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Tips and advice for South Korea, China, or Singapore?

Started by minluse, May 30, 2017, 01:15:05 AM

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minluse

I'm unsure if I'm going to delete this post in the future, but for now I'll lay everything on the table. I'm a 17 year old transsexual boy that's mainly attracted to males. I've been transsexual since I was 11 years old and started going to therapy when I was 6. I want to go to a prestigious university; my life is centered around school and I make decent enough grades and have a couple competitive extra curricular activities paired with my personal journey that gives me enough confidence to think I have a shot at getting into one. I plan to study engineering and neuroscience.

Outside of the US, I'm interested in HKU, HKUST, KAIST, SNU, NUS, NTU, Tsinghua, HIT, and ZJU. By the time I apply to universities, I'll be 20 or 21 and be fluent in Korean, Cantonese, and Mandarin. I've been trying to learn about the transsexual situation in China, South Korea, and Singapore to get an idea of what I'll be dealing with if I'm accepted, but so far I've been in short-supply of resources; particularly when it comes to Singapore and South Korea.

What I do know:

A) In all three countries, GRS and transsexual identities are legal, but none have governmental protections for any members of the LGBT community. Despite a lack of protections, getting fired or not being hired for being LGBT is uncommon, but this is strongly correlated with a lack of coming out in Asia, and those that are out in their workplaces are frequently told to keep their lifestyles private (I don't have an issue with this since it also applies to the non-LGBT community).

B) While the younger generation in all three countries are becoming more accepting of LGBT concepts, the older generation have a hold on society. Thus, for transsexual boys who transition legally, we likely won't be able to marry our significant other for quite awhile if we date males, and staying in the closest is still common for this reason.

C) Transsexual girls are more well-known than transsexual guys; so much so, I've heard that some South Koreans don't even think we exist. Transsexual boys may have a bit more explaining to do than transsexuals girls in those countries.

D) There aren't many gender clinics in all three countries; it'll be important I have access to a city where they're mainly situated.

E) Transsexuals are less known in Asia compared to the US in general; when it comes to medical care, there aren't any official procedures to follow when encountering people like us, so I'll likely be running into a lot of inappropriate and uneducated doctors granted I ever need medical care.

F) Dating is going to be difficult; since the older generation have a hold on things, homosexuality is still looked down upon and homosexual marriage is illegal. Being a transsexual boy who prefers males, I won't only have to put up with society potentially viewing my relationship with a male as homosexual, but additionally finding a partner who is bisexual. Marriage complicates this more if I change any legal documents; then I won't be able to get married to my male partner and we wouldn't both be able to list ourselves as parents owning the same children. For this reason, if I decide I want to live in any of these countries, although I may get bottom surgery I likely won't be changing any legal documents.

I also have brown skin. If you aren't aware, Asia prefers paler skin over darker skin, so paler foreigners are more likely to have an easier time getting dates than those who are darker. Historically, those with darker skin were people who worked in the field and weren't wealthy, while the inverse served true for those with paler skin. This mindset is wearing off in the younger generation and ultimately comes down to preference, but it will still affect romantic and sexual relationships if I go.

G) Overall, you won't have to worry about getting physically or verbally assaulted. All three countries are safe; especially when it comes to the LGBT community.

H) If I get accepted into any of their universities, I'm going to be in for quite the interesting ride unless I plan to get bottom surgery before I'm 20 (not happening). Since there aren't protections in place like there are in the US, telling the administration I want to dorm with males because that's how I want to be known can go either way; a positive way or a negative way. Unfortunately, if things go negatively, I'm just going to have to suck it up and dorm with females or get my own apartment. Luckily, I have a great family now, and I'm sure no matter what happens people will be willing to help. I can always opt for a private dorm as well if things begin to get too negative with shared dorms.

I) South Korea and mainland China are relatively more cheaper than the US.

J) Transition and transsexual identity isn't seen as negative or positive; while all three countries are loaded with blunt people that are sometimes too curious, there doesn't seem to be a rope going one way or the other when it comes to people's perceptions of us. We are seen as odd and mentally ill in these countries, but opposed to the US that has in my experience used this perception of us as a weapon to harm us or dehumanize us, Asia sees it as a label that deems a human in need of care, protection, and understanding. As someone who considers his dysphoria to be a mental disorder and transsexuality to be abnormal, this perception doesn't bother me, but will if they treat us like defenseless puppies.

