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8 years post op, thinking of giving up stealth

Started by Ritana, June 10, 2017, 07:18:30 AM

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Ritana

Quote from: KayXo on June 11, 2017, 02:57:06 PM
I think it's more just living without being afraid that any behavior, gesture, sound, physical characteristic will "out" me. Not wondering anymore, not being paranoid. Just being, living freely and if it happens that someone figures it out, let it be, I just don't care. Not making an effort to hide my past nor making the effort to make it known to the entire world that I'm trans. Just living and going about my business without worrying.

I think the key to getting there comes down to accepting oneself as who we are. If we're ok with that, then we're free. :)

That is exactly what I am hoping to achieve. I am naturally feminine, I act and sound no different to the average natal female ( had vfs 18 months ago). I just wanna get relaxed about being trans, and if my past catches up with me and get found out then I would like to be ok with that too.  Definitely any future boyfriend will have to know about my past (when the relationship becomes serious a.official). Not intending to inform anyone in my friends circle, though.
A post-op woman
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James80

I've run into pressure from cisgender people to be stealth, mostly with good/protective intentions.

Whenever I think about it, I always hit the wall of: how will I be a good advocate for the community if I deny my own membership in it as soon as I pass? Um...I'm sure there are ways, but I would rather take the simpler course and just let people know or not know based on what happens naturally.

I'm still transitioning, so everyone around me right now knows. To go stealth, I would have to start life over. Even then, it's pretty easy to find out about someone's past. I've seen it done. :(
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jentay1367

I think you should be who you wanna be with who you wanna be it. It's your life. If you feel it would enhance it by sharing your transness with one and not another, that's just wisdom and an opportunity to make each particular relationship as valuable and precious as it may be. I can see telling some so as to let my guard down and truly be me. Others that may hold prejudice or preconceived ideals simply have no need to know. Consider yourself blessed to be able to pick and choose.
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Wednesday

Do you all imagine how it would be being an stealth person in a trans comunity? I mean, a person "supposed" to be trans in a trans community but who is cis in reality? lol
"Witches were a bit like cats" - Terry Pratchett
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Doreen

For me the question about no pictures is exceedingly simple.. because none exist.  It involved a fire, old pictures, old house, and every last bit of 'evidence' of life before.  Helps I was home schooled and camera shy in the first place.  So ya, not a single photo exists of the me "before" that I am aware of.  But ya if you become intimate, it might be necessary. 

I know some folks look questionable enough for questions to exist and that'll always be a dark cloud over their lives.. for them its probably wise not to be stealth.   In the end its a personal choice :)

Quote from: Ritana on June 10, 2017, 03:49:38 PM
Many thanks for sharing your different perspectives, girls!

I think some of you have mis-interpreted what I said. I am not intending to totally give up stealth. I  just wanna be relaxed about being trans. For example, with my last bf, since he questioned me about the scars on my vagina, and whether I had a surgery down there I became too anxious and depressed. I couldn't stay with him much longer as I knew that deep down he still had doubts. For example, two weeks after he questioned me about the scars, he asked me how come I didn't have any photos of my childhood. Had I been relaxed about being trans, I would have told him as soon as the relationship became serious.

Extreme stealth does have its consequences throughout the years. Subconsciously, we know we are not ciswomen. We have to tell a few lies to corroborate our "claim/ assertion" that we're cis such as talking about having a  period,; the reason why we don't have/ intend to have children. It has been my experience that lies are difficult to sustain in the long term. Plus, lies breed more lies and create a pressure to stick the story as told and not slip up....


Anyway, at this stage I haven't told anyone yet. However, I decided to be honest and tell my next bf when the relationship becomes serious. I have recently started seeing a guy who seems very open-minded about life in general. I don't wanna have to live in the closet anymore as far as relationships are concerned. Anything outside a relagionship that may t require disclosing, will be considered individually. Whatever the decision , I will have to be happy and ralaxed about it. After all, that is all what matters in the end.

