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baseballfan

First off, I want to thank anyone who takes the time to read this.  I know I am new to your community and I am just barging in here asking for input without having participated yet.  I am having a hard time processing my personal feelings and I am not ready to go to people I know in real life about them.  I hope some of you will take the time to give me some feedback, but if you aren't able to I understand.

Second, before I start I want to commend all of you trans folks on this board for your bravery in having the courage to be yourself.  I have never met a trans person in real life (that I know of) and I have always wanted to tell them that.  Those who have had the courage to be who they are.....that takes more guts than most things on this Earth.  It is absolutely amazing.  Just the act of being true to yourself in this setting shows amazing strength.  When you feel discouraged, remember that you are amazingly strong.

Now for why I am posting this message.  Here goes.  I don't really know where to start but I will try and keep it as brief as possible.  We'll see how that goes.

My name is Joe and I am, outwardly, a pretty standard 30 year old heterosexual male.  I work in a male-dominated industry (sports), I have a girlfriend, I love watching and playing sports, beer, concerts, etc.  My deep dark secret, as you may have guessed, is that I have.....lets say a pretty strong feminine side.  I'd almost describe her as an alter ego, and I call her Jessica.

I can remember sneaking into my sister's room and cross dressing from a very early age.  I would wear bathing suits, skirts, dresses, hose, etc.  Sometimes when I was feeling really brave I would let Jessica out for an entire night and wear hose and panties underneath my sweats when I went to sleep.  I was always enthralled by girls, the way they talk, the way they see the world, the way they dress....everything about being a girl.  Sometimes as a kid I used to fantasize as I went to sleep that I would wake up as a girl.  But that wasn't a constant.  Jessica wasn't a constant.  I grew up to be a relatively normal boy....playing sports....dating girls....etc.  And I didn't constantly feel a nagging or anything.  I was pretty comfortable in my own skin.

As I got older the feelings didn't go away, but they subsided a bit.  I discovered the internet and my porn would be sites like fictionmania.  I would still cross dress or fantasize a lot, but I always pretty easily fell back into my "normal" male self.  Jessica was a part of me, but not to the point that I was getting depressed.  In fact I was quite happy as a boy.  I read about transgender folks online and I read that people who were transgendered felt a constant nagging.....a constant depression....they never felt comfortable in their own skin.  I decided that I wasn't transgender because, even though I fantasized about being a girl.....I was still happy and able to function as a boy.  It wasn't an all-encompassing feeling.  I decided that it was just a kink of mine, and I was not a "woman trapped in a man's body" as it is so often described.

Without going into too much detail, because this is super long already, my life mostly progressed like that.  I graduated college, and I got a job.  I would continue to fantasize and let Jessica out (although now that I wasn't at home with access to women's clothes I cooled it on the cross dressing), but otherwise led a standard male life.  I had a close female friend who was a very accepting individual that I would fantasize about telling my secret to and she would help me dress and do makeup and we would hang out as girls from time to time in my fantasy.  I very easily could have done that and that is probably exactly how it would have turned out.  But I never had the courage. 

Anyway, that has pretty much continued until recently (the last 6-9 months).  The part of me that is Jessica has been on my mind more and more often.  She is starting to assert herself more and more, and is becoming more of a constant presence.  It is getting to the point where I am more and more constantly aware of this part of me, and constantly thinking about it.  At work I think about how the job would be if I were a woman.  When I am out I see the women at the bars and think about what it would be like to be them.  I fall asleep thinking about that fantasy I used to have of coming out to my close female friend (who is now married and living in a different state).  Where in the past I could put that part of me on the backburner in the back of my mind for long periods of time, now I can't do that.  It is something I am constantly aware of.  This has just started the last six to nine months.

