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Canadian law: not allowing children to express their true identy, child abuse!!

Started by Gail20, June 08, 2017, 04:39:42 PM

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Gail20

Canadian province is now calling not allowing children freedom to express their true gender identity, "child abuse"!!  Its a start!  :)


https://heatst.com/culture-wars/canadas-new-law-lets-government-take-children-away-if-parents-dont-accept-their-gender-identity/

Heatst/By Lukas Mikelionis  06/05/2017
"friends speak for you when you can't speak for yourself" :)
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AnneK

This is the first I've heard of it, but it is a good idea and fits in with some other changes.  I don't know if it's a factor, but our Premier (Canadian equivalent of the American state Governor) is openly gay.

When I was a kid, such a thing could never have happened and I was terrified someone would find out I wanted to wear some "girls" clothes.
I'm a 65 year old male who has been thinking about SRS for many years.  I also was a  full cross dresser for a few years.  I wear a bra, pantyhose and nail polish daily because it just feels right.

Started HRT April 17, 2019.
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Asche

I would take this with many grains of salt.  I don't know what sort of a website "Heat Street" is, but judging by some of the other headlines, it seems to be into sensationalizing stuff in a way that is typical for right-wing religious conservatives.  If it's not an outright lie, it's probably an exaggeration.

I suspect that the law doesn't say what they say it does, and even if it could be used to take a trans child from their family, it would be in cases where the non-acceptance reached the point of emotional or physical abuse (e.g., Leelah Alcorn.)

Does anyone have more reliable information?

"...  I think I'm great just the way I am, and so are you." -- Jazz Jennings



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Asche

The bill in question is Ontario bill 89.

The Ontario Legislature's website has a page for Bill 89, including explanation of the changes it makes in the existing law.

One piece of the explanation mentions gender identity:

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The paramount purpose of the Act — to promote the best interests, protection and well-being of children — remains unchanged from the current Act.

The additional purposes of the Act are expanded to include the following:

* To recognize that services to children and young persons should be provided in a manner that respects regional differences wherever possible and takes into account,

  • physical, emotional, spiritual, mental and developmental needs and differences among children and young persons;
  • a child's or young person's race, ancestry, place of origin, colour, ethnic origin, citizenship, family diversity, disability, creed, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity and gender expression; and
  • a child's or young person's cultural and linguistic needs.

    * To recognize that services to children and young persons and their families should be provided in a manner that builds on the strengths of the families wherever possible.
Thus, the main change (for our purposes) is that the government and any agencies and NGOs contracted with the provincial government must respect the child's gender identity, etc., when deciding what the "best interests of the child" are.

I would guess that this definitely applies once a child gets into the social service system.  Whether similar criteria would apply when deciding to involve the social service system in a family isn't clear to me, at least not from this.  That is, once a child ends up in "care", they are obligated to respect a trans kid's gender identity and expression (i.e., no conversion therapy, etc.), but it's possible that parents who vigorously deny a child's gender identiy and discipline them for it would still be able to do so, provided it didn't qualify as "abuse" under the old law.

ETA:

It looks like the main point of the changes is to require social service agencies to respect the nationalities of First Nations (Canadian equivalent of "Native American"), etc., children.  Canada, like the USA, has had a history of removing First Nation children from their families in order to educate them out of their native-ness.  My guess is that, also like the USA, claims of neglect or abuse are still being used to remove children from tribal families and hand them over to more mainstream families, and this change is being made to stop that.
"...  I think I'm great just the way I am, and so are you." -- Jazz Jennings



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natalie.ashlyne

Well I wish something like this would have been done years ago my day literally kick the crap out of me because i had nail polish on my toes when i was 14. 
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AnneK

Quote from: Asche on June 18, 2017, 07:34:14 PM
I would take this with many grains of salt.  I don't know what sort of a website "Heat Street" is, but judging by some of the other headlines, it seems to be into sensationalizing stuff in a way that is typical for right-wing religious conservatives.  If it's not an outright lie, it's probably an exaggeration.

I suspect that the law doesn't say what they say it does, and even if it could be used to take a trans child from their family, it would be in cases where the non-acceptance reached the point of emotional or physical abuse (e.g., Leelah Alcorn.)

Does anyone have more reliable information?

Here is the official government document:
http://www.ontla.on.ca/web/bills/bills_detail.do?locale=en&BillID=4479
I'm a 65 year old male who has been thinking about SRS for many years.  I also was a  full cross dresser for a few years.  I wear a bra, pantyhose and nail polish daily because it just feels right.

Started HRT April 17, 2019.
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