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Feeling defeated right now.

Started by Cheaney, July 27, 2017, 10:50:31 AM

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Cheaney

Hey everybody, it's been a rough week or so for me. My wife and I have had continuous talks about me being trans since I first mentioned it about a month ago. And as of today, those talks either end in complete silence(which means we're avoiding arguing) or we're arguing. She went with me to my GT session this week and it became real to her. I have no idea how this is going to go. If we break it off, I lose my best friend that has been with me through just about everything. At the same time, why can't we get through this?

I have been preparing to lose all of the people in my life but now that it seems to be happening, I'm hurting big time. It makes me question if what I'm doing is the right thing. Or if I'm insane just for doing it?  A lot of times I do feel like I'm doing the right thing but the pain is taking over right now.
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Michelle_P

Quote from: VickiBlue on July 27, 2017, 10:50:31 AM
Hey everybody, it's been a rough week or so for me. My wife and I have had continuous talks about me being trans since I first mentioned it about a month ago. And as of today, those talks either end in complete silence(which means we're avoiding arguing) or we're arguing. She went with me to my GT session this week and it became real to her. I have no idea how this is going to go. If we break it off, I lose my best friend that has been with me through just about everything. At the same time, why can't we get through this?

I have been preparing to lose all of the people in my life but now that it seems to be happening, I'm hurting big time. It makes me question if what I'm doing is the right thing. Or if I'm insane just for doing it?  A lot of times I do feel like I'm doing the right thing but the pain is taking over right now.

Vicki, I am so sorry to hear that you are going through this.  Many folks here have had to tread this road, and it isn't easy.

Just know that in spite of the pain, you are doing the right thing.  One way or another, the pain is transitory, but being yourself, being transgender won't go away if you try to turn away from it.  You are facing it, and seeing a gender therapist, the right thing to do.

You had the strength to come out to yourself and your spouse, to seek a therapist to help.  There is strength in you to get through this.  Even though you might not see it now, on the other side of this temporary phase there is peace and comfort waiting.
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tgirlamg

Quote from: VickiBlue on July 27, 2017, 10:50:31 AM
Hey everybody, it's been a rough week or so for me. My wife and I have had continuous talks about me being trans since I first mentioned it about a month ago. And as of today, those talks either end in complete silence(which means we're avoiding arguing) or we're arguing. She went with me to my GT session this week and it became real to her. I have no idea how this is going to go. If we break it off, I lose my best friend that has been with me through just about everything. At the same time, why can't we get through this?

I have been preparing to lose all of the people in my life but now that it seems to be happening, I'm hurting big time. It makes me question if what I'm doing is the right thing. Or if I'm insane just for doing it?  A lot of times I do feel like I'm doing the right thing but the pain is taking over right now.

Hi Vicki

I'm so sorry you are finding things a bit difficult at the moment... This path can be filled with many hurdles...

Pulling the Trans rabbit out of the hat after years of marriage can be a big rabbit for the spouse to deal with indeed!!!..  I have seen it work and I have seen it not work and become a source of pain that must be dealt with in order to continue the journey

To be honest...In my previous life when I was in relationships with women... If one had come to me and told she was going to be a guy... The relationship would not have survived beyond maintaining a friendship...

Please excuse the laziness but, I posted along these same lines recently in the Post Op section and I am going to copy/paste from my response there because I think my thoughts may apply here as well!!...

I've told people when I do speaking engagements that starting transition is much like telling everyone closest to you, that you are climbing a huge mountain... Some may not want to make the journey with you....Others may try to climb with us with the best intention of completing the journey with you...but find along the way, that their path is elsewhere and does not lead to the top where we are going... Bless them for being a part of your life and bid them safe travels... We can lose people along the way but new faces take their place to care for us and be cared for by us... this journey is about our connection to others and the world around us!!!... Have a good climb!!!

Onward we go brave girl!!!