As part of that, it has (very slowly) gotten me to start questioning my lifelong assumption that this is just a kink.  I have started to seek out articles and message board posts that contain the stories of actual people who have gone through transition.....and I am learning that some folks stories are more like mine.  They maybe were very comfortable in their own skin, even happy, but they just didn't feel fully content.  I am seeing there is more grey area sometimes than I thought.  People don't necessarily feel an overwhelming yearning constantly all the time.  One day, in the last couple weeks, I was reading one of these stories (I think it was about Vivienne Ming) and I just had a thought pop into my head "Wait, am I trans?"  Up until this time, I had never really had that thought seriously before....since I was a kid I had always just thought of it as a kink.  But as these thoughts continue to get stronger and stronger in me, and I become more and more constantly aware of my thoughts and feelings, I have started to wonder if maybe it isn't just a sexual kink.  Maybe I am trans and have just used this to deny it to myself.  That said, I am still comfortable as a man.  I have led a pretty successful life thus far....and I am able to function quite well.  So I don't know. 

Honestly, no matter what my final conclusion is, I doubt I have the balls (or lack thereof haha) to actually do anything about it.  But regardless, before I can even start to entertain those thoughts....I have to figure myself out. 

So I guess my question for this board is....what was your experience?  How did fully discover/admit to yourself you are trans?  Was it a constant feeling since birth?  Do people commonly compartmentalize it like I have described and not come to terms with it until later in life?  Or is the fact that I have been able to push it into the back of my brian kind of make it sound like my original thoughts.....just a kink.  Has anyone else had a similar experience?

Thank you again for taking time to read my novel  :)  Just writing it out and putting it out there in public, even with the anonymity, has been very therapeutic.  To anyone who has gotten this far thank you!

Much love,
Joe/Jessica
Right now, I only go by Jessica on this forum.  Maybe someday I'll go by Jessica everywhere.
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Devlyn

Hi Jessica, welcome to Susan's Place! I've been a member here for seven years, I've been looking at the site for nine. The only thing I didn't see in your post was the military hitch so many of us serve. You came to the right place, and you're among friends here. By the way, you're pretty courageous too in my book.  :)

Hugs, Devlyn
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KathyLauren

Hi Joe/Jessica.

Welcome to the forum.  Your story sounds very typical, and much like mine.  Only in my case, I was able to stay in denial about it for another 30 years.  I kept asking the question, "Am I trans?" and kept answering, "No way!"  Finally, at age 61, I realized that the honest answer was yes.

But yes, what you are feeling is what most of us felt.  We didn't all come out to our parents at age five, like the media darlings do.  We mostly tried to keep it in the closet until it wouldn't stay there any more.

Everyone has different needs and wants and complications and compromises, and a solution that works for one is not necessarily right for another.  So I would recommend doing some investigation of yourself with the help of a gender therapist to explore what would be a good path for you.
2015-07-04 Awakening; 2015-11-15 Out to self; 2016-06-22 Out to wife; 2016-10-27 First time presenting in public; 2017-01-20 Started HRT!!; 2017-04-20 Out publicly; 2017-07-10 Legal name change; 2019-02-15 Approval for GRS; 2019-08-02 Official gender change; 2020-03-11 GRS; 2020-09-17 New birth certificate
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LizK

Hi Joe/Jessica

Welcome to Susan's. I hope you enjoy your time here.

Wow sounds like you have put a great deal of thought into this. I have a failry classic tale, knew when I was 4 or 5 that I was a girl, Made two other attempts to transition in my life and began my final transition 2 years ago. This time round there will be no stopping.

The tipping point came when I realised that if I wanted to be happy which I wasn't at the time then I needed to own my feelings and what they meant for me. To stop hiding behind poor excuses. To stop punishing myself for wanting to be what I was...a woman. Did I really see myself as a woman? Not in the first place no but in my "true heart" I knew the answer was yes and whilst the last 2 years have not been easy, they have certainly been the most rewarding on a personal level. For each of us it is different and depends on your life and where you are in it.

