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Started by JMJW, June 29, 2017, 11:09:33 AM

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JMJW

Why should we care about  real life or aspire to be anything in the real world when we can be anything we want to in fantasy? It isn't real, but good fantasy feels real. What's so great about this world and this existence compared to the realities of the imagination? I want to leave gloom and intolerance of humanity behind and wake up in a world of imagining where there's nothing I fear at all.
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Tessa James

Happy to join you in fantasy land!  In our fantasy world everything will work out, we are all loving and sharing and caring and satisfied with our lives.  Our imagination can set quite a lovely stage and reality need not intrude with it's rude bumps and obstacles.

And then...too much time in my own head space is how I coped with not transitioning 5 years ago and that just didn't get me anywhere in real life.  Another short cut to dream land is using drugs and we know how that can hurt.

We can realize our dreams and eventually even our fantasies can burn a hole in our fears.  Till then, dream on?
Open, out and evolving queer trans person forever with HRT support since March 13, 2013
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Sophia Sage

Quote from: JMJW on June 29, 2017, 11:09:33 AMWhy should we care about  real life or aspire to be anything in the real world when we can be anything we want to in fantasy?

Because of other real people.  And it's not that other people make this world great or anything.  It's just that they make it all matter.
What you look forward to has already come, but you do not recognize it.
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Marcy8

I feel the point of it all is to show up, with our full Authenticity

...To enjoy our beeing here, proud, from our hearts... and to conquer all the judgments and fears that we took on from the external, for they are trying to strip that away from us
...To be the healing change we wish to see in the world and to guide others towards that knowing...for we are all one


<3


Imagination is a powerful tool, but it is only a part of being alive
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AnonyMs

There's something about the way we're made that gives you a better chance at happiness that way.
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Janes Groove

Quote from: JMJW on June 29, 2017, 11:09:33 AM
Why should we care about  real life or aspire to be anything in the real world when we can be anything we want to in fantasy? It isn't real, but good fantasy feels real. What's so great about this world and this existence compared to the realities of the imagination? I want to leave gloom and intolerance of humanity behind and wake up in a world of imagining where there's nothing I fear at all.

That kind of describes a movie called The Matrix.
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tgirlamg

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Quote from: JMJW on June 29, 2017, 11:09:33 AM
Why should we care about  real life or aspire to be anything in the real world when we can be anything we want to in fantasy? It isn't real, but good fantasy feels real. What's so great about this world and this existence compared to the realities of the imagination? I want to leave gloom and intolerance of humanity behind and wake up in a world of imagining where there's nothing I fear at all.

Hi JMJW!!!

Here is my take...

It is easy to gravitate to what feels good ... An escape to a fantasy world can feel good... I escaped the dysphoria I could not put into words with 14 years of methamphetamine abuse... It felt better than my reality so I understand the draw that leaving our challenges in the "real" world can hold... It is empty though, we are escaping to a lonely place... A fantasy only serves the one fantasizing... It takes others out of the equation and, in my opinion, therein lies the problem.... It avoids the whole reason we are here...

I believe we are here to be challenged, ...to learn, ...to become better, ...and most of all, to make loving connections with those with whom we share this world... I believe there is far more to our existence than that which we see with our eyes... There is design and purpose to all that we experience...At the end of the day... Our loving connections are the only thing that matter or endure... As people lay close to death, their last thing of importance that they want to convey is their love for the people with them or asking that ones not present in the room be told that they are loved

So I guess that's my answer... LOVE.... Sometimes it is hard to do all the time when the real world is coming at you from all sides but .. Practice makes perfect!!!

Onward we go brave sisters!!!


Ashley :)



"To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you something else is the greatest accomplishment" ... Ralph Waldo Emerson 🌸

"The individual has always had to struggle from being overwhelmed by the tribe... But, no price is too high for the privilege of owning yourself" ... Rudyard Kipling 🌸

Let go of the things that no longer serve you... Let go of the pretense of the false persona, it is not you... Let go of the armor that you have worn for a lifetime, to serve the expectations of others and, to protect the woman inside... She needs protection no longer.... She is tired of hiding and more courageous than you know... Let her prove that to you....Let her step out of the dark and feel the light upon her face.... amg🌸

Ashley's Corner: https://www.susans.org/index.php/topic,247549.0.html 🌻
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Kylo

I guess in my case fantasy has never felt "quite real enough". It still feels empty.

If I could control my dreams completely, I could spend 1/3 of my life in heaven. But I can't.
"If the freedom of speech is taken away, then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter."
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JMJW

Quote from: Jane Emily on June 30, 2017, 06:56:46 PM
That kind of describes a movie called The Matrix.

It's very close. The idea that I could dim my consciousness in the real world to just sustaining the body's basic biological needs. Then having created a work of fiction, "upload" the rest into this world where I ultimately win, where I'm famous, celebrated, powerful and competent, where I'm loved far beyond what I could ever be here, where I'm not the horrible result of  decades of testosterone poisoning, where I don't have to wear some wig just to cover a balding patch, where I don't have any problems meeting new people, making new friends, where I have nice figure, and so on and so on endlessly.

