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Started by Kylo, February 06, 2017, 07:46:50 PM

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Kylo

I'm curious whether anyone here found they had a typical dynamic with siblings (if you've got any) of your target gender, back from when you were basically too young to have understood the full effects and implications of being trans.

By typical I mean the sort you see in others around you in your particular country or culture, of the gender you ID as. I know there's really no "typical" way for kids to behave with their siblings, but where I am, it's fairly typical for two sisters to be close, for example. And how did you feel about your siblings?

I was a "divorce kid" and all my siblings are half siblings. I haven't even met the last one because they're on my dad's side but I was raised with my half-sister and I was the oldest kid of both my mother and bio father. They expected me to get along with my sister right away, which I didn't really do. I figured she was my "replacement", and my parents were in the mental doghouse for that for a while. As she got older, she followed me around everywhere and I guess I acted very much the typical tyrannical older brother, playing pranks on her, raging when she went in my room and walked off with my stuff, and annoyed she had to hang around with me when I went out to play. But we did have a lot of adventures together and I knew I was basically responsible for her safety. That didn't stop me doing some real stupid things like climbing into abandoned buildings and letting her ride a strange horse because she really, really wanted to and I figured I could befriend it. But we're both still here, so it's all good.

I think it kinda hit home that I wasn't really "the sister" one day when I was complaining about her as usual, and then she said some kid was bullying her in her new school. Not even sure where it came from but it was like "who? when? tell me who they are and I'll kill them." It was very much a case of nobody rags on my sister but me. Very typical brother behavior as I found out later. She drove me absolutely nuts (and still does sometimes lol) as kids but I still react the same way now if someone was bothering her. We didn't get along much at all for the first 16 years but now we're probably the closest family members left. I still tend to be very cocky with her and mess with her a bit, but I'm actually surprised how protective I feel. She has her own family now and that's a weird feeling, almost a little like competition.

My half-brother I wasn't sure what to make of back in the day because I didn't see him much, on my dad's side. There was favoritism for him there, but I put up with it and learned to get along with him. It was a strange situation because I never really trusted my dad, and my bro adored him.... he got hugely upset one day when I said I didn't know what to think of my dad, given the bad stories from my mum's side so I felt like I was the stranger there and the one that didn't fit. We used to play console games together, read comics and talk about stuff we weren't supposed to. Even found my dad's not-so-carefully hidden French "art books" which were hilarious. It was very much an older-younger brother kind of thing.

The other siblings I don't really know. I left the city my dad lived in when my mother's family moved and I never saw them since. Was kind of awkward. Talked to a couple of them a few years back. One's in the military now I guess.

The more I think about it, the more obvious the dynamics seem to be. Being the oldest kid does place you in a position of power, so to speak. You can influence your siblings rather than the other way around -- I wonder if it would have gone anywhere near as smoothly if I'd had an older brother telling me what to do (hell, there might have been hospital visits), or an older sister's influence. It's hard to imagine; I think the order you come out and the place you have in the family does affect your personality to a degree. Your parents expectations are heavier when you're first; you have to look after the others... or you can be somewhere between a guardian and a terrorist like I was, lol.

And then I look at my friends who are only children, and how different it is for them. I wonder how being a trans only child feels? Or the youngest trans child? Or the middle one?

As the eldest I was pretty much free to do whatever I wanted; and I did. But they also couldn't wait to get rid of me and since I have no kids of my own, I'm kind of ... forgotten now. I guess freedom is lonely.



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MissGendered

Kylo,

My two sister are older than me. They loved me dearly when I was little, and my oldest sister taught me to read starting at two. Both of them would dress me up in girl clothes until I was about 4 and a half, when my father put his foot down and assumed the role of gender-cop. My female cousins and I also played with dolls together, played house together, and I was allowed to do that whenever my father wasn't around. We were three sisters then, and are again now.

After my father began his reign of terror, I was forced to act like a boy and I was stuck with my brothers all the time. One was a sexually abusing psychpath, the other a hyper-active, torturing sociopath. But, hey, they were 'guys', and my father wasn't going to allow any 'son' of his to run around acting like an F-word. It was brutal.

Funny thing, though, my sister that is 4 years older than me, she would do what you did, she would beat up any guy that messed with me, and say 'nobody beats up my baby brother, except me'. She was quite a tomboy, and was also perhaps exposed to progestins while in utero, but even though she exhibits many symptoms, she rejects any idea of looking into it. She has too much to lose, she figures, and nothing to gain.