I hope you find the answers you are looking for
 
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ElizabethK
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Things that you should read
Transition Begun 25 September 2015
HRT since 17 May 2016,
Fulltime from 8 March 2017,
GCS 4 December 2018
Voice Surgery 01 February 2019
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Julia1996

Hi Jessica . Welcome to the site. This definitely is the right place for info and support. I have learned so much here. The people here are very kind and understanding and they don't judge. I realized I was trans when I was about 5. I should say I realized I had been born wrong. I didnt know what transgender was when I was 5. I was a very feminine boy. I never liked or understood sports or most "boy things". My parents never tried to force male behavior on me thank god. Since a lot of boy activities are outdoors I wasnt expected to do them. I'm albino and I can't be in sunlight long. And also I was smaller than most boys my age. I was androgynous looking, very fem and it was totally obvious I like boys so everyone assumed I was gay. When I was 17 my dad just asked me if I wanted to be a girl. When I said yes he said I needed to get started and get it out of the way. So I started HRT and transitioned. Now 2 years later my name and all my ID have been changed and I live entirely as a female. When I read stories from the other ladies who had a very male life and successfully played the masculine role for years it fascinates and impresses me. For me that would have been totally impossible.  I couldn't have pulled off masculine behavior for one day nevermind for years. And I would never have been able to have any kind of romantic or sexual relationship with a female.
Julia


Born 1998
Started hrt 2015
SRS done 5/21/2018
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Dena

Welcome to Susan's Place. Dysphoria hits each of us differently and at different ages. We have members who discovered themselves anywhere from about age 3 to age 60. Some of us reach the point of suicide while others just get worn down over the years. There is nothing in your story that makes me doubt that you are transgender however you need to be the one that's sure of it. I have a couple of links that might help. The first is our WIKI where you will learn about the transgender family. The second link is "the transition channel" where a gender therapist will help you examine your feelings.

As for being brave, many of us are not. Often it comes down to the point where the alternative of not transitioning is worst than transitioning. It's best that you address it early on before it comes to that point but far to often we wait until it's almost to late.
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Kendra

Welcome Jessica,
Quote from: baseballfan on June 19, 2017, 01:25:29 AM
>and I become more and more constantly aware of my thoughts and feelings, I have started to wonder if maybe it isn't just a sexual kink.  Maybe I am trans and have just used this to deny it to myself. 

You accurately described an important stage in my path - that was the first question I asked my therapist. 

And on a lighter note.  When I was in Sydney Australia I spotted a hot looking lady wearing a t-shirt that said: "It's only kinky the first time."
Assigned male at birth 1963.  Decided I wanted to be a girl in 1971.  Laser 2014-16, electrolysis 2015-17, HRT 7/2017, GCS 1/2018, VFS 3/2018, FFS 5/2018, Labiaplasty & BA 7/2018. 
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tgirlamg

#7
Hi Joe and welcome to Susans!!!

Yes, your story has themes common to most of us here!.... I had put all of these things tucked away on the back burner of my mind all throughout my life until the feelings became so strong that they demanded my full attention...

My advice would be to find a local therapist who specializes in gender issues through the WPATH website and start to explore why is going on a bit more. Not to say you need to transition but self exploration will help you find how to deal with these things in the way that works best for you... Your feelings seem to be demanding attention from what your have posted here

As Dena indicated... Many of us come to a point where transition and a chance to be our real self is far more acceptable than not transitioning and living out our days hiding from our true self from the world.... My thought about the core of transition is that it is a quest to place ourselves at a point in our life where we can truly give and receive love.... After all, how can we truly feel we are loved for ourselves if no one has seen who we truly are and... How can we truly love others without showing them who we are....I believe the sense of hiding from the world that comes from that led to a lifelong feeling of disconnection from others and the world around me... Transition allowed me to feel the connections as they should be felt for the first time and has allowed me satisfaction in my life at levels I never knew were available to me

Being into sports and male activities can seem like it clouds issues before you look a bit closer....
Here is some excellent reading on the subject by Anne Vitale

http://www.avitale.com/developmentalreview.htm

I believe you will find common ground with the group she describes as group 3, as many of us here do!

