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Started by kariann330, April 29, 2017, 10:34:25 AM

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kariann330

Say hypothetically a person is post op and due to other a natural disaster (flood, tornado, hurricane, earth quake etc etc) or a man made disaster, ends up not being able to get E, what would happen? I know that there are lower levels of both T and E produced by the body naturally but still wonder since there would be no major source of hormones anymore
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Megan.

I have to admit,  that as very unlikely as this is,  I have genuinely considered it as a potential future problem. My understanding is that there would be a degree of de-feminisation,  and the biggest problem is the long term risk of osteoporosis.

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Brooke

I too have thought about this. I would also think energy levels would plummet.

Same thing has crossed my mind for a seizure Med I take. Anything that you need on a daily basis for health or to stay alive can be a scary thought to lose.

Something never really brought up in post apocalyptic fiction.


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Dena

HOT FLASHES BIG TIME for a year or two. In addition you would need to get as much calcium in your diet as you can to keep your bones health. Fat would most likely relocate to your belly area from your face and legs. Been there, done that and I will try to avoid that in the future.
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Tori

If you were dysphoric before HRT you will become dysphoric again. And you will age at a faster rate without sex hormones. Good times...

Now I keep a one year surplus supply of hormones with me at all possible times.


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KayXo

I also stocked up, in case...Have enough to last me a long time, if I were on a post-menopausal dose.
I am not a medical doctor, nor a scientist - opinions expressed by me on the subject of HRT are merely based on my own review of some of the scientific literature over the last decade or so, on anecdotal evidence from women in various discussion forums that I have come across, and my personal experience

On HRT since early 2004
Post-op since late 2005
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Tommi

I've been diabetic for 23 years. I think about this often. Even kept cold, hormones go off after a certain amount of time. My plan was always to get my wife to safety and then waiting til my supply ran out. In that time, if I'm on other hormones, I'll probably die before i need more.

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FinallyMichelle

I assume that we are talking some sort of post apocalyptic scenario? Or just a temporary halt in medication due to a calamitous event? I would think that a temporary stop in medication can be prepared for to some extent or weathered for a while. I have thought about that, just unsure how I can keep my hormone levels in good shape and make a decent stockpile at the same time.

I have difficulty with the true post apocalyptic thing. There seems to be a fascination with it at least among men, I have not as yet had a conversation with a woman about it. Doesn't mean they are not thinking about it. The same goes with where I am from as opposed to where I live now. My mountain family talks about it wwaaayyyy more than the people that surround me here in the city. Again, doesn't mean that they are not thinking about it though.

I can't help but wonder if it is caused by movies and TV romanticizing the idea. Like maybe there is a chance to be awesome if everything goes to pot. Or is there indeed a species wide precognition like Arthur C Clarke suggests in A Childhood's End? Or are we programmed genetically to look for the worst.

Recent history, last few hundred years, suggests that we will bounce back in relatively short order from anything that may at the time seem like the world is ending. That in a few years things will normalize and society will move forward and the earth ball will keep spinning. And that is from the very worst of what the world has experienced lately. Of course we can all accept that worse can happen, I just wonder how likely that is though.

I think planning for and emergency is a wise thing to do. I don't want to exist without estrogen so I hope to be able to eventually have a small amount set aside to get me through. But that is for a not quite Armageddon situation.

For the apocalypse? Wellllll..... chances are I won't make it will I? I mean, we are not the exception, we are the rule right? If 60% or more of the population takes the long dirt nap odds are I will be one of those. But say I make it and am one of those 40%. What does the post apocalypse look like for me? Grim. Very, VERY grim. I came from the back end of nowhere and I could probably get by with a minimum of survival gear, if I never ran into other people, for a while. This horror I find myself in is for the young, which I no longer qualify as. How long could I realistically expect to survive? Now if I find myself in a group of people, even if they are amazingly accepting, what do I offer that someone else could not? Is there any way that I am so incredible that they have to have me? Do I fill a need that others cannot? Let's face it, I am a genetic dead end. I am the rule not the exception, so I am NOT so stupendous that they can't live without me. What do I have to offer that would offset one more mouth to feed? And I have to be realistic in that I would have to be in complete stealth, I don't think that transgender acceptance would continue. Could I do that? After my surgery, probably, but maybe not.

