not really matter to me.
   But after all these years of agonizing and hiding I started doing hrt. I've told my doctor last week, and have made an appointment to talk to a psychiatrist as a first step to getting gender therapy. I didn't undertake this process lightly and I could still halt it. But I do not want to. I want to follow this path and see where it will take me. I have thrown the dice and am betting on what turns up will be the result I want. I'm sure not all will understand and some will choose ti end our relationship. I can't help that. But I have decided that I can live with the consequences in order to finally be who I want to be.
  I wish you luck on your personal journey. It will be what you choose to accept it to be. You will do what you need to do when the need to do it overcomes the pain of not doing it.

Thank you for sharing what appears to be a very similar situation. I knew that there were others who would relate to my circumstances. It's been hard just taking the few small steps that I have. I appreciate your honesty and candor and wish you all the best as well. Hugs


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scoot62

Quote from: MissGendered on January 26, 2017, 07:27:40 PM
Hi Scoot!

Congratulations on taking the first steps in your journey, it took courage to see a therapist and open up, and even more to dive in here with others with similar issues.

We all want to know how things will turn out when we start down our roads away from the unhappiness that plagues us, and we wish to understand the consequences of seeking peace in advance. But, one thing I learned, and it seems to be a common experience, is that I was wrong about more things than I was right, lol. Sure, I was certain of a few things that played out as I thought they would, but those were the exception.

You wonder what happens to your 'old self' when you allow yourself to change? Well, for me, it was like a snake shedding its skin. The bulk of the snake remains, but the outward things are renewed and refreshed and vital again. How much you change on the inside seems to be different for everybody, but I will say this, I can't remember any transitioner saying they changed into a worse person, or an unhappier, less peaceful soul. Yes, for some, the journey to authenticity comes with upheaval, and chaos, and loss, and even hostility from those that they thought loved them and valued them. But, that hostility, if it comes, comes from outside of us, it is only slightly within our control.

The first time I 'outed' myself, pre-transition, was at a party with a group of mostly male friends. One guy had started saying horrid things about a female friend of ours, because she is a lesbian. I could have just played along, but something inside me had had enough, and I stopped him mid-slander, and told him I found what he said offensive. He was shocked, and asked me why it was bothering me. "Because I am a lesbian, too, and I can't let you run down one of my sisters". Everybody stopped what they were doing, and all eyes were on me. Why? Because I was the alpha male in that gang, and I looked the part. The next hour was spent explaining that I was really a woman, and that they better get used to that fact.

My point?

There comes a point, when telling the truth means more to a person than basking in the false glories of a lie well-lived. Maybe you won't reach that point for many more years, maybe you are almost there now. Only you and your therapist can really know what kind of timetable will work for you.

Some girls are able to balance things in such a way as to get a LOT of relief without making any waves at all. Others, like myself, try this, and find that eventually, there is nothing short of a tidal wave that will do..

IMO, (in my opinion), living the lies that others believe was not an option, but I didn't have kids or grandkids or any investment in anybody but my spouse.

Good luck with your search, I hope you find your peace, keep your loves, and improve all your relationships..

Missy

Thanks, it all seems so confusing at times. Maybe do this but not that. Hormones or surgery or whatever. It's hard to know where to start. I'm so thankful to have people to talk to. I'm in tears here. Silly I know but... IMO it's ok to cry lol


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flytrap

"What happens to the old me?" I faced this question for the first 7 years of trauma recovery therapy. As the only girl in my Multiple Personality Disorder System the prospect of integration, fusion and the death of who I am was terrifying.

The bubble burst when I had a breakdown this past fall. Each of the 5 alters in my System have grown too big to put back us all back into a solitary personality. The horrible thing that happened to me as a child are integral to who I am. And the Ego is not willing to let go to heal.
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scoot62

Quote from: flytrap on January 26, 2017, 08:02:14 PM
"What happens to the old me?" I faced this question for the first 7 years of trauma recovery therapy. As the only girl in my Multiple Personality Disorder System the prospect of integration, fusion and the death of who I am was terrifying.

The bubble burst when I had a breakdown this past fall. Each of the 5 alters in my System have grown too big to put back us all back into a solitary personality. The horrible thing that happened to me as a child are integral to who I am. And the Ego is not willing to let go to heal.

I'm sorry, I don't have any personal frame of reference to address this response but I appreciate you sharing it with me and wish you the best of luck


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JeanetteLW

Quote from: MissGendered on January 26, 2017, 07:27:40 PM


My point?

There comes a point, when telling the truth means more to a person than basking in the false glories of a lie well-lived. Maybe you won't reach that point for many more years, maybe you are almost there now. Only you and your therapist can really know what kind of timetable will work for you.

Some girls are able to balance things in such a way as to get a LOT of relief without making any waves at all. Others, like myself, try this, and find that eventually, there is nothing short of a tidal wave that will do..

IMO, (in my opinion), living the lies that others believe was not an option, but I didn't have kids or grandkids or any investment in anybody but my spouse.

Good luck with your search, I hope you find your peace, keep your loves, and improve all your relationships..

Missy

Dang it MJissy. You brought tears to my eyes.
(There's been a lot of that lately. I wonder why.....)

Jeanette
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MissGendered

Quote from: JeanetteLW on January 26, 2017, 08:23:43 PM
Dang it MJissy. You brought tears to my eyes.
(There's been a lot of that lately. I wonder why.....)

Jeanette

((HUG))

Let them flow, sweetheart, let them flow...
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Kylo

Some people are cool with their past life and just consider it exactly like that concept "a past life"... others want to completely purge all the memories and people who knew them and start over. Depending on how your environment is, sometimes starting over again is all you can do. What happens to the old you in your mind is up to you though. What happens to the old you in others' minds is going to be up to them.

I'm not old enough or involved with other people enough to have the same sort of concerns about your role that you talked about, but self-worth needs to come from yourself as much as other people. It sounds like you were there for others your whole life and deserve to be who you are after a half century of that.
"If the freedom of speech is taken away, then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter."
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scoot62

Quote from: Kylo on January 26, 2017, 08:37:54 PM
Some people are cool with their past life and just consider it exactly like that concept "a past life"... others want to completely purge all the memories and people who knew them and start over. Depending on how your environment is, sometimes starting over again is all you can do. What happens to the old you in your mind is up to you though. What happens to the old you in others' minds is going to be up to them.

I'm not old enough or involved with other people enough to have the same sort of concerns about your role that you talked about, but self-worth needs to come from yourself as much as other people. It sounds like you were there for others your whole life and deserve to be who you are after a half century of that.

Thank you. I appreciate you taking the time to respond. I do deserve to be happy!!!!


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