This forum is a great resource with a lot of experience so please feel welcome and let us know how to help you as you move along!

Onward we go!!!

Ashley :)
"To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you something else is the greatest accomplishment" ... Ralph Waldo Emerson 🌸

"The individual has always had to struggle from being overwhelmed by the tribe... But, no price is too high for the privilege of owning yourself" ... Rudyard Kipling 🌸

Let go of the things that no longer serve you... Let go of the pretense of the false persona, it is not you... Let go of the armor that you have worn for a lifetime, to serve the expectations of others and, to protect the woman inside... She needs protection no longer.... She is tired of hiding and more courageous than you know... Let her prove that to you....Let her step out of the dark and feel the light upon her face.... amg🌸

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Kendra

I should mention - as I transition I have no intention of dropping several interests that are perceived as male-biased activities. 

I've rebuilt my own transmissions, shoehorned a Ford 302 V8 into a 1978 Toyota pickup, wore out a chopper-style Harley (although I prefer Ducati now).  Currently remodeling my own condo interior when I'm not at work, tore it down to concrete, all electrical, plumbing, framing (second time I have done this, passed all building inspections).  About the only thing I expect to give up: after I start HRT next month I probably won't be able to lift double-sheets of 8 foot wallboard.
Assigned male at birth 1963.  Decided I wanted to be a girl in 1971.  Laser 2014-16, electrolysis 2015-17, HRT 7/2017, GCS 1/2018, VFS 3/2018, FFS 5/2018, Labiaplasty & BA 7/2018. 
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baseballfan

Wow!  Thank you all so much for taking the time to share your thoughts and support.  Thank you as well for sharing the resources and guidance you have shared. 

As I have said, the feelings have swelled up in me and I am definitely intrigued that some of you have said you have had similar feelings. 

I will definitely look to stay active in this community and contribute what I can.  Thank you so much for sharing your stories with me!
Right now, I only go by Jessica on this forum.  Maybe someday I'll go by Jessica everywhere.
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baseballfan

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on June 19, 2017, 06:12:36 AM
Hi Jessica, welcome to Susan's Place! I've been a member here for seven years, I've been looking at the site for nine. The only thing I didn't see in your post was the military hitch so many of us serve. You came to the right place, and you're among friends here. By the way, you're pretty courageous too in my book.  :)

Hugs, Devlyn

Hello Devlyn,

No I am not in the military (although strangely enough my girlfriend was in the Army).  Thank you taking the time to read and for the kind words!
Right now, I only go by Jessica on this forum.  Maybe someday I'll go by Jessica everywhere.
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baseballfan

Quote from: KathyLauren on June 19, 2017, 06:22:01 AM
Hi Joe/Jessica.

Welcome to the forum.  Your story sounds very typical, and much like mine.  Only in my case, I was able to stay in denial about it for another 30 years.  I kept asking the question, "Am I trans?" and kept answering, "No way!"  Finally, at age 61, I realized that the honest answer was yes.

But yes, what you are feeling is what most of us felt.  We didn't all come out to our parents at age five, like the media darlings do.  We mostly tried to keep it in the closet until it wouldn't stay there any more.

Everyone has different needs and wants and complications and compromises, and a solution that works for one is not necessarily right for another.  So I would recommend doing some investigation of yourself with the help of a gender therapist to explore what would be a good path for you.