Hugs,

Ritana
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Anne Blake

I love this thread! I am into my 8th month of RLE and just short of a year on hormones. It surprises me to no end when I find out that I pass in most situations. And I love it! I am an older lady, 69 years old so it is a bit easier, who really looks at an older woman. But I also find it to be lonely at times and I very much enjoy the different circles that I am fully known in and can celebrate all of my life and use that shared knowledge of each other  to build each other up and more fully support others in times of need. I also choose at times to out myself during opportunities to educate the muggels around us.

Anne
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jentay1367

I try to imagine a world where I tell no one and no one knows. No one? It feels a bit empty to me. I'm doing this partly to drop the secretivity. So I would just be trading one secret for another. I don't judge. But I don't eversee total stealthworking for me. Even if it were possible.
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Debra

Everyone kind of has a difference stance on this. Or at least there are many different stances out there to choose from.

You know what? It's your life. Live it how you want. Nobody says you have to be stealth or that you can't be.

I, myself have changed stances on it through the years. I wasn't stealth and then last few yrs I've been more stealth and now I'm trying to get comfortable with not talking about it but then not freaking out if someone figures it out either.

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Zumbagirl

I didn't do all I did just to be known as trans. I myself believe that I should have been born a female, so I fixed it. Now I live, eat and breathe in girl world and life couldn't be better. To me stealth isn't a burden, it's just the way I roll. If it were me, I would consider the outing very very carefully, because once it's said it can never be unsaid. If you don't like the outcome you might find yourself packing your bags and moving to a new location to establish a new life once the parents start yanking their kids away.

I don't consider myself transphobic, I just feel that I don't have much in common with 'the community' other than offering advice to others.
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Janes Groove

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Ritana

Quote from: Doreen on June 11, 2017, 07:50:16 PM
For me the question about no pictures is exceedingly simple.. because none exist.  It involved a fire, old pictures, old house, and every last bit of 'evidence' of life before.  Helps I was home schooled and camera shy in the first place.  So ya, not a single photo exists of the me "before" that I am aware of.  But ya if you become intimate, it might be necessary. 

I know some folks look questionable enough for questions to exist and that'll always be a dark cloud over their lives.. for them its probably wise not to be stealth.   In the end its a personal choice :)


I do not look look questionable in any way, shape or form. I am 8 years post-op (started transition at 17, and had srs 2.5 years later) and during those years, Ive had numerious boyfriends I lived with, got intimate with, shared holidays, showers with... you name it. I have never been clocked by any of them, with the exception of the last one who simply enquired about the very subtle v-shape scars on my vagina. He is very fond of performing oral sex on g irls and he had never come across such a thing in the past (he might even have googled it).

That is to say, my passability is beyond question. I know there are degrees of passability, but at the same time, not many would repeatedly pass at an.intimate level like I have been for many many years. I consider myself.lucky and blessed in that resoect..  Having said that, my issue is different.  I do not intend to totally  give up stealth which I have enjoyed for over ten years now. I just wanna be OK with being trans should my past resurface at any point like ending up in hospital. I also think that leading your.partner to believe you are a natal wonan when.in fact your are a transgender woman is a lie no matter what excuse you have. I know being trans is not a big deal for us trans folks but it is a big deal for cis folks and in the mainstream dating world. Your past may catch up with you at any time during your life. I know this from experience.

Fiinally, I.would like to.point out that-as a young transitioner- I  have been through a long period of stealth during which I have had the opportunity to reflect on a lot of things. The above view/  conclusion is the result of a long and rich experience of being an.extreme stealth. I, however, used to have a different view during the first years of my transition. As someone said in the comments, living in hiding is never fun.



A post-op woman
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AnonyMs

Quote from: Ritana on June 12, 2017, 10:34:13 AM
As someone said in the comments, living in hiding is never fun.

That's what I'm doing and it sucks big time. I've been on HRT around 9 years now, and doing everything I can to avoid social transition. Almost no one knows I'm trans and my life revolves around hiding it, which given 9 years on HRT is a lot of hiding.

I'm totally sick of it, and the last thing I want if I do socially transition is to jump from one closet into another. I look at the people here who are out and proud, and that's who I want to be. Perhaps its lucky there will be no choice in it when the day comes, given my age and ties there's no way to avoid it. Even on this site I leave out so much of my life just in case it identifies me, which most of it won't, but its not really rational at this point.

