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Transition in 1970s/1980s/1990s

Started by brazilliangirl89, June 15, 2017, 01:04:59 PM

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brazilliangirl89

Hi,

My name is Amanda, 28 years old, I started my transition at 13 and had GCS in 2015. I'm from Brazil, so I'm sorry for my english.  I feel transitioning at the early 2000s was a little different than today, because back then there was not as much information available, and people in general didn't discuss trans issues like today.  No doctor would help me with hormones, so I had to do it by myself, but I didn't find much online information in portuguese. I just used the medication other girls told me to. It may sound ridiculous but as a teenager I didn't know I hd the right of being respected, that people calling me names was somehow ok, or that I could have a normal job. But at least I had internet. I wonder how difficult it was for trans girls at the 1960's,1970's, 1980's, 1990's, without those resources and all the discrimination. I'm so fascinated to learn about those stories and have so much admiration for those women. I recently saw on youtube a documentary called "what sex am I" from 1985 and some videos on youtube. I would like to know where can I find more about that period, and know more about our history? And also I would like to know, for the girls that did it decades ago, how was transitioning back then, what were the strugles ans how you find a way to transition? Also, I would like to say to the girls that paved the way for us that came after how much I admire you all. Kisses.
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Dena

Instead of one stop shopping like today, we used every resource we could get our hand on. Libraries, doctors, newspapers, other transgenders and once you were connected, there were transgender publications you could use to stay up to date. The Janus information facility was one source of pamphlets and I subscribed to a monthly publication that showed up in a yellowish brown envelop with no markings on the outside  ;D In my case, my first therapist connected me to my second therapist who started me on HRT. One day when I was in the Endo's office, I learned about my third therapist who ran a group and that's were the magic happened. In my case, a little bit of luck was more valuable that all the work I had done before that.

For me, this site is just like the group therapy I was in. The more experienced members passing on what they know to the next generation. The only difference is now I am a senior member though there are a few on the site who had their surgery before me.
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Julia1996

I can't even imagine what it must have been like back then. I've heard some awful things about those days but I don't know if they are true. I heard you couldn't even have SRS in the USA until like the 70s. And that back then they used to just inject silicone into the chest instead of like real implants. OMG!!  I also heard you could get arrested for wearing female clothes in public and that you could even be thrown in the nut house for it. Does anyone know if any of that stuff is true?
Julia


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Maybebaby56

There was a member on this site with whom I exchanged e-mails who told me she was sent to a psychiatric hospital when she was 13 after being caught wearing her mother's lipstick.  This was the late 1960s.  She spent three years locked up, and was forcibly drugged, given electroshock, and "reparative" therapy, while also being beaten and raped by some of the staff. 

Johns Hopkins medical school began offering some services to transsexuals in the 1960s, but that was eventually shut down because of Paul McHugh.  Very interesting article on it if you're interested what it was like then: https://timeline.com/americas-first-transgender-clinic-b56928e20f5f.

With kindness,

Terri
"How we spend our days is, of course, how we spend our lives" - Annie Dillard
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HappyMoni

I was born in 1957 and growing up there were only a few things I knew that were trans related. I stole (and later returned) two books from the library, one on Christine Jorgenson, and a novel called Myra Breckinridge. I was fascinated with Renee Richards, the tennis player. Of course, that was  considered so bizarre at the time, it only made me sad. Oh, there was a story from a relatives Playboy about guys going to sleep and waking up as gals. I was fascinated. All   the feedback for anything trans was negative. It wasn't until 2-3 years ago that I went on line and found out there were happy trans people. It was so scary to me to have any record on my computer that I had read anything trans. I was convinced everyone would hate me if they knew. Well maybe that still stands today.
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Lucy Ross

Quote from: brazilliangirl89 on June 15, 2017, 01:04:59 PM
I recently saw on youtube a documentary called "what sex am I" from 1985 and some videos on youtube.



You may be interested in the Digital Transgender Archive, which has scans of past publications like Dena mentions.
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Maybebaby56

Quote from: Julie Ross on June 15, 2017, 05:03:06 PM
You may be interested in the Digital Transgender Archive, which has scans of past publications like Dena mentions.

Very cool link, thank you!

~Terri
"How we spend our days is, of course, how we spend our lives" - Annie Dillard
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brazilliangirl89

Quote from: Julie Ross on June 15, 2017, 05:03:06 PM


You may be interested in the Digital Transgender Archive, which has scans of past publications like Dena mentions.