Missy
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MeTony

I'm the oldest one. I beat up other kids that messed with my siblings. I protected my 4 y younger sister against my abusive father. I took the beating instead of her. Took all the blame for all things she did wrong.

I was diagnosed with ADHD when I was older. Maybe that makes me do before I think. But if I was to re-live my life. I'd still protect her.

I beat two teasing guys at school until they went home. Not proud of it. My teacher smiled and said "Girl power!"  Strange teacher.  I was so tired of them teasing me.
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Elis

I only have one sibling, a brother 2 years older than me who I grew up with. Looking back I guess you'd say it was a typical little brother/older brother relationship. We went to the shops together when we were children and bought and traded Pokemon cards together. I played with his male friends as my male friends from School didn't live close by and played soldiers using toy guns. I'd follow him around which irritated him. As we got older the dynamic changed and he realised I was meant to and should act like a girl; while I was clueless and wondered why he suddenly wanted nothing to do with me. We now have absolutely nothing in common, don't talk and he doesn't accept me.
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Kylo

Yeah, when kids are young even the parents treat them more neutrally --- then suddenly they get to a certain age and even if the kid themselves are not ready for it the parents stop playing games with them or stop doing this or that. That always struck me as sad. Like when fathers stop treating daughters like they would if they were their sons suddenly because they expect they're all going to be into makeup and boys or something, even if they're not. They suddenly lose interest in being with them and instead start getting paranoid about the males they hang out with.





"If the freedom of speech is taken away, then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter."
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MissGendered

Quote from: Kylo on February 07, 2017, 07:19:17 AM
Yeah, when kids are young even the parents treat them more neutrally --- then suddenly they get to a certain age and even if the kid themselves are not ready for it the parents stop playing games with them or stop doing this or that. That always struck me as sad. Like when fathers stop treating daughters like they would if they were their sons suddenly because they expect they're all going to be into makeup and boys or something, even if they're not. They suddenly lose interest in being with them and instead start getting paranoid about the males they hang out with.

My father never stopped trying to make his daughters into guys, and his sons into he men. He cultivated one sister into a sports jock and played sports with her all the time, while belittling my oldest sister and me for having no athletic ability at all. My psycho brother was a track star, and he got a ton of attention, but my sociopath brother would have none of it, and we were just happy if he didn't burn down the house with us all in it, or worse. Fun times, oh yeah, lol..
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Angela Drakken

My brother and I were always close. Wed play with our toys, outside catching insects, frogs, playing all sorts of games whem we were young. There was no concept of 'what we were supposed to do.' When we played make believe games there were never questions why I chose the girl characters. Or all my favourite action figures were also the women. Beyond my parents ritualistically shaving both our heads on the regular, nothing was enforced until much much later. We dressed neutral and had shaved heads and just were children.

It wasnt until puberty I started getting squeezed about my gender expectations by my parents and how I refuses to meet them. By this time Id already been assaulted multiple times and began to seriously question why I am the way I am.

My brother and I drifted apart when he was in junior high but were now close again. And he never questions anything I do.
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Kylo

Quote from: Angela Drakken on February 07, 2017, 07:34:14 AM
My brother and I drifted apart when he was in junior high but were now close again. And he never questions anything I do.

That's some good anyway. Same with my sister, she actually gets it I think.

One of my brothers doesn't care either way, and the other one I don't know if he does. He probably knows the score but we haven't talked in years because I dropped off the grid. The other sister I never met, who knows. She's still pretty young and completely under my bio father's influence. He's an ass so who knows what the poor kid thinks or what she's been told. One day I might try to find out if the curiosity is there.
"If the freedom of speech is taken away, then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter."
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kiersten

Kylo,  I can feel this deep pain and anguish you are expressing here. I was having a discussion with trans physician one morning years ago. She looked at me and said honey, to move forward in this journey you have to be prepared ' to lose everything, everything'. You have to decide whether the joy of complete transition will over come the deep grief of your losses. Those were prophetic words. There are no magical answers for those of us who have transitioned later in life. I have also learned that suicidal ideations which were prominent pre-transition thoughts at times, are present on both sides of this issue.
While there are moments of joy and happiness to be sure I now find myself contemplating whether the coincident grief that also comes post transition is not greater than the sacrifice & pain of not transitioning.
For those of us who have lost so much the question will linger.  It is not just our journey to wholeness but a journey for those we have loved and whose lives we have been a part of for decades, our extended family.  Sadly,many decide to not only 'not' walk with us, they choose to leave us. In your case the daughters of the one you love. I pray you will find the strength you need and the happiness you richly deserve... [emoji120]. Rev K


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Angela Drakken

Quote from: Kylo on February 07, 2017, 09:13:31 AM
That's some good anyway. Same with my sister, she actually gets it I think.