I can defend myself most of the time; even if I can be sensitive sometimes.

K) The LGB and T community are pretty separated in all countries; in Singapore, the two communities barely even regard each other when it comes to issues.

L) I don't believe insurance covers transition or psychiatric care.

M) There are well-known transsexual models in Singapore from both poles and a popular TV hostess named Jin Xing in China that gets a lot of neutral and positive attention. Harisu is a transsexual woman who sings and acts; when she came out, she got a lot of neutral attention, but she's nonexistent nowadays.

Jin Xing:



Recently, South Korea made a documentary about a transsexual teenager that got a lot of support from viewers, and transgender people have been getting more overall publicity.




Though, a talk show called "XY She" on KBS in South Korea was cancelled after attacks were made towards the transsexual woman and the people that conducted it in 2012 (people complained it would encourage children to transition), which leads me to believe the changing attitude is recent.

I know this is rather long, but I hope you all enjoyed reading, and I really hope to get some feedback about the situations in one or all of the countries.

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elkie-t

I recently came from South Korea. For starters, it's not cheaper there compared to USA. It's a very safe country, being violent to strangers is just not in their culture. They say it's a very conservative country, but the younger generation seems to be gender-bending a lot, so maybe in next 10-20 years it won't be that much conservative. I actually saw a guy with 2 friends actually crossdressing in public in traditional keseang costume (his friends were wearing traditional male costumes), and they were in public and nobody ridiculed them or anything. Yet employment might be more problematic - there are no protections there as you mentioned, especially in some competitive fields with good salary.

I wouldn't go for China. Commies aren't to be trusted on human rights.

I would consider Singapore or Seoul/Busan for living


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Ryuichi13

Is there ANYTHING in South Korea for the trans community wishing to transition?  My best online friend lives there and wishes to transition.  They were American but has since married a native Korean.

Thanks for any help anyone can give. ☺

Ryuichi

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elkie-t

Quote from: Ryuichi13 on July 24, 2017, 09:45:47 AM
Is there ANYTHING in South Korea for the trans community wishing to transition?  My best online friend lives there and wishes to transition.  They were American but has since married a native Korean.

Thanks for any help anyone can give. ☺

Ryuichi
Thailand :)

And 1 min google search gives this list - http://www.transhealthcare.org/korea/
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Ryuichi13

Oh wow, thanks!  I don't know why when I searched, it didn't come up. [emoji17]  Maybe I put in the wrong search words.  Idunno.

Either way, I sent the link to them.  Hopefully it'll come in handy.

Ryuichi

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barbie

I am a kind of m2f in S. Korea.

It has been not be easy in S. Korea, and either in the U.S.

The only group of people openly opposing the LGBT people in S. Korea are Christians, and I am sure they are mostly aged and uneducated, and of course most Koreans do not like or respect them. They are just gadflies (or 'roaches' in Korean) in the street. And they always act in group, and you do not need to worry about them as long as they are alone.

Despite those Christians, I am sure some laws to protect LGBT people will be made and passed in the near future, as a relatively progressive new government was just started (of course all politicians here fear the massive number of votes from those Christians). Even without such explicit laws, people and companies can not legally discriminate people based on their gender identity.

Yes. I was once discriminated about 15 years ago when I looked for a job, but the official reason of rejection was not my gender identity, which can cause a lot of legal issues here. Not explicitly to LGBT issues, any violation of basic human rights at can be addressed in National Human Rights Commission of Korea: http://www.humanrights.go.kr/site/main/index002 Yes. You can report any discrimination or abuse to the commission, and they will investigate and solve the issue for you. They do care for social minorities.

Unlike m2f transgender people, f2m people are not so much noticeable here, because nowadays the gender boundary is unclear in fashion and life style.

Yes. Young people are far more open minded. The college student I teach at my university do not care about my long hair or wearing mini skirt (but a few girl students do give some advice on my fashion).

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