I want to get the worst over and get it out of the way because I'm quite sure what in my head at this point is worse than real life. I've spent the last 10 years rearranging my life to make as certain of that as can be.

I want to stop thinking about it all the time and just relax. Maybe one day.
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Ritana

I suppose that's another form of hiding and yes... hiding is never fun.
A post-op woman
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MeghanAndrews

Quote from: Debra on June 11, 2017, 11:52:09 PM
Everyone kind of has a difference stance on this. Or at least there are many different stances out there to choose from.

You know what? It's your life. Live it how you want. Nobody says you have to be stealth or that you can't be.

I, myself have changed stances on it through the years. I wasn't stealth and then last few yrs I've been more stealth and now I'm trying to get comfortable with not talking about it but then not freaking out if someone figures it out either.
What Debra said...the thing is, when we transitioned, trans stuff wasn't all over the place like it is now, you know? You could go stealth and not ever hear about trans stuff for a long time. It isn't that way anymore...you will be subjected to trans stuff all over the place whether you are trans or not. I don't go waving a trans flag or anything, but I will out myself if I feel the situation is appropriate. As an example, if I'm speaking to medical professionals about trans stuff, I'll out myself, it carries more credibility with it. If I'm at a doctor's office getting medical care, always.

I view trans not as a birth defect or some curse or blessing...it's just a life event, like other life events. It's an event I went through a long time ago. I don't have any shame around it at all. It's like talking about an old job I had years ago...I remember it, I can talk about it, but I'm not attached to it so it doesn't carry much weight around it. I have this saying that I can talk about it because I'm far enough from it that it doesn't have any negativity or shame around it, you know? Best of luck on your journey :)
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tgirlamg

Hi Ritana....

I realized a couple years ago that the weight of trying to live stealth would be overwhelming and color my every interaction with those around me ... Injecting worry into every encounter about being discovered... I was able to come to a place in my mind after much reflection that it didn't matter... Being seen as female is enough... If people see me as a cis woman ... Great!... If they see me as a transwoman... Great!!!...if they see me as a middle age guy in women's clothes I can deal with that too!!!...  This mindset has given me so much in terms of just being able to relax and look at my interactions with others as what they should be.. Pleasant... Not sources of stress and triggers to be self critical... To this day, I have never had what I would call a truly negative experience with anyone that may have seen me as a transwoman...

Onward we go!

Ashley :)
"To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you something else is the greatest accomplishment" ... Ralph Waldo Emerson 🌸

"The individual has always had to struggle from being overwhelmed by the tribe... But, no price is too high for the privilege of owning yourself" ... Rudyard Kipling 🌸

Let go of the things that no longer serve you... Let go of the pretense of the false persona, it is not you... Let go of the armor that you have worn for a lifetime, to serve the expectations of others and, to protect the woman inside... She needs protection no longer.... She is tired of hiding and more courageous than you know... Let her prove that to you....Let her step out of the dark and feel the light upon her face.... amg🌸

Ashley's Corner: https://www.susans.org/index.php/topic,247549.0.html 🌻
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Ritana

Quote from: MeghanAndrews on June 19, 2017, 11:19:08 AM
What Debra said...the thing is, when we transitioned, trans stuff wasn't all over the place like it is now, you know? You could go stealth and not ever hear about trans stuff for a long time. It isn't that way anymore...you will be subjected to trans stuff all over the place whether you are trans or not. I don't go waving a trans flag or anything, but I will out myself if I feel the situation is appropriate. As an example, if I'm speaking to medical professionals about trans stuff, I'll out myself, it carries more credibility with it. If I'm at a doctor's office getting medical care, always.