I used to dream of that day when I was young and hated the world for how awful my life was. I would survive and be more than one of billions. I would thrive and show the world. Now I can't even imagine how I could ever have felt that way. This world accepts me to a degree now. NOW. Only 30 years ago it did not, 30 years from now it might not again. THIS is the time and place for me. I have hope. I don't want to go back ever.

Hahaha!! That was long winded! Back to reality. ;D

My grandmother had a full hysterectomy when she was 48. She was going to go through menopause soon anyway and that is what they did back then when you had female complications. Ten years later she looked and seemed like the exact same person. It's not wonderful, this growing old, but it comes to us all. Ain't no one gettin out of life alive. And if the world goes into permanent purgatory in the meantime, and somehow I survive, I will cope if I can and expire if I can't. Till then....

Yay! Woo Hoo! I get to be me one more day!
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JoanneB

Full Disclosure - I've had it with my wife's endlessly glued to YouTube "The End of The World as We Know It" channels with lives and futures having to put on hold in order to prepare for the Zombie Apocalypse, or functional equivalent thereof and collapse of civilization as we know it.

Short term needs can be managed by stockpiling. stated shelf lifes are more like suggestions under worse case conditions. Closed hermetically sealed vials probably will last better then pills, especially if the pills are loose and not blister packed. Rotating your stock will assure freshness. Assuming you are regularly going off to your hideaway bunker far from the marauding hordes, Ala Mad Max times.

Long to mid term..... Well if it's that bad basic survival will keep you pretty well preoccupied. Water, food, shelter, protection, all will take a lot of work in a world where you (and a few billion more) are now down to subsistence living without any modern advantages. In this scenario stockpiling ammo, in popular calibers will make for good bartering.

Keep your powder dry

This of course assumes you aren't transported off to one of those FEMA camps masquerading as closed Walmarts stockpiled with coffins and hyper-speed underground trains interconnecting them to.....?  :o

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jentay1367

QuoteShort term needs can be managed by stockpiling. stated shelf lifes are more like suggestions under worse case conditions. Closed hermetically sealed vials probably will last better then pills, especially if the pills are loose and not blister packed. Rotating your stock will assure freshness. Assuming you are regularly going off to your hideaway bunker far from the marauding hordes, Ala Mad Max times.

My question has been and remains, who the hell wants to live in a post apocalyptic wasteland? Not me. I'll take instant death over starvation, disease and pestilence any old day ;)
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KayXo

I've taken Estrace pills way past their expiry date, like 3-4 yrs and they were still effective. Same with Prometrium pills. You'd be surprised...
I am not a medical doctor, nor a scientist - opinions expressed by me on the subject of HRT are merely based on my own review of some of the scientific literature over the last decade or so, on anecdotal evidence from women in various discussion forums that I have come across, and my personal experience

On HRT since early 2004
Post-op since late 2005
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Kylo

If you had removal surgery that left you without any means of producing enough sex hormone (that goes for E or T) and couldn't get any from outside sources I think you'd have a health risk there.

Not being able to get the hormones for feminization would probably be the least concern, getting any sex hormone into your blood would be the major, since you need either T or E (technically both) to regulate all sorts of  internal processes.

If you still had your glands you'd revert to producing some eventually which would at least leave you with enough energy to function effectively. Low sex hormones of either type is an awful state to be in. Very draining, weakening and sometimes painful.

One reason I'd like to keep some of my producing organs if possible. But it might be that I can't. In that scenario I'd be completely dependent on supplemental hormones. While I doubt an apocalypse scenario is going to happen, shortages might.

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Zoetrope

If there was an apocalypse of some kind, I think we would be more worried about survival then gender identity. Society would face a massive shift in its priorities ...
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Brooke

Quote from: Zoetrope on April 30, 2017, 12:17:17 PM
If there was an apocalypse of some kind, I think we would be more worried about survival then gender identity. Society would face a massive shift in its priorities ...
I don't think anyone is arguing that. More just the fact of regular hormonal levels puts you at a survival disadvantage.