One of my brothers doesn't care either way, and the other one I don't know if he does. He probably knows the score but we haven't talked in years because I dropped off the grid. The other sister I never met, who knows. She's still pretty young and completely under my bio father's influence. He's an ass so who knows what the poor kid thinks or what she's been told. One day I might try to find out if the curiosity is there.
Yeah, I show up at my brothers house for dinner and boardgames in bubblegum pink nailpolish and an off the shoulder top, he dont care. He just takes it for what it is. I still worry about his reaction to finding out Im actually becoming a woman.. Like somehow itd be more acceptable to just dress unusually and taboo to change or alter my body.

Its strange how blissfully unaware or just indifferent we are as children. People are just people until our parents 'guidance' effs it all up.
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Floof

I was very close with my brother, we had a great relationship and friendship, he always looked up to me. I never beat anyone up for picking on him tho.. I have never been strong or intimidating, but I comforted him and took care of him. We would play a lot together as kids, and would chill at home watching movies and playing games together as teenagers.

Kinda messed it up by coming out when I did; he was in his awkward teenage phase, and I totally destroyed him when he understood he was 'losing' his older brother.. Despite being pretty feminine my whole life, me starting to dress more womanly made him very uncomfortable and we didn't talk much for years then. I moved to an apartment by myself -mostly to give him space- where I could develop myself in private while he finished school. My dad was worried he would be bullied if people found out about me, and I'm sure thats true.

We have a better relationship now though, we talk to eachother and its not awkward or forced. Never going to be so close as we were before i 'emerged' however, and that makes me sad. I miss having a best friend in my sibling, but I still love him to bits and support him wherever I can <3.
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WolfNightV4X1

I grew up the same age as my brother practically, only two years apart, me being older. We grew up playing with cars and stuffed animals, making stories that way. We also spent a lot of time on the PS2 playing co-op or taking turns on game titles, or both laying on the bed playing pokemon with our game boys. Thats a pretty typical brother relationship, I guess.

As I got older into puberty stage I got gruffer and more distant to family, less huggy-touchy kind of the typical teen male. Although a lot of that was also due to the awkwardness of puberty.

My sister was born when I was twelve, and I played pretend games with her a bit as a baby but due to parental conflict of how I interacted with her sometimes I stopped playing with her entirely as she got older and became more distant. Sad, but true.

Nowadays, with me transitioning and still closeted as far as family goes, I dont think either sibling will accept me. My brother and I are still close, and Im distant from my sister. Both are heavily influenced by my parents, though. Especially my younger sister. My younger sister will be too young to understand and most her knowledge of me being a boy will come from my parents training her that Im doing something bad. Im planning on coming out to my brother separately, hoping our closeness as siblings will save me and give him understanding why I am the way I am, I dont know if he'll treat me like a brother, but he is my closest family almost so whether he does or not is up to him but he's the one I want to try to appeal to first

Is that typical enough?


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FTMax

My parents are divorced. I have 3 stepsisters from my dad's remarriage. I have a half brother on my mom's side.

I don't think there's been much of a change in any of those relationships. My stepsisters and I aren't terribly close in age and weren't very close even when we lived under the same roof. They're very respectful and supportive of my transition, but overall no change to our dynamics or anything like that.

Pretty much the same with my half brother. He's respectful and supportive. He looked up to me a lot before I came out, and he still does. His first puberty and my second puberty are becoming kind of a competition though. Mom says he has not shaved his facial hair in months trying to get it as good as mine.
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jentay1367

Quote from: MissGendered on February 07, 2017, 07:26:57 AM
My father never stopped trying to make his daughters into guys, and his sons into he men. He cultivated one sister into a sports jock and played sports with her all the time, while belittling my oldest sister and me for having no athletic ability at all. My psycho brother was a track star, and he got a ton of attention, but my sociopath brother would have none of it, and we were just happy if he didn't burn down the house with us all in it, or worse. Fun times, oh yeah, lol..


Ahhhh, family dynamics.....good times! Unfortunately, there are two types of families out there, dysfunctional and dishonest. My father was a thug as well. It took me till I was an adult to realize it was my Mother winding him up like a cheap wind up toy and captaining his violence. I was heartbroken when I finally had the epiphany and realized, I was betrayed by both of them. I truly hope we're living in more enlightened times. Children deserve to be cherished and appreciated for their uniqueness.
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