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Transgendered? Or Homosexual?

Started by Hazumu, November 12, 2007, 06:42:48 PM

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You can't choose heterosexual.  Which of the below would you choose to be?

Transgendered
Homosexual

Kate

Quote from: Rachael on December 02, 2007, 06:13:48 PM
noble? beautiful? gives life purpose?
WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING? srsly.....
it does nothing but ruin lives... id REALLY examine your reasons for transition...

You have your interpretation, and I have mine. Some people choose victimhood as an identity, while others see their life as their particular challenge and path to discover the wonder and magic of this world.

My life is (tragically) beautiful. It's (bitter) sweet. Oh it hurts too, and I've certainly bled my share of tears. But if I didn't know better, I'd ALMOST think I'd penned the whole thing myself as some sort of heroic quest, and then decided to actually LIVE my story. If I didn't know better that is.

~Kate~
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Rachael

i dont see myself as a victim, i just cannot see good in having my life destroyed and being rejecty by my family, evidneltly if they hadnt id have found it fun and joyius i supect... oh wait. no
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Schala

I'd have to pick transsexual, again. And I very much agree with Kate's point of view, couldn't have said it better.
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lady amarant

Quote from: Rachael on December 02, 2007, 06:13:48 PM
noble? beautiful? gives life purpose?
WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING? srsly.....
it does nothing but ruin lives... id REALLY examine your reasons for transition tbh, because i utterly hate this... my life has meaning, and you dont need to suffer this much to 'discover yourself'
if i could be born again, identically to now... id kill myself. it would save a lot of pain.
what life is harder? well, depends where and when you live, but tbh, both are  equally bad in thier own way, being gay can be a non issue, being trans will always be suffering... id honestly prefer to be dead than transition if it came round again.
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As the Joker would say: "What does not kill me makes me stranger." (Cannot WAIT for that movie!)

Seriously though, looking back on my life, the suffering I've gone through around my transsexuality really HAS made me a better person for it. Today I'm a more compassionate, stronger, and hopefully wiser person. I feel sad for people who have a smooth ride their entire lives through - what do they really accomplish, at the end of the day?

Anyway, just my opinion.  :laugh:

Oh yeah, I'd pick transsexual. Wouldn't be me otherwise.
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Rachael

arent you sure the compassion, strenth, etc, arnt qualitys of YOU that transition brought out, not given by it?
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tekla

I'll take what I am.  I'm pretty happy with it.  Or I'd choose to be a lipstick lesbian.  But since this is not happening, what's the point?  Really, I guess I like to come back as a Kennedy girl, might as well be rich too.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Rachael

insight into the world?
being an undervocer agent was useful for some reasons, but i still dont understand how the male thinks... that one thing eluded me before the enemy made me and i was forced to exfil to safety :D
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tinkerbell

So heterosexual, cisgendered woman is not a choice?...okay, okay...transsexual!

tink :icon_chick:
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bethzerosix

i voted trans. i agree very much with kate and amarant

Posted on: January 14, 2008, 11:52:34 PM
Quote from: Tink on January 14, 2008, 10:05:27 PM
So heterosexual, cisgendered woman is not a choice?...okay, okay...transsexual!

tink :icon_chick:

and tink nailed it :)
Set me as a seal upon thine heart, as a seal upon thine arm: for love is strong as death; jealousy is cruel as the grave: the coals thereof are coals of fire, which hath a most vehement flame.
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Luc

Um, yeah. I would LOVE to have been born gay! Male or female, doesn't matter... if I was just gay but didn't have to worry about having to go through chest surgery, or worry that testosterone shots would send me to an early grave, I'd be ecstatic! I didn't choose to be trans, but I am. But certainly, I can't imagine anyone wanting it over a life in which they didn't have to go through so much pain and anguish.
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Rachael

yeah you would :P
gay=/= not transsexual too :P
sexuality and gender are two parallel occurances. Both work together, but there is no override...
so this topic fails, as you can be both... or neither... :P
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lady amarant

Quote from: Rachael on January 14, 2008, 03:36:46 PM
arent you sure the compassion, strenth, etc, arnt qualitys of YOU that transition brought out, not given by it?
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Maybe, but on the other hand, we are shaped by our experiences, and it's only through hard experiences that we learn our limitations, are forced to confront our prejudices and grow in the process. People who go through their entire lives sheltered, comfortable and happy tend to be rather ignorant - that's not me saying it either - An aunt of mine once commented on how sheltered she had become after marrying into a very rich family.

Call me a masochist, but our trials define us.
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NicholeW.

Quote from: Tink on January 14, 2008, 10:05:27 PM
So heterosexual, cisgendered woman is not a choice?...okay, okay...transsexual!

tink :icon_chick:

LOL!! Yep, the devil I already am well acquainted with. *smile*
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Rachael

Quote from: lady amarant on January 15, 2008, 11:24:46 AM
Quote from: Rachael on January 14, 2008, 03:36:46 PM
arent you sure the compassion, strenth, etc, arnt qualitys of YOU that transition brought out, not given by it?
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Maybe, but on the other hand, we are shaped by our experiences, and it's only through hard experiences that we learn our limitations, are forced to confront our prejudices and grow in the process. People who go through their entire lives sheltered, comfortable and happy tend to be rather ignorant - that's not me saying it either - An aunt of mine once commented on how sheltered she had become after marrying into a very rich family.

