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I might be in the minority with this...

Started by link5019, June 17, 2017, 07:22:21 AM

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link5019

So I recently had my one year of RLE (Real Life Experience) come and go. I have to wonder if I'm in the minority. I see myself as just a woman. Yeah I need SRS still, and I want it, but like, for all intents and purposes, I'm a woman, and I don't get misgendered, I have that passing privilege. I have a hard time seeing myself as trans because I just see myself as a woman, and not a transwoman, which might be a strange thing, I'm not sure. But during this transition, I have not really interacted very much with the LGBT community as a whole. I find it to be a very toxic place for lack of a better term. I've had several friends, who are trans, turn against me because I didn't agree with what they thought. Main points being, Biological sex isn't a thing, Genital preference is wrong, passing privilege doesn't exist,  etc, coming from many many people. To me, I don't see any of those things as issues.

People have their preferences. Some lesbians want a woman with a vagina, others want it with a penis; some men want women with vaginas, others with penises. It's just a part of life, much like anything else We all have our preferences. For me, I'd want a man with a penis. It doesn't make me wrong or transphobic, I just prefer men with penises. I don't get why it's such a big deal, why people can't just accept that people have their preferences, and just let it go.

Biological sex is very much a thing. We are not a single cell species, we have to have two different biological sexes in order to reproduce and continue our species. Yes we have people who identify as something else, but like a man and another man can't reproduce, simply because biologically it doesn't work, just like two women can't reproduce together. Yes it works different with trans people because transmen can still have their vaginas, and transwomen can have their penises still. But, at a biological level, they are able to reproduce because they still have parts that work together to reproduce on a biological level. So biological sex is a thing, so I don't really get where people come from when they say it isn't a thing.

Passing privilege is another thing. Passing privilege may not be the best way to describe it, but going to a biological instinctual level, there are certain features that make us more attractive. To men, women with large hips and a large bust is more appealing because it shows good genes, that they are fertile and would be better equipped to take care of a baby more than someone with smaller breasts. It's an instinctual thing that has been built in by our ancestors. With faces, for women, softer, rounder faces tend to be more attractive because again, it signals good genes, and is just instinctually attractive. Same thing with men. A man that is well endowed, has more hard features, etc, will be more attractive because good genes, and looking more fertile. And while we have women who look more masculine, and men who look more feminine, there seems to be a fine line between what is a feminine looking man and feminine looking woman. Granted some of it may be based on society and beauty culture, at a basic biological level there is a instinctual expectation of how a woman and man should look, so when it comes to passing privilege, it literally is just the definition of crossing that line that isn't a feminine looking man. If you take it a step further a lot of women who shave their heads completely or are just bald, they look more on the androgynous side of things. So in a sense if you are androgynous looking, you will pass easier than if you were more on the masculine side. But this passing privilege, there is more to it than just societal standards. Passing privilege is, I think in a best description, someone who passes with no issues whatsoever, they can go stealth and no one would notice, and maybe that's part of why I don't feel as close to trans as I do to just a straight up woman.

Maybe I'm in the minority, I honestly don't know, but what are your thoughts.






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RavenMoon

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I totally agree with you. And yes, lots of trans people take offense. I'm always puzzled by that.

I'm a very scientific person. I like using the proper terms for things. And even beyond science and biology, I'm pedantic with language. The words we use are important.

I've been trans my whole life, recognizing it at a very young age. Probably 4 or 5. I'll be 60 in a few months. But back then I didn't have the language to express it. I just knew I was supposed to have been a girl. But I wasn't. And I knew that.

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And humans are sexually dimorphic. Males and females look different. And even there it's not black or white.  And that brings us to passing.

I do not not currently live as a woman. And that's down to my inability to pass. I look like an androgynous guy. But rarely do people call me "miss." It does happen though. Mostly from a distance or when my hair is in my face. Lol. But people recognize I have more feminine qualities than masculine. My best friend who is a cis female is very tomboyish. But she does wear makeup. But we joked that I probably have more dresses in my closet than she does! She laughed and said "yeah, I'm more like a man," but no one would mistake her for a guy.

I think people have an unrealistic ideal in their mind. It probably makes them feel better. I'm just more pragmatic.
I'm a guy. I'm not a woman yet. And that's not based on my penis. When I can walk down the street or go into a store without anyone questioning my gender, then I'll be functionally a woman, as seen by the eyes of others.

How I see myself is irrelevant if no one else agrees.

But be careful. People get upset when some of us speak openly like this. I've had posts edited here for saying these things. That's sad that people want to live in a bubble. We are all in this together. But anytime you get a bunch of people together, groupthink and groupspeak takes over. Then you can't express views that go against the majority of the group. Even if they are wrong!

We should support each other even if we don't agree.



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Moderator Edit: There was some info that violates our ToS #9. Tolerance please. You state you don't agree and don't have to but stated things as facts.
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LizK

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LizK

The thread is now back open after a little clean up.

Can I please ask that before you decide to protest a moderation action you at least wait until the moderation action happens and then if you are unhappy with the decision of the moderator you do it via the correct channels. Use the Report to moderator button or send a PM.

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