Ashley :)

"To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you something else is the greatest accomplishment" ... Ralph Waldo Emerson 🌸

"The individual has always had to struggle from being overwhelmed by the tribe... But, no price is too high for the privilege of owning yourself" ... Rudyard Kipling 🌸

Let go of the things that no longer serve you... Let go of the pretense of the false persona, it is not you... Let go of the armor that you have worn for a lifetime, to serve the expectations of others and, to protect the woman inside... She needs protection no longer.... She is tired of hiding and more courageous than you know... Let her prove that to you....Let her step out of the dark and feel the light upon her face.... amg🌸

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Dan

I know it's easy to say, but this transition is not just about you finding yourself, but about finding out who your friends really are.

Real friends care and love the person inside of you, not your exterior appearance. That inner core of who you are is not going to go away, it will simply flourish more than ever and enrich not only your life but that of others around you, especially those who are close to you.

If your best friend cannot stay with you on this journey, then that is as it is. They simply cannot understand what it means to be transgender. It is hard for a cis person to understand because it's nothing what they have ever experienced before. Maybe your wife will need some time to adjust. Maybe she never will. I don't see why you should sacrifice all of your life for another. I believe that marriage is about partnership where each person will enable the other to grow and become the person they are meant to be.



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HoneyStrums

Quote from: VickiBlue on July 27, 2017, 10:50:31 AM
Hey everybody, it's been a rough week or so for me. My wife and I have had continuous talks about me being trans since I first mentioned it about a month ago. And as of today, those talks either end in complete silence(which means we're avoiding arguing) or we're arguing. She went with me to my GT session this week and it became real to her. I have no idea how this is going to go. If we break it off, I lose my best friend that has been with me through just about everything. At the same time, why can't we get through this?

I have been preparing to lose all of the people in my life but now that it seems to be happening, I'm hurting big time. It makes me question if what I'm doing is the right thing. Or if I'm insane just for doing it?  A lot of times I do feel like I'm doing the right thing but the pain is taking over right now.

"My wife and I have had continuous talks about me being trans since I first mentioned it about a month ago"

Having continuous talks about anything In a relationship, is never a good thing from my experience. I feel as though this might be, making your relationship, something that is about you both as individuals into something only about you being trans. e.g your being trans is somethings that is dominating your relationship. Make some time to do things you used to as not everything about you needs to charge.

She went with me to my GT session this week and it became real to her

She is going to your GT sessions, Awesome, she wants to understand, and is making efforts to do so. try and do as much of your talking about your being trans at these sessions. Therapists are at times able to prevent situations from escalating. And might be able to defuse some topics and make your talks more successful :) . Also this is a major change in your life, and will be for them as well. This is something your going through together.

I have no idea how this is going to go. If we break it off, I lose my best friend that has been with me through just about everything


Not knowing is a scary thing, But "Breaking it off" Doesn't mean loosing your best friend. It just means no longer being married to them. Also just as being Trans is a part of you, Being straight might be a part of your wife. And just as a trans person needs to be trans, a straight person needs to be straight.

I hope this helps . And It might not be as bad as you think in the end :)
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Sarah77

Vicki, if it helps, so many can echo your story. I bet you wish life was a perfect fit..that your wife could stay your wife. And you could be her wife.
It often doesn't work out like that, but it sounds like she'll always be your friend at the very least. Maybe more. Be there for each other. It's hard, but there is always love.