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Zoetrope

What I mean to suggest is ... gender identity is not the most important thing in life ... and I think some kind of serious catastrophe would shake us out of that comfort zone and learn to make do without the options of transition.

If society was turned on its head, would transsexualism matter so much to us? I have a feeling it wouldn't.

Survival would come down to how much food and water we have stockpiled ... and what kind of a network we have ... sitting on a dragons hoard of hormones wouldn't do much for us :~o
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FinallyMichelle

I agree with jentay, let me be one of the first to go. What I don't understand is why so many people are so certain that life as we know it is going to end. Why is it that when we finally have time to more than just survive are we so enamoured with the notion that we are going right back to merely surviving? It seems to be an obsession. Is our quality of life so horrible? Are we not ment to be happy? What I do know is this: In order for our species to survive we MUST leave this planet at some point. In order to do that we MUST have social structure or a working society capable of unified action. We will have to move past the point that we are at right now in order to grow and evolve sometime. If not now when? How many setbacks can we endure, wasting our resources? Will we ever get past this point in our social evolution? Are we doomed?

Meh, not going to worry at it or give it one more moment of my time. When the end comes everyone can tell me,"Told you so." Won't hurt my feelings a bit. At least I didn't waste the good times worrying about the bad that haven't happened yet.
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femfem

Quote from: kariann330 on April 29, 2017, 10:34:25 AM
Say hypothetically a person is post op and due to other a natural disaster (flood, tornado, hurricane, earth quake etc etc) or a man made disaster, ends up not being able to get E, what would happen? I know that there are lower levels of both T and E produced by the body naturally but still wonder since there would be no major source of hormones anymore
I myself am not post-op, and don't ever really intend to get that operation done. However, I have been in transition for quite awhile, and I can tell you that, in my experience of not getting to take e for prolonged periods of time, my testosterone didn't rebound​ much, if at all.

I think, if I ever did want to live life as a male (not going to happen), I'd need the assistance of synthetic testosterone, because even a blood test has confirmed that my testicles don't produce much testosterone any longer. So, especially in the case of a post-op woman being deprived of synthetic estrogen, I'm sure her appearance wouldn't change much whatsoever, but she'd definitely feel tired and depressed. Also, I should mention that my body shape didn't change at all for the nearly six weeks that I didn't get to take my own estrogen. My skin just got a bit oilier---and aside from that, I still looked and felt largely the same
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jentay1367

Quote from: Zoetrope on April 30, 2017, 12:50:59 PM


If society was turned on its head, would transsexualism matter so much to us? I have a feeling it wouldn't.



Would to me. I was ready to check out prior to my making the decision to transition. I can't imagine that just because I now live in a hell on earth scenario, I'd be happy living in a male body that felt foreign to me. If I was going to check out in a world of civilized luxury,  I simply can't see I'd lose my desire to be myself in mad max land either. My transition is for my sanity, not others approval. I'd want to continue my transition or happily check out. This isn't a luxury for me, it's my imperative.
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Axolotl

If I was forced to stop E, my top priority would be to get it back.  I believe if I was removed from anti-androgens, I would seek an immediate castration.  I basically feel like this right now, and I haven't been able to do anything besides eat, sleep, and wait for potential surgery.
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Chris8080

Seems to me if the brown sticky stuff hit the rotary device bad enough to cause a country wide or global disruption in most services & things ones first thought and priority would be food and water, not hormones. I could easily go a week without hormones, wouldn't take a week without food to kill me. Myself and many others have additional life threatening pharmaceutical needs beyond sex hormones. Assuming I did find a source of food sufficient to keep me alive it wouldn't be for long, with no thyroid gland and thus no thyroid hormone death would be slow and ugly. With 35+ years with diabetes if there suddenly were no insulin, again slow and ugly. With no food as a diabetic it would take only a couple of days before blood sugar dropped enough to put me into a coma and death.

Nope, I can't see sex hormones in such a crisis being very high up the priority list.
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