Thanks so much I didn't know about this website =)
I read somewhere that Veronica died in 1998 from aids, and her fried is also dead. They were both beautiful.
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brazilliangirl89

Quote from: Dena on June 15, 2017, 03:51:37 PM
Instead of one stop shopping like today, we used every resource we could get our hand on. Libraries, doctors, newspapers, other transgenders and once you were connected, there were transgender publications you could use to stay up to date. The Janus information facility was one source of pamphlets and I subscribed to a monthly publication that showed up in a yellowish brown envelop with no markings on the outside  ;D In my case, my first therapist connected me to my second therapist who started me on HRT. One day when I was in the Endo's office, I learned about my third therapist who ran a group and that's were the magic happened. In my case, a little bit of luck was more valuable that all the work I had done before that.

For me, this site is just like the group therapy I was in. The more experienced members passing on what they know to the next generation. The only difference is now I am a senior member though there are a few on the site who had their surgery before me.

Thank you so much for sharing your experience =)
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LizK

When I sought my first help at age 18 I risked incarceration in a psychiatric hospital, I would certainly have been unable to practice as a psychiatric Nurse which I was training for. AS it was she put me through a battery of tests...My first piece of solid literature was a paperback by Jan Morris, Conundrum.

The only information I had up to about 12 or 13 and was that "->-bleeped-<-s" encompassed anyone that did not abide by the binary dress codes. There was some tabloid mention of Christine Georgeson, but I grew up in a particularly backward thinking town. 

I remember the boy next door was gay and in those days being out and gay was very risky. He took constant beatings to the point where he stopped going to school and his parents sent him to the other end of the country. Gay people also included everyone we now have under the trans umbrella.

Is it any wonder some of us who grew up in those times are so scarred that they cannot and never will come to terms with who they are. I guess its easier now and so it should be, we have the science we know the treatments and as a society we continue to move forward  albeit somewhat slowly at times.
Transition Begun 25 September 2015
HRT since 17 May 2016,
Fulltime from 8 March 2017,
GCS 4 December 2018
Voice Surgery 01 February 2019
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DawnOday

Quote from: HappyMoni on June 15, 2017, 04:37:36 PM
I was born in 1957 and growing up there were only a few things I knew that were trans related. I stole (and later returned) two books from the library, one on Christine Jorgenson, and a novel called Myra Breckinridge. I was fascinated with Renee Richards, the tennis player. Of course, that was  considered so bizarre at the time, it only made me sad. Oh, there was a story from a relatives Playboy about guys going to sleep and waking up as gals. I was fascinated. All   the feedback for anything trans was negative. It wasn't until 2-3 years ago that I went on line and found out there were happy trans people. It was so scary to me to have any record on my computer that I had read anything trans. I was convinced everyone would hate me if they knew. Well maybe that still stands today.
Moni
Moni
Nobody here hates you. You are a beacon of logic and good advice. I so appreciate being able to consult your comments for gems of wisdom.
I was poisoned in utero by DES as were many of us older members. The younger folks were probably poisoned by hormones in their food. Don't know for sure because research would disprove we do not choose to be this way and that would destroy the religious argument. For myself I could not come out but I could be razzed for some of my "short" comings. The locker room can be a very sad place for some. I first tried to admit my gender confusion in 1983 but did not feel comfortable because it was taboo at the time. Mostly we didn't speak of transgender we were all ->-bleeped-<-s. At the time you would not hear about trans people unless they were caught in a car with Eddie Murphy, or Hugh Grant an there we all ->-bleeped-<-s and crossdressers. I tried 6 more times but chickened out each time. Last spring I was becoming unbearable with the dysphoria. the questions about how it has affected me. Made me a loaner, without many friends and not really seeking any. I did not like sneaking around. I was a lot easier to go to a motel for $6 bucks and not the $140 today. But dressing up was not fulfilling and I wanted more. I prayed for more. When I was working and the depression would rise, I would tell my boss it wasn't easy being me. I have never thought of harming myself because this sad life is better than no life. I have been tremendously blessed and feel whatever problems I now have with my wife we will be able to work through as we have all problems the last 35 years. Since I began HRT 10 months ago I can't get this crap eating grin off my face. Despite the occasional setback. I have never been happier. Unfortunately HRT is as far as I go.
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First indication I was different- 1956 kindergarten
First crossdress - Asked mother to dress me in sisters costumes  Age 7
First revelation - 1982 to my present wife
First time telling the truth in therapy June 15, 2016
Start HRT Aug 2016
First public appearance 5/15/17



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Dena

The newsletter I received was called Transition and I still have everything I sent for and all the news items I clipped from the paper. Some have yellowed a bit but they are still readable. There are enough of them that they might exceed the storage limit of a web server and I am not sure about copyright issues on some of it. Maybe I should get my home server working again and store them there. Unfortunately I was afraid to save the first news paper item that taught me about myself but it's possible I could recover it from the news paper archives.
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DawnOday

Quote from: Dena on June 15, 2017, 03:51:37 PM
Instead of one stop shopping like today, we used every resource we could get our hand on. Libraries, doctors, newspapers, other transgenders and once you were connected, there were transgender publications you could use to stay up to date. The Janus information facility was one source of pamphlets and I subscribed to a monthly publication that showed up in a yellowish brown envelop with no markings on the outside  ;D In my case, my first therapist connected me to my second therapist who started me on HRT. One day when I was in the Endo's office, I learned about my third therapist who ran a group and that's were the magic happened. In my case, a little bit of luck was more valuable that all the work I had done before that.