I can't help but wonder if it's that little hope one has left for the real world self that fuels the dysphoria. The disconnect to where reality doesn't measure up to one's hopes. If one completely and truly writes off the real world body as just bone and meat, nothing more than a host, than I can't think it'd matter anymore what -it-  looks like, just as it hardly matters if gaming consoles have flowers on them or not. We aren't looking at the console when we play the game. 

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JoanneB

Quote from: JMJW on June 29, 2017, 11:09:33 AM
Why should we care about  real life or aspire to be anything in the real world when we can be anything we want to in fantasy? It isn't real, but good fantasy feels real. What's so great about this world and this existence compared to the realities of the imagination? I want to leave gloom and intolerance of humanity behind and wake up in a world of imagining where there's nothing I fear at all.
Without fear, is there joy?
Without pain, is there pleasure?
Without intolerance, is there acceptance?

Or would it be a big blob of nothingness?
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tgirlamg

Quote from: JoanneB on July 01, 2017, 06:45:41 AM
Without fear, is there joy?
Without pain, is there pleasure?
Without intolerance, is there acceptance?

Or would it be a big blob of nothingness?

Exactly!!!... Well put Joanne!!! :)
"To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you something else is the greatest accomplishment" ... Ralph Waldo Emerson 🌸

"The individual has always had to struggle from being overwhelmed by the tribe... But, no price is too high for the privilege of owning yourself" ... Rudyard Kipling 🌸

Let go of the things that no longer serve you... Let go of the pretense of the false persona, it is not you... Let go of the armor that you have worn for a lifetime, to serve the expectations of others and, to protect the woman inside... She needs protection no longer.... She is tired of hiding and more courageous than you know... Let her prove that to you....Let her step out of the dark and feel the light upon her face.... amg🌸

Ashley's Corner: https://www.susans.org/index.php/topic,247549.0.html 🌻
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undautri

Real life has pizza
it's really hard to eat an imaginary pizza, my friend. I've tried. It doesn't work.
kindest regards possible,
Clay
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tgirlamg

Quote from: undautri on July 01, 2017, 10:57:39 AM
Real life has pizza
it's really hard to eat an imaginary pizza, my friend. I've tried. It doesn't work.

True that!!!... Imaginary pizza sucks!!!
"To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you something else is the greatest accomplishment" ... Ralph Waldo Emerson 🌸

"The individual has always had to struggle from being overwhelmed by the tribe... But, no price is too high for the privilege of owning yourself" ... Rudyard Kipling 🌸

Let go of the things that no longer serve you... Let go of the pretense of the false persona, it is not you... Let go of the armor that you have worn for a lifetime, to serve the expectations of others and, to protect the woman inside... She needs protection no longer.... She is tired of hiding and more courageous than you know... Let her prove that to you....Let her step out of the dark and feel the light upon her face.... amg🌸

Ashley's Corner: https://www.susans.org/index.php/topic,247549.0.html 🌻
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karenk1959

I think you need a good balance between fantasy and reality. Fantasy is great because we can go wherever and as whoever we want.
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Janes Groove

Quote from: JMJW on July 01, 2017, 04:40:35 AM

I can't help but wonder if it's that little hope one has left for the real world self that fuels the dysphoria.


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tgirlamg

"To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you something else is the greatest accomplishment" ... Ralph Waldo Emerson 🌸

"The individual has always had to struggle from being overwhelmed by the tribe... But, no price is too high for the privilege of owning yourself" ... Rudyard Kipling 🌸

Let go of the things that no longer serve you... Let go of the pretense of the false persona, it is not you... Let go of the armor that you have worn for a lifetime, to serve the expectations of others and, to protect the woman inside... She needs protection no longer.... She is tired of hiding and more courageous than you know... Let her prove that to you....Let her step out of the dark and feel the light upon her face.... amg🌸

Ashley's Corner: https://www.susans.org/index.php/topic,247549.0.html 🌻
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Soli

I find that the most noticeable particularity of homo sapiens is their constant interpretation of the real world, or reality, ending up in them living not in that reality but in an interpretation of it that everyone agrees on in a given culture; symbolic has the prime place in homo sapiens reality, whereas in my dog's reality: none whatsoever. So what is reality? Even alone under heavy rain in the woods naked (or some other place much worse), the homo sapiens will give an interpretation to the situation, hope and faith (a mental representation of a certain reality) will take over plain reality and can be the force that makes the difference between survival and death. So I don't think humans live in reality, really. Look around, look at yourself, we pretend to be this and that, and those who pretend stronger or better (lying better) succeed more in the human societies, whereas someone in the autistic spectrum disorder (ASD) like me, unable to pretend at all, does not thrive. Pretending and interpreting is the basis of the human societies. That's why I'm not able to really join any. We're not in the same reality, or they are not and I am...  ??? :laugh:
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