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I just came out to my wife, now she wants to put rules in place?

Started by SuperSarah, April 22, 2017, 09:40:22 PM

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JoanneB

You told your wife. She didn't bolt and run. The Earth did not open up and swallow you. A bolt of lightning didn't turn you into a pile of ashes. The meteorite missed you. And now your wife is processing all this, probably recalling the tons of shows about TG's, perhaps researching on line, or just knows someway, the trend.
A - Come out to wife
B - Come out to rest of world
C - Start presenting as female
D - HRT
E - GCS

My wife knew from about day 1, some almost 40 years ago, I had gender issues which included 2 failed transition experiments. I settled on being "Just a CD" At 6ft tall, balding since 12, big everything, it was more the reality. Especially back in the late 70's and 80's. Never the less when I dropped the T-Bomb on her 8 years ago she was in shock and one of her first questions was how soon for GCS.

The first year or so were filled lots of often difficult and emotion filled discussions of where I am and a totally unknown future for us both. My GD has never been to the point of overwhelming for any length of time. Just always there, running in the background, sometimes bubbling up to the point of near desperation.

Over the decades just cross-dressing was enough to manage it. Usually once a month I needed that total escape from maleness for the day. In the beginning my wife would spend the day out with friends or whatever. After about 6 years she started staying home after first asking if I was OK with it.

Most of us have spent a lifetime barely getting a handle on our GD. An SO has had mere milli-seconds in comparison. Right now she is still trying to get  handle on future with your marriage now complete redefined. Not exactly the sort of shared future she was looking forward to.

You say now things are sort of "Derailed". To me that sort of implies, in your mind at least, it was/is "Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead". Perhaps even on the teary night when you dropped the T-Bomb you told her that you want or need to next do B, C and D soon.

I felt since the age of 4 or so I should have been or wanted to be born a girl. I never much cared for my body, especially since it betrayed me even as a males. I still had to make do with what I had to work with. Somehow I managed to have a totally amazing woman fall in love with me. Somehow in spite of my negative self-image I've had a remarkable career which includes a remarkable level of admiration for my abilities. There are many facets, or other aspects of who I am as a person that go beyond gender and gender presentation.

My level of GD, for the most part, does not rise above the importance of all the other aspects of my life, of all the things that also define me. I came to the point of needing to take the Trans-Beast on for real 8 years ago when I lost pretty much most of the things I defined myself by. I lost them because of how I was Not handling being trans. Today (OK the past few weeks are an exception) I am reaping the benefits of putting in all the hard work needed to heal the emotional scars acquired over a lifetime of not dealing with being trans.

Marriage is a partnership that had an implied contract, if not a real one, going into it. Dropping the T-Bomb is pretty much the equivalent of kicking over the table with the Monopoly board. Often times we want to have our cake and eat it to. We want our little corner of the world to never change, our marriage, our careers, our relationship with our kids, parents, siblings, and others. All while we ourselves change from one gender to another. Unfortunately, there are other people around us whose life's are greatly affected by our decisions and actions. If you care about those people, compromises are often needed from all parties. Which also includes compromising with yourself. Usually starting with trying to sort out simple Wants from true Needs. No easy task. As much as I thought I knew about everything about being trans, I was still in shock for days after my first ever TG Support group meeting. By the end of my third meeting, still feeling in shock afterwards, during the drive home I knew it almost too late to tell my wife what was going on. In essence dropping the T-Bomb. Escalating from being just a CD and kicking over the table.

Today we are still together. Perhaps more in love then ever before. She sees me as a far more better person having grown emotionally and spiritually into a self actualized person. She also mourns the loss of her husband though I still live, work, and present primarily as male. We still have a future that is totally unknown, a shared one unknown and impossible to even try to define with all that is going on in our lives. We both work at and compromise to keep what is truly important and satisfying of our needs. As is often the case with life, you don't always get what you want.

Right now, you and your wife need to have a lot of often difficult honest and open emotionally charged discussions about wants, needs and a totally unknown shared future. A big hint I can give is listen to the message, not to the words. During these talks the "Filters" are often off or things are said just to hurt so you feel some of the others pain.

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Kylo

Quote from: Thessa on April 23, 2017, 03:13:12 AM

I explain it this way Testosteron(e) starts with an T and another german word also starts with T - Trottel, it means idiot.

I think it's the cause for a lot of erratic behavior of men.



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So I second your statement (partly).
Normally I try to not generalize but I fear you are right in regards to a lot of relationships.

Rather it's the gatekeeping that women do regards family and sex. If a man wants those things in this society, he tends to have to appease a woman, doesn't he? He can't just take those things.

But I'm in agreement that people in general who want these things so badly as to become an unhappy slave for them are fools. I would always look after #1. And then I'd be called something else other than an idiot, but it's much better to be selfish and be in charge of your own affairs than not.