For me, this site is just like the group therapy I was in. The more experienced members passing on what they know to the next generation. The only difference is now I am a senior member though there are a few on the site who had their surgery before me.

I wish I had known you back then.
Dawn Oday

It just feels right   :icon_hug: :icon_hug: :icon_kiss: :icon_kiss: :icon_kiss:

If you have a a business or service that supports our community please submit for our Links Page.

First indication I was different- 1956 kindergarten
First crossdress - Asked mother to dress me in sisters costumes  Age 7
First revelation - 1982 to my present wife
First time telling the truth in therapy June 15, 2016
Start HRT Aug 2016
First public appearance 5/15/17



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Lady Sarah

I had almost started with my transition in 1986. Circumstances prevented it. It certainly wasn't easy in 1991 either. The only help I could find was with the facilitator of group therapy. If it weren't for her, I have no idea when I would have tried again.
Things were hard enough that I learned to blaze my own trail wherever I go.
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Karen_A

#14
Quote from: Maybebaby56 on June 15, 2017, 04:32:24 PM
There was a member on this site with whom I exchanged e-mails who told me she was sent to a psychiatric hospital when she was 13 after being caught wearing her mother's lipstick.  This was the late 1960s. 

Where was that?

In that time period I was in grade school and  sometimes snuck out of the house at night dressed from head to toe in my mothers clothes and walked around the neighborhood... even went into a drugstore once that way!

FWIW I transitioned in the mid 90s.

- karen
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Michelle_P

I had issues growing up in the late 1950s and 1960s.  In 1968, I was caught dressing and taken around to be evaluated.  My folks were offered state of the art treatment for me, electroconvulsive followed by faradic or chemical aversion therapy.   Mom talked them down to just testosterone injections, to treat this and my delayed onset of puberty (DES effects), combined with counseling by our local religious leader.  I was eventually 'cured' of my perversion. Transition was never an option.

The "cure" unraveled in my late 20s as my mind slowly healed.  I figured out that I was transgender in my early 30s, the early 1980s, but determined to suppress this for my wife and young children.

It took almost a half century of increasingly severe dysphoria, depression, and anxiety to overcome the damage and bring me to the point of suicide or seeking treatment.  I decided to reach out when I was holding the pills in my hand.

I'm better now.

If transition had been a real option I would have loved to have done it.  It wasn't.  Things were very different back then for many of us.
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Michelle G

When I was ten in the mid 60's I asked my mother to call me Michelle instead of the boy version of that name that they gave me, it didn't go over to well and I learned to just keep it inside to stay put of trouble and ridicule.
In our small town there was zero awareness or even info on anything trans related and all I knew is that I wanted to be just like my sister who is two years younger than me and the girl version of how I should have been.
It was so hard all those years to come to keep it hidden and six years ago I was finally in a much better relationship with a very understanding spouse who when I spilled it all on her just said "well I guess we better go clothes shopping for you", that was the best dream come true I could ever have imagined, and discovering this wonderful forum has made it even better.
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rose

It's 2017 but believe it or not some countries are way back in time in transgender rights
The calendar says 2017 but how things are where I live exactly like 1900
Lol if there no net available I won't know anything
No treatment or any kind of sympathy infact transgender are viewed as criminals

It's funny we live in the same time line but very different experiences


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Lisa_K

I've browsed this site off and on for a while now but this thread prompted me to actually sign up because I possibly have few things to contribute as I have some limited experience in this area. I'm 62½ years old and dealt with being trans as a child in the 1960's and on into my teen years so my parents did much of the leg work for me. Contrary to some popular opinions, trans youth are not just a recent phenomenon but I suspect most from my generation didn't survive?

In 1965 when I was ten years old, my folks took me to a child psychiatrist for the first time to see if they could figure out what to do with me but during those times, doctors didn't know enough about trans stuff in general and the notion that children could be trans was completely unheard of so it wasn't very helpful. For years, I was schlepped around to different doctors but I was a smart enough kid to keep my mouth shut fearing all the horrible things that could happen like being taken away from my parents and institutionalized. I felt very broken and didn't want anyone to know. In spite of that, all my parents were told was that I was probably going to grow up and be gay because I was so girly. I don't imagine they were thrilled but it was some sort of plausible explanation for things but they loved me and it didn't matter. They were more concerned by the social problems all this was causing more than the person I was.