Hello, and thanks for your insight.  If you are willing to elaborate, I would be curious as to some examples of things that happened or feelings you had that made you ask yourself if you were trans, and what some of the rationale you gave yourself as to why you decided you weren't earlier on in your life. 
Right now, I only go by Jessica on this forum.  Maybe someday I'll go by Jessica everywhere.
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baseballfan

Quote from: Julia1996 on June 19, 2017, 07:23:15 AM
Hi Jessica . Welcome to the site. This definitely is the right place for info and support. I have learned so much here. The people here are very kind and understanding and they don't judge. I realized I was trans when I was about 5. I should say I realized I had been born wrong. I didnt know what transgender was when I was 5. I was a very feminine boy. I never liked or understood sports or most "boy things". My parents never tried to force male behavior on me thank god. Since a lot of boy activities are outdoors I wasnt expected to do them. I'm albino and I can't be in sunlight long. And also I was smaller than most boys my age. I was androgynous looking, very fem and it was totally obvious I like boys so everyone assumed I was gay. When I was 17 my dad just asked me if I wanted to be a girl. When I said yes he said I needed to get started and get it out of the way. So I started HRT and transitioned. Now 2 years later my name and all my ID have been changed and I live entirely as a female. When I read stories from the other ladies who had a very male life and successfully played the masculine role for years it fascinates and impresses me. For me that would have been totally impossible.  I couldn't have pulled off masculine behavior for one day nevermind for years. And I would never have been able to have any kind of romantic or sexual relationship with a female.

Hello and thank you for sharing.  Your story is more like what I thought the experience was always like, and why I rationalized to myself that I wasn't trans.  Only recently when I have started to read some stories about other folks did I realize that it wasn't always like that.  Thank you for sharing your story with me!
Right now, I only go by Jessica on this forum.  Maybe someday I'll go by Jessica everywhere.
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baseballfan

Quote from: Dena on June 19, 2017, 11:24:40 AM
Welcome to Susan's Place. Dysphoria hits each of us differently and at different ages. We have members who discovered themselves anywhere from about age 3 to age 60. Some of us reach the point of suicide while others just get worn down over the years. There is nothing in your story that makes me doubt that you are transgender however you need to be the one that's sure of it. I have a couple of links that might help. The first is our WIKI where you will learn about the transgender family. The second link is "the transition channel" where a gender therapist will help you examine your feelings.

As for being brave, many of us are not. Often it comes down to the point where the alternative of not transitioning is worst than transitioning. It's best that you address it early on before it comes to that point but far to often we wait until it's almost to late.

Thank you for sharing those resources.  I am definitely going to check them out (already have started to).  Thanks!
Right now, I only go by Jessica on this forum.  Maybe someday I'll go by Jessica everywhere.
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baseballfan

Quote from: Kendra on June 19, 2017, 12:09:06 PM
Welcome Jessica,
You accurately described an important stage in my path - that was the first question I asked my therapist. 

And on a lighter note.  When I was in Sydney Australia I spotted a hot looking lady wearing a t-shirt that said: "It's only kinky the first time."

Hello.  Thanks for the note.  This is pretty much what all of my assumptions have hinged on as well.  If you are willing to be public about it (or in a private PM) I would love to get more insight on this part of you and how you worked through it and identified it. 
Right now, I only go by Jessica on this forum.  Maybe someday I'll go by Jessica everywhere.
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baseballfan

Quote from: ElizabethK on June 19, 2017, 06:39:44 AM
Hi Joe/Jessica

Welcome to Susan's. I hope you enjoy your time here.

Wow sounds like you have put a great deal of thought into this. I have a failry classic tale, knew when I was 4 or 5 that I was a girl, Made two other attempts to transition in my life and began my final transition 2 years ago. This time round there will be no stopping.

The tipping point came when I realised that if I wanted to be happy which I wasn't at the time then I needed to own my feelings and what they meant for me. To stop hiding behind poor excuses. To stop punishing myself for wanting to be what I was...a woman. Did I really see myself as a woman? Not in the first place no but in my "true heart" I knew the answer was yes and whilst the last 2 years have not been easy, they have certainly been the most rewarding on a personal level. For each of us it is different and depends on your life and where you are in it.