Call me a masochist, but our trials define us.
the only thing transition has done to me, is make me cold.... i dont trust, i cant love, just incase they turn around and hurt me...
once bitten...
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Schala

Quote from: Rachael on January 15, 2008, 02:20:37 PM
Quote from: lady amarant on January 15, 2008, 11:24:46 AM
Quote from: Rachael on January 14, 2008, 03:36:46 PM
arent you sure the compassion, strenth, etc, arnt qualitys of YOU that transition brought out, not given by it?
R :police:

Maybe, but on the other hand, we are shaped by our experiences, and it's only through hard experiences that we learn our limitations, are forced to confront our prejudices and grow in the process. People who go through their entire lives sheltered, comfortable and happy tend to be rather ignorant - that's not me saying it either - An aunt of mine once commented on how sheltered she had become after marrying into a very rich family.

Call me a masochist, but our trials define us.
the only thing transition has done to me, is make me cold.... i dont trust, i cant love, just incase they turn around and hurt me...
once bitten...
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Transition's had the opposite effect on me, it's freed the real me, and I can trust and love, like I did as a child until I repressed myself. In my teens I was cold and distant and you wouldn't have recognized me then (personality-wise).
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Rachael

oh the same... i WANT to love, i WANT to open up to people, but after telling my family my darkest secret, those who are meant to love you nomatter what, my blood, abandoned me.... I dated a guy for 3 months, we were going to have sex, i came out to him, he dumped me and i never saw him again. Oh im Happy with my life, but im damaged goods as far as love goes. heh, atleast before i couldnt love, now i desperately need to, but wont let myself.
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lady amarant

Quote from: Rachael on January 16, 2008, 03:11:15 AM
oh the same... i WANT to love, i WANT to open up to people, but after telling my family my darkest secret, those who are meant to love you nomatter what, my blood, abandoned me.... I dated a guy for 3 months, we were going to have sex, i came out to him, he dumped me and i never saw him again. Oh im Happy with my life, but im damaged goods as far as love goes. heh, at least before i couldnt love, now i desperately need to, but wont let myself.
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I can't really argue with you on this one - A big part of accepting my transsexuality was basically accepting that, no matter what I do to make people love me, they'd probably abandon me once they found out. I'm at the point where I've accepted that I'll probably be alone for the rest of my life.

Which sucks, but it has been a positive thing in other ways. I spent most of the last 29 years trying to "buy" people's love and acceptance by being straight A, good at everything, etc. etc. Perfect child, perfect husband (yeah, married for a year!), perfect everything. No matter how much you do to please others though, it's a bum deal, because they can take that hard-bought love away again just like that. I've realised the only love worth buying is my own, so now I try, as far as is financially and practically feasable, to do what pleases me instead of others.

Hypocrite that I am though, I've only come out to a small group of people, though I've basically doubled that in the last two weeks, so progress, and I'm telling pretty-much one person a week. Mostly negative, a few undecided, but at this point I'm not bothered either way. If the connection is meant to remain, it will remain.

It's probably going to sound harsh, but we are born alone and we die alone. Connections to other people can be intense, valuable, wonderful, but they are temporary, even if they last a lifetime. So the decision I've come to is to not close myself off to it - the fact that somebody might reject me for a part of who I am doesn't negate the connection we shared and what I gained from it. My wife and I divorced ... badly, but I would not change a thing about the relationship because it was a time of enormous growth for me, and in many ways a catalyst towards me accepting my GID. The two of us started talking again a few months ago, and I told her - I felt it only fair, because us crashing had a lot to do with my issues. She's been one of the few people to accept it and we're getting, slowly, back to a point of friendship. Which was an absolute surprise, because we REALLY hurt each other.

Love and friendship and stuff can surprise us, but only if we take the risk of getting hurt by it.
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NicholeW.

Quote from: lady amarant on January 16, 2008, 09:21:38 AM
Love and friendship and stuff can surprise us, but only if we take the risk of getting hurt by it.

It's counter-intuitive for us, Simone, but I believe you are right.

I find that we all desire relationship. Being rejected hurts badly and we do what we have to do, or think we have to do, to avoid rejection. How much of myself must I withdraw and hide in order to be accepted? How protected am I when I recoil from relationship by rejecting it before it gets the chance to reject me?

It's a hard choice to make.

But, the risking of oneself may be totally necessary in order to find that which we long for. An open heart seems to allow the pain to flow through and out. A closed one seems to bottle pain and the pressure explodes the heart. That's been true for me anyhow.

I'll take the risks. The healing feels wonderful as it arrives and grows.

N~


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lady amarant

Quote from: Nichole W. on January 16, 2008, 09:33:27 AM
I'll take the risks. The healing feels wonderful as it arrives and grows.

I agree. Once the wounds have healed and I can look back on it, I always manage to find something that was worth it, even if just a lesson learned about myself. When I met my ex, she was a single mom with a seven month-old little boy. Even if I had gained nothing else from that relationship, (And I did gain so much) being a parent for that year was an experience I absolutely cherish, especially since I'll never be able to be a mom myself.
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Rachael

when you talked so someone you love about a transsexual friend, they are all like 'well you have to do what you have to do to be you' your heart jumps for joy, when they find out thier girlfriend has a penis... different story...
One of the many reasons why when post op, nobody else hears the word 'transsexual' again from my lips.
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