I view trans not as a birth defect or some curse or blessing...it's just a life event, like other life events. It's an event I went through a long time ago. I don't have any shame around it at all. It's like talking about an old job I had years ago...I remember it, I can talk about it, but I'm not attached to it so it doesn't carry much weight around it. I have this saying that I can talk about it because I'm far enough from it that it doesn't have any negativity or shame around it, you know? Best of luck on your journey :)



I like your attitude!
A post-op woman
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Ritana



Hi Ashley

". Not sources of stress and triggers to be self critical... "

This is how I felt when my last bf enquired about the tiny scars on my vagina, and this is what got me to consider giving up some aspects of stealth.
A post-op woman
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Lisa_K

I'm really not a fan of some of the language used these days. Stealth always makes me think of military aircraft hiding from enemy detection but I guess I'll just go with the flow? I've seen terms come and go and maybe someday someone will come up with better words, but I digress...

I'm a newcomer to the trans community. It's been about two years since I've started paying attention, reading, researching and learning about things after having my head buried in the sand about it all for many years as being trans has not been on my radar or a part of my life.

The thing is though that being trans is part of my history and something I lived with as a child and dealt with as a teenager. I was never really established or accepted as a boy and began transitioning at 15, started hormones at 17 and finished social transition immediately after graduating high school. There's not so much unusual about that except this was from 1970 to 1973. I has SRS at age 22 in 1977 which will be exactly forty years ago tomorrow.

I was fortunate enough to blend in or in today's parlance, I passed well. That was a requirement back then. I got my first job as a receptionist in a busy office at 19 and I was scared to death and more than a little paranoid of people finding out and the constant worry was draining but just a part of life. Within the next year or so, I had found an even better job where again no one knew and I always felt like I would just die if they did. It would have been the ultimate embarrassment plus in 1975~1976, society wasn't particularly favorable or knowledgeable about trans folk and I imagined all kinds of terrible things that could happen but work was going good, I had my own tiny place and was covering the bills. My mom and step-dad and the doctor I saw were the only ones that knew about my "problem".

Inside though, my life was crumbling and I was going downhill fast. Ever getting surgery seemed impossible and hopeless and depression and thoughts of ending it all only grew stronger. In my more desperate moments, I thought about robbing a bank and not even caring if I died in a shootout or something because I was headed for suicide anyway.

At rock bottom with all hopes seemingly exhausted and as a last ditch effort, I did one of the hardest things I'd ever done in my life at the time. With all embarrassment and dignity aside, I explained my situation to our HR Director at work to see if there was any chance I could get coverage through our group insurance plan to cover my operation and if she would help me find out. I figured this news would spread like wildfire throughout the company but she assured me it would be kept confidential. To make a long story short, with a lot of back and forth between multiple doctors and Met Life™, my surgery was covered, which may have been a first for them (?) and my absence was explained to my co-workers that I was out having some "female troubles" taken care of. I worked there for another two years after that and as far as I know, my privacy or stealthy-ness was maintained. Nobody treated me any differently or ask me about or anything and this was just about when Renée Richards was making headlines and people's heads were exploding. In this case, breaking stealth saved my life.

I was pretty freaked out about people knowing and felt like it would have been the end of the world if they did. This got to be a real burden to lug around and I did make a few close friends I shared my history with, one that is still a good friend even today. She helped me learn that if people know you and like you, it doesn't really matter that much and is quickly forgotten. I had slept with a few people and not said anything but began to feel guilty about that plus I knew it was dangerous as heck but at work and in the rest of my life, I was not out at all. I was still really uncomfortable with people knowing about my history because I felt I would be looked at differently. I had no involvement at all with trans or LGB anything.

Moving ahead to my late 20's, I did tell my future husband before we got married. He freaked out for a while and I thought it was over but he came around. He was a macho guy in a macho profession and I'm sure he wouldn't have been too happy for his work buddies or his parents to find out so the stealth life continued. I didn't really even think about it.

In about 1992 or '93, when I'd have been about 37-38, I became good friends with a girl at work and over time told her my story. Well, it was so juicy I guess that she had to tell everyone in the office! It was a small company though and nobody seemed to care. The owner/boss, who was never shy about letting me know he thought I was attractive (in a nice way) asked me privately one day if what he had heard about me was true. I said it was and not much more. It was never mentioned again.

I was pretty depressed and upset about this for a while. I didn't want people to know that I had changed sex and the thought that people were probably trying to picture me as male really bothered me considering I'm sure they'd have all been way off base anyway. In spite of this, life went on. People didn't treat me any differently.