I hope you find the answers you are looking for
 
So you are able to get the very best from being here there are a couple of links we give to all our new members

Site Policies and Stuff to Remember (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,2.0.html)

Regards
ElizabethK
Global Moderator

Things that you should read

Yes I did put a lot of thought into that post.  I actually wrote it out in Microsoft Word first and spent about an hour crafting it :)  It is the first time I have put my feelings on paper.

Thank you for sharing your insight and the rules with me!
Right now, I only go by Jessica on this forum.  Maybe someday I'll go by Jessica everywhere.
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baseballfan

Quote from: tgirlamc on June 19, 2017, 12:09:24 PM
Being into sports and male activities can seem like it clouds issues before you look a bit closer....
Here is some excellent reading on the subject by Anne Vitale

http://www.avitale.com/developmentalreview.htm

I believe you will find common ground with the group she describes as group 3, as many of us here do!

Ashley :)

Hi Ashley,

Thank you for sharing this with me.  I browsed it briefly and I agree I am definitely a group 3.  I intend to read this in its entirety. 
Right now, I only go by Jessica on this forum.  Maybe someday I'll go by Jessica everywhere.
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KathyLauren

Quote from: baseballfan on June 19, 2017, 07:27:53 PM
Hello, and thanks for your insight.  If you are willing to elaborate, I would be curious as to some examples of things that happened or feelings you had that made you ask yourself if you were trans, and what some of the rationale you gave yourself as to why you decided you weren't earlier on in your life.
Why I wondered if I was trans:
- (day)dreamed of being a girl since age 7
- never wanted to be masculine; always wanted to be more feminine
- cross-dressed as early as 12, off and on since then, compulsively
- (day)dreamed of having GRS

Why I talked myself out of it:
- "What will people think?"
- too weird
- too much disruption of my life
- it's insanely rare (I had no idea how many of us there are) and I can't be THAT weird; I'm just a regular guy
- "What will people think??"

What changed my mind:
- seeing a trans person in real life giving a public talk that had nothing at all to do with being trans: no horns, no tail, no brimstone
- realizing that if "no" had been the right answer, I wouldn't have kept on asking the question
2015-07-04 Awakening; 2015-11-15 Out to self; 2016-06-22 Out to wife; 2016-10-27 First time presenting in public; 2017-01-20 Started HRT!!; 2017-04-20 Out publicly; 2017-07-10 Legal name change; 2019-02-15 Approval for GRS; 2019-08-02 Official gender change; 2020-03-11 GRS; 2020-09-17 New birth certificate
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tgirlamg

Quote from: KathyLauren on June 19, 2017, 08:16:50 PM

What changed my mind:
- seeing a trans person in real life giving a public talk that had nothing at all to do with being trans: no horns, no tail, no brimstone


Hey Jessica!!!...

Like Kathy... I met my first transwoman who had been living successfully as she chose to live for 30 years and at that moment I realized... If she can do it... So can I... I moved quickly through the hurdles of transition filled with the energy that is unleashed when a life is finally pointed in the right direction and given permission to move forward!

Onward we go

Ashley :)
"To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you something else is the greatest accomplishment" ... Ralph Waldo Emerson 🌸

"The individual has always had to struggle from being overwhelmed by the tribe... But, no price is too high for the privilege of owning yourself" ... Rudyard Kipling 🌸

Let go of the things that no longer serve you... Let go of the pretense of the false persona, it is not you... Let go of the armor that you have worn for a lifetime, to serve the expectations of others and, to protect the woman inside... She needs protection no longer.... She is tired of hiding and more courageous than you know... Let her prove that to you....Let her step out of the dark and feel the light upon her face.... amg🌸

Ashley's Corner: https://www.susans.org/index.php/topic,247549.0.html 🌻
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baseballfan

In case anyone is curious at all, I have an update.  While I am not ready to transition, I am going to see a gender therapist to try and work through my feelings.  I have never spoken out loud about this, so I am looking forward to it.
Right now, I only go by Jessica on this forum.  Maybe someday I'll go by Jessica everywhere.
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