My life has been pretty weird because I was never really seen as much of a boy. I started growing out my hair after the 2nd grade which only added to my problems in school. I had my own dolls and Barbies and EZ-Bake ovens and while being mostly shunned and ostracized, the friends I did have were girls and all the typical stuff you hear about, yada, yada.

I started 7th grade, junior high, in 1967 and that's when things really became difficult. The school wouldn't enroll me because my hair was too long but after my parents threatened to sue the school board, the matter was dropped. Then there was gym class and locker rooms and showers and there was no way in the world I was doing that and life became really difficult. The letter one of my shrinks wrote thankfully got me out of that and I spent the 7th and 8th grade PE class folding towels in the coach's office. As one might imagine, all this came with a lot of bullying which was a lot more than just harsh words and taunts.

In the 10th grade when I was fifteen (1970), I was attacked by a group of homophobic boys, ended up in the hospital and missed nearly a month of school. This was the real turning point in my life and in spite of being punished for talking about it when I was child, I finally opened up to my folks with the things I knew about myself. I was not a boy, never had been a boy and there was no way I ever was going to grow up and be a man. That simply was never going to happen, one way or the other.

This came as no big surprise or a shock but as my mom said, there wasn't much that could be done about it. "Transitioning" was simply not something kids did, heck, even cross-dressing was illegal but I was allowed to be androgynous as I could get away with without getting kicked out of school and even that took a lot of my parents frequently visiting the school on my behalf with notes from shrinks that I was never quite sure what they said. I got my ears pierced, shaved my legs, got my brows done and was the biggest freak anyone had ever seen. We still didn't have words for this or labels but I was just who I was.

By the time I was 16 or so, outside of the school environment most people assumed I was a girl. By this time I was spending hours in the main public library researching and learning as much as I could and my parents continued to find professional resources that might have a clue. The summer after my junior year, with a lot of letter writing and phone calls, my folks did find a doctor 150 miles away that knew what the heck they were doing and unlike anyone I'd ever seen before, he knew right away what was going on. At 17 (1972), I started HRT and by the time I graduated, had long blonde hair to my elbows, obvious breast development and a nice curves on my thin 5' 7" body. From the way I was treated in school, you'd have thought I was a leper or had a contagious disease and I think a lot of kids did think I had some kind of an illness (other than a mental one - haha). It was the hardest time in my life.

The week after I graduated high school in 1973, with a letter from my doctor and a fierce mother at my side, I was able to get my identification changed and my folks made all the arrangements for getting my name legally changed. Switching names and pronouns and making the final steps to fully present as a girl came as a welcome relief to me as well as my folks. It wasn't like there was much to do because I'd already been more or less passing for several years at this point.

I got my first real office job at 19, moved out on my own and began my own quest to get things taken care of. I contacted Johns Hopkins but that was a mess and then Stanford and some place in Texas but it all seemed so hopeless and impossible. What I had going for me was that I was well blended, people didn't know and I had a good job but emotionally/internally, with each passing year the more dark and difficult things became for me.

Without writing more of a novel on how things came about, in June of 1977 I checked into the hospital for SRS at the age of  22. This is when I met and spoke to another trans person for the very first time.

My story is not typical. I was never a man that had to transition during those times and really can't speak for that experience or to the difficulties and challenges faced by those that did face discrimination and prejudice and family and employment problems. I just grew into and grew up to be a girl and I've never been part of the trans or LBG community or been out and only within the last year or so have I taken any interest in others like me but there aren't really many like me close to my age which is kind of frustrating at times. So yeah, whatever was going on in the '60's and '70's for other trans people, I was pretty oblivious to it all due to all the help and support I had from  my amazing parents and by keeping a low profile. Things sure are different these days though because information is so much more readily available and there are other people to talk to, videos to watch and so on plus the medical community has a better understanding than they did in the past.

One of the biggest things I've noticed is back in the day, gatekeeping was a whole lot more strict. If you weren't feminine, heterosexual in your new gender, didn't pass or couldn't hold down a job, no one would treat you or give you the time of day. You were expected to blend into the woodwork and keep your mouth shut. The terminology has changed too. At first, doctors said I had primary transsexualism like being this way was something I had to have. Then they said it was gender dysphoria syndrome then they said it was gender identity disorder. They're still making up their minds but I don't think they'll ever really understand?


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LizK

Hi Lisa_K

Welcome to Susan's. I hope you enjoy your time here.

Great that you have joined the discussion. Sounds like you have a valuable contribution to make. I can certainly remember the text in the Psychiatric Nursing Text book we used on Transsexualism...1/2 a page summed up everything that that knew...pretty much as you describe

"If you weren't feminine, heterosexual in your new gender, didn't pass or couldn't hold down a job, no one would treat you or give you the time of day"

That was certainly still the narrative I was given in 1981/2. We have come a long way thankfully

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