It's rather telling that no matter what a man does, whether he is keeping himself or a woman happy, he is always an "idiot" of some kind. Whether it's wives talking about how dim their husbands are to feminists complaining about the MGTOW. "Men are gullible, and women are never satisfied."
"If the freedom of speech is taken away, then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter."
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EmmaLoo

Many of us know just how powerful hormones and the  surgeries that affects them are. They are mind and life altering. After reading your post and it's difficult to look past the the issues you mentioned regarding your current endocrine system and feel like your wife, of 25 years, has a legitimate concern about the medical issues. I think any therapist or MD would tell you the same from a baseline perspective. You certainly don't want to be compromised by hormone issues when making these decisions. That would be a disaster for everyone involved. I'm certainly not doubting your position or feelings, but since you are communicating to you wife, getting all of that inline would clear the way for a better relationship moving forward.

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SuperSarah

Well, its nearly 24 hours after my first post, and 3 days after telling my wife for the first time how I feel/what I am coping with. I cannot tell you how much all of your input has helped, especially Moni, kk and Jerrica - You have my love.
Me and my wife are in a bit better place. We've talked again, about loads of things in our lives, not just this. I thought we were close before but now there is another level of openess. I have no lies to hide and feel more comfortable, she is willing to try and understand. I dont think I could expect anything more.
EmmaLoo made a good point, same one made by my wife, about my endocrine state. The tumour I had destroyed my endocrine system completely - I supplement it all with drugs, injections and patches. I have a really close connection with the hospital and the endocrine unit. The oestrogen in my body is high enough to create physical changes, these are obvious changes to both of us, not my imagination or hoping or anything, and so, my first point of call needs to try and get these levelled and sorted so I can determine exactly what my inner self really is. Its a weird mixed up almost schizophrenic series of emotions that I am going through and sorting that needs to be priority. Most people would come to their conclusion before HRT, I sort of need to give myself that chance.
I sort of snowballed into this forum in a time of real pain, I was accepted and given a love and warmth I could only dream of. I hope in future I can be of some help too any of you too. Thanks Sarahxx
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Rebecca

It is true that you should probably restore your hormone levels to their previous position to be able to make the decision as you were. Hormones are powerful and can have a strong influence on the mind (or at least on mine hence I'd rather be shot with gun instead of a syringe full of T  ;) ). Much the same as making big decisions while sober it would be considered prudent to make life changing decisions of this level without the possibility of being affected by external influences. Also prevents others from rubbishing your decision no the basis of your hormones begin out of whack.

Ultimately you have been given a wonderful opportunity to look into 2 worlds and know both are open to you.
Your wife remains open to all possibilities showing the depth and strength of your relationship on a whole new level.

In the end the decision is yours as it should be and regardless of your ultimate choice I believe you and your marriage will be all the better from it.

Best of wishes to you both.
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SuperSarah

Thanks Jerrica,
Very true, I have endo appointment for Tuesday next week so we will see what he says.
I also agree about those T injections. I have been on them for 10 years, and the level that is deemed 'normal' for a cis-male is IMHO too high for me. The problem is I never had a level done prior to the brain tumour so no-one knows what is normal for me.
It is a well known side-effect of T-injections that they can cause increased oestrogen, however, it seems most mens response is negative to those changes, where as mine is totally opposite. I cannot find any reference to oestrogen in males causing Gender dysphoria? Apart from some closeted dressing up in my moms things when I went through puberty I have never really had any feelings like this before 12 months ago. I did once have a frank conversation with a lesbian friend of mine (about 15years ago) where she questioned my sexuality, and I know I responded with 'I am a lesbian too' it was a sort of joke on me as I have never been a beer swilling, football mad lad of the lads, in-fact I really dont like men much at all - pretty much all my close friends are female. So I dont know is that repression, strict religious upbringing doesn't help (that I totally rejected when adult). And there is an evil bit of me that is just dying to tell my parents that I am trans, it will blow their brains out! They are the most homophobic people I have met so far, and I know they will explode. I dont fear them, never have, in fact I know I will find it funny and finally they will have a reason not to contact us. (yeh!)
I fear (yes I think fear is the right word) that it has woken a sleeping dragon within me, allowed me to see who I really should be. Either way, as you said, I have a fantastic insight into both worlds, and that makes me stronger an more able to make the choice. I need to take something for the rest of my life, at the moment I am fully open to follow what-ever path seems the best, and I am pretty sure I have a supportive partner. This has already bought us closer than I ever could imagine, if nothing else I know how much she loves me, and I hope she knows that it is reciprocated fully.
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HappyMoni

Hi Sarah,
   It is so good to hear of your spouse's reaction. I am happy for you. As far as this only coming on you recently, I wouldn't let that bother you. I have a friend who was 'awakened' to her feelings at close to 60 years of age. She is just as much transgender as I am. (At about 4 or 5, I would put myself to sleep thinking about being female.) I think that trans feelings can be hidden from our view for a long time. If I go by my experience and others I have talked to, I would say trans feelings never go away and frequently increase with age.
   I think you will find patterns that happen with trans folks, but everyone has there own unique story. Sometimes people get caught up in doubts because they don't fit the stereotypical trans history. 'I didn't do this', or 'I wasn't interested in that.' For example, I like sports and played with army men when I was a kid. It means nothing.
   I hope you will update us on the brain blowing when you tell your folks. You do seem to have such glee when you talk about it. :)
Moni
I am glad you are in a much better place now from when you first posted. This place is full of folks who understand and are happy to share. Glad you are here.
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