Suicide - Sin or No

[Kimberly]

This thread continues to trickle on...

As a result of this thread, I started a poll in the POLL section here at Susans about suicide.  The data should be posted by 7/28/08.  If you haven't answered, I would ask you to take a look at it.  I will say that the numbers look rather interesting.

Chaunte

For reference the mentioned poll is here.

I see I functionally gutted my initial words on the topic. But since there has been reference of lives past since I will chime in again to say very little, but that my last was what could be thought of "assisted suicide" -- I went and played with a pack of hyena, and lives further past have been more direct. As best I know I have never suffered "ill effect" from exiting a life early. This said I still do not believe in "sin" (the concept of indulgences really spoils it, I think.), but ignoring my why what intangible evidence we seem to have on the subject would seem to hint at suicide NOT being a "sin". However, it is just as probable I am not playing by the same rules too...

[RebeccaFog]

I have heard that a chimpanzee in a Japanese zoo disarmed his guard this week. Soon all of your ancient scrolls will mean nothing, for the one true lawgiver is soon to appear before us and we shall receive the only scrolls that matter.

did the chimp know kung fu?  were aliens involved somehow?

hmmmmmm.

No. It just outwitted a human being... Until they found a banana to lure it off the roof.

Posted on: July 25, 2008, 08:35:47 PM

sumpin's a Lil' fishy smelling' here.

wasn't it Rebis who had a crush on Zira from the original Planet of the Apes?

Yes. And if I thought killing myself would bring zira and I together, I would do it in a second. I wouldn't see it as losing my life, but as gaining the heavens.


Signed,

Zira loving Bat-Corn

[Princess_Jasmine]

Hey all well I am strong in my faith and I know for sure the answer is it is a big sin to commit suicide no matter the problem. Of course I don't judge and say this one will go to heaven or hell because only God knows but it isnt right, mostly due to the fact that a person committing suicide is ruining any future plan God had for them, therefore taking the power out of God's hands for their own interest. Of course, I terribly feel for those in such deep suffering that they would rather die than feel the pain, and I know because I (as many of us here) have felt the same way. But thinking about it, if I had killed myself many years ago, I would have never touched the lives of the people I know today who have a completely different understanding of transgender people. And because of that, they have learned to no longer judge others. I thank God everyday I did not give in to such a horrible thing because that kind of agony we feel in that small moment when life seems so hopeless washes away over time.

Also, here's an interesting story of a woman who had a near death experience / miracle after committing suicide. This site is filled with evidence of how God exists whether it be through miracles/ NDE's/ etc. Check it out   http://bibleprobe.com/angiefenimore.htm

[cindybc]

Hi, Princess_Jasmine, hon. This is not just the heart of a woman but of an empath as well.

I quit the church when I was sixteen and just developed my own beliefs through the years, but for some reason in later years when I was going through some very troubling times with depression, bipolar, and yet again later, throw in GID, the thoughts of suicide often came to mind.

The memories of the master of hell, *satan* and the lake of fire and little devil beings poking one with their forks came to mind and that was what deterred me enough to change my mind. Cheeeeeez whiz, reading "Dante's Inferno" in high school was also one to curl..... well uncurl my hair back then.

**Not to judge,** boy, that wasn't the easiest sport to give up. But then I have better things to do besides picking whoever's seat in hell for them. I was never aggressive or feeling the need to have revenge, I was never confrontational, *peace at any price, as I see it*, nor did I ever have the desire to physically hit someone; thought about it, maybe, but it never went further than just a thinking about it. But I was certainly guilty of wishing different stuff on them. If I had a magic wand I would hate to think how much the toad population would have grown!

Bless my trespassers, I pray they only got back what was due them in Karma.

When I first started to forgive my trespassers by prayer I would pray for them when they would get their Karma. I did my amends to those I needed to do amends to in the same manner, then did an honest one later on. Now when someone gets under my skin I just say to myself, "God bless your soul" then I make a small nodding gesture, smile and move on. Do you know how many times I said the, "May God bless!" or post a message telling them I will send prayers for different individuals here on this board?  Well, sometimes I get to hurting emotionally for someone here, sometimes for some silly-ass reason, but I still say say a short prayer and go on with something else.