In 1995, I quit this job and started my own business. I brought several big accounts with me that I had been dealing with for several years prior. Jump ahead to today and I still have some of these customers and several hundred of their employees that have known me well over twenty-five years. The last thing in the world I would want would be to have any of these folks know my trans history so as you can imagine, I'm pretty protective of my privacy.

I'm also a member of a hobby club that is mostly guys and I sure as heck wouldn't want them to know either or my neighbors who happen to love me!

Curiously, the place where I used to work where everybody knew is still in business and I started doing sub-contract work for them about ten years ago. The owner is someone I consider a friend and in all these years, anything to do with me being trans has never been mentioned again since the early '90's. It just doesn't really matter.

So, I live my life in stealth for the most part but there are a couple of people I've known a long time that do know and I'm okay with that. All my family and relatives are gone and there's no one that ever knew me before I transitioned at 18. I've really gotten over the paranoia and feeling like I have something to hide but it is still nobody's business and I'd prefer it remain private. I don't do Facebook or any other social media but I have recently come out online and have found that talking about being trans is kind of refreshing after keeping it under wraps for close to 45 years.

I have found with people that know you well, being trans is just a blip on the radar like any medical condition that was corrected a long time ago might be. It isn't even worth mentioning so I sure don't go around volunteering it. If I were to become intimate with someone, which would only happen if I knew them and cared about them, then we'd have to have the talk because for some, unfortunately being trans is still a little bit more than a blip on the radar.

Sorry for the long post. :( I've thought about this a lot over the years and never discussed it with anyone. It is kind of nice to have a place where it is okay to be out. I still don't want anybody to know though.  ;)
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tgirlamg

Lisa!...

You have traveled far and seen much!!!... I have so much respect for those who made it happen in " The Old Days"... I was a sophomore in High School in '77 when you were getting your SRS and know how little info was easily found in those days to move ahead the way you did! Kudos, Blessings and Thanks for sharing a piece of your journey with us!!!

Onward we go!

Ashley :)
"To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you something else is the greatest accomplishment" ... Ralph Waldo Emerson 🌸

"The individual has always had to struggle from being overwhelmed by the tribe... But, no price is too high for the privilege of owning yourself" ... Rudyard Kipling 🌸

Let go of the things that no longer serve you... Let go of the pretense of the false persona, it is not you... Let go of the armor that you have worn for a lifetime, to serve the expectations of others and, to protect the woman inside... She needs protection no longer.... She is tired of hiding and more courageous than you know... Let her prove that to you....Let her step out of the dark and feel the light upon her face.... amg🌸

Ashley's Corner: https://www.susans.org/index.php/topic,247549.0.html 🌻
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Barb99

#39
Hi Lisa,
I am of your era. I graduated high school in '73 and by '77 I knew I wanted to transition. The requirements for HRT and the lack of acceptance from society scared me so much that I just buried that desire for the next 40 years.
I find this thread interesting because after a year and a half full time and 6 months post op I am considering going "stealth".

I transitioned openly so going stealth here and now would be impossible, but in a year and a half I am retiring and moving to another state where no one knows me. I can't say as I pass 100%, but well enough that I believe I could deflect any questions that could come up.

As with you I don't really like the word "stealth". I just seems to absolute. There are people that I feel would just have to know, any doctors I deal with, anyone I may have a serious sexual relationship with, legal dealings where my history may have to go back more than a few years and others that I probably haven't thought of.

In the last few months I've been going out to new places and trying to meet new people. So far no one has suspected that I transitioned or at least they don't say anything and this is kind of how I would like life to be. I don't feel as if I'm hiding anything, it just doesn't come up. I had lung surgery several years ago and that doesn't come up either. I view that and transitioning in the same light, they both happened but it's in the past and not really relevant to day to day life.

If someone were to figure it out or a good friend were to become genuinely inquisitive I would have no problem talking about my transition, though I would ask that it be kept confidential.

Can I ever go 100% stealth? Probably not. But if I can just live a normal, average everyday life as a woman I'll be very happy.
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