And yes, every day we influence someone in some way or another, whether it be in a negative or positive way, or in a great way or in a small way that may feel to you practically insignificant, but to that person, you just handed then a gold mine. I suppose that is the way we should look at it when no one appears to notice our post on the board, as some have here lately, myself included. This is the reason I started a blog, I started it in the hopes someone can pick up something useful from it and I don't expect responses unless someone finds the urge to do so. The main purpose for this blog is an attempt to teach some of my own experiences and to help others to find their own way.

Cindy

[pennyjane]

yeah....what sam said.  it's an academic question for those of us who aren't suicidal, but for someone in the throws..what's in a sin?  isn't all of life just one big sin?  why should death be any different, but...if you're in such pain as to be willing to give up your life academic stuff is really just so trivial.  sin or not...if one has judged with compassion and mercy during this time here, when Jesus issues His judgment it will also be with compassion and mercy.  comforting...in an academic sort of way.

[Anima]

I haven't read all the answers, but the bible says:

John 10:27My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. 29My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand.

Rom 8:39neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

So my conclusion is that nothing can separate us from God, cause it is not a matter of what sins we have done, are doing or will do that makes us saved or not, but the love and mercy God has given us by Jesus and Him carrying the sins of all humanity on himself.

Just my opinion 

[Ell]

did the chimp know kung fu?

kung fu? i don't think he needs it. an adult chimpanzee can be about six times stronger than a man.

-ell

[RebeccaFog]

Six times stronger, or six times smarter?

[tekla]

Six times stronger, or six times smarter?

Six times stronger, way more than six times smarter, as anyone who has ever watched chimps fling monkey poo at visitors will know.

[RebeccaFog]

If chimps have monkey poo, they must be shipping it in.

[tekla]

I think they are working on a trade agreement there in the zoo.

And this is the zoo where a tiger that killed a kid and mauled a few more a few years ago was shot last week after getting out again.

[RebeccaFog]

It's easier to kill a problem than to deal with it.



I'm speaking on all levels here.

[Ell]

It's easier to kill a problem than to deal with it.

I'm speaking on all levels here.

"Nothing is missed, until it is gone..."  --Johnny Dowd
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6m20tmEI9s#noexternalembed&related

[JENNIFER]

It's easier to kill a problem than to deal with it.



I'm speaking on all levels here.

Perhaps it is easy to kill a problem so long as the person carrying the problem is also killed.

The challenge lies within the person and their ability to recognise 1) The problem

                                                                                        2) The ability to accept one has a problem

                                                                                        3) Ones willingness to accept help

                                                                                        4) Understanding of the potential solution

                                                                                        5) Trust

Please forgive me if I seem to show a juvenile simplicity and innocence but it appears a simple pathway to me but suicide ( the point of this thread ) seems a very drastic and final course of action to take.  I have had very serious involuntary medical issues to deal with and although my life remains a major battle through disabilities, I like life as it is because I retain and have ownership of it.

[RebeccaFog]

Oh my Godlessness!

I forgot this is the suicide thread.  I advise against suicide.

Does it count as suicide if I pretend to be somebody and I kill them?

[V M]

I'm not particularly the religious type. So I can't really comment weather suicide is a "sin" or not. It is a difficult subject for me. I suppose it is easier for me to talk about it with people I will probably never meet and probably never really know.
I've lost some friends to suicide. It is something I wrestle with in my own mind on a nearly daily basis. I often wish I could stop thinking about it.
When I was about 10 yr.s old my mom found a hanging noose in my dresser drawer. She also wondered who broke the branch off the tree in the front yard. I didn't have the heart to tell her. So I said that I'd found the rope and blamed the neighbors for the broken branch.
I then proceeded to get involved in several situations were I should have been killed and several others did try to kill me. But, alas I'm still here; scarred up , stiff and sore.
Now I'm at an age were I figure I'll probably just fall over dead soon anyway. So I try to keep busy and not think about it too much. I'm also seeing a therapist. That seems to help some

[Jay]

I personally dont see it as a sin. End of.

[cindybc]

Well the last time I set foot in a church was 47 years ago. I drank alcoholically for  twenty years of my life before I found sobriety twenty years ago. The last ten years of that drinking spree I was suicidal and the only thing that kept me from committing suicide was the fear of discovering that there was a Hell waiting for me on the other side. That was enough to deter me from committing suicide. I'm still not in any hurry to find out if there is realy a Hell.

Cindy