I'm in a holding pattern, waiting to land at Female Airport, but the air traffic control of life has a lot to clear the air first. So take your time...and just be as best you can be

Xxx
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Kendra

Vickie, first of all a big hug.  I am sorry this part of your situation and marriage has worsened.  But please keep in mind this isn't necessarily defeat - even if it turns out a great marriage doesn't continue, the two of you might remain close friends with wonderful memories.  And your future holds so much. 
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coldHeart

Vickie
I'm so sorry for you right now I have just started to come out from the other end, yes my marriage of 17 years is gone BUT I still speak to my wife we still live & plan on being in the same house for a long time so yes you most ght lose your wife ( you might not ) but you will still have your best friend, be open with her tell her everything otherwise she will feel left out you will have support but she will not that was one of mine biggest mistake not involving my wife more, but you can not fight it as it will never go away, it will always find away back in to your life, so don't think its the end of the road yet. Sara
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Cheaney

Thank you all so much for your advice and support. She is processing everything  now after the GT session as real. Before that she wanted to be supportive but was in denial that I was trans. It's a long road for sure. We had a good moment yesterday hopefully that momentum continues today. It might be super slow but at the moment she's trying. And that's all I've ever asked. She's going to find a therapist herself and we're at least gonna try to keep this together. Thank you all again. I'm sure there will be more bumps in the road but I'm glad I found this group here.


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MissKairi

its a big old shock finding something like this out.
as I said, give her time and do not burn bridges :)
Let's see where this journey takes me.
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LizK

Quote from: VickiBlue on July 28, 2017, 08:44:52 AM
Thank you all so much for your advice and support. She is processing everything  now after the GT session as real. Before that she wanted to be supportive but was in denial that I was trans. It's a long road for sure. We had a good moment yesterday hopefully that momentum continues today. It might be super slow but at the moment she's trying. And that's all I've ever asked. She's going to find a therapist herself and we're at least gonna try to keep this together. Thank you all again. I'm sure there will be more bumps in the road but I'm glad I found this group here.


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That is a really great step, her committing to therapy says she wants to make it work. My wife had one session with my therapist on her own and after that things changed between us. Something that was said at that session made a  difference about the way she felt. We have moved forward with out relationship to a different but somehow more intimate(without necessarily being physical) level than we have ever been at ever. I think we have more fun than we ever have and are really starting to enjoy sharing girl stuff.
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Denise

Vicki,. Hugs to both of you.  The situation is tough. 
One thing I've learned is that for every friend I've lost I've gained elsewhere.  People in group sessions, LGBTQ community that have come to me in support after going public and old friends who disappeared have come back.

As long as you don't go until a shell and become a hermit you will always meet new people who know only you as you are today. 
As for your wife, do everything you can to stay friends at least.  My wife and I are starting the divorce proceedings (one lawyer) and it's very civil.  Our kids are grown and out of the house so that helps.
Chin up and smile.  Know you have a friendly online support at the very least.
-Dee

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JoanneB

The first few months are the worse, especially for an SO. After all, you spent about an entire lifetime barely getting a handle on being trans. In comparison, she has had mere seconds. The fact that you two are talking, she has not "Shut Down" and even went to a therapy session is all awesome. She is TRYING to process having the T-Bomb dropped on her.

My wife knew from about day 1 some 30 years earlier in the relationship I had "Gender Issues". She was OK with me being "Just a CD" after my utter fail transition experiments. Even with my thick head, at 6ft tall, big boned, balding fast, and deeper then average voice me came to realize in a world filled with 5'6" tall women I stood no chance whatsoever of any acceptance in that era of history. When I dropped the T-Bomb on her it was a major level of escalation. My life was already in the toilet. Our shared life was as well. I had been to 3 TG support group meetings and knew absolutely by the time I left it was almost too late to tell her what was happening. We did a LOT of talking in the weeks afterwards with my answers often being "I Dunno" even I was having a hard time processing all that was happening.

Intense emotions can't help to bubble up during these oft times difficult to have discussions. The SO for sure didn't sign up for this crap but is along, for now, for the ride. There are major feelings of betrayal. "If I only knew way back when..." etc.. With "I dunno" as answers, brains exploding, or emotions making their way past the normal "Filters" you will get discussions ending in silence, or arguments. Par for the course I think. 

If the situation was avoidance and No Discussions, I would advise start shopping for a divorce lawyer and shielding what assets you can before she grabs them.  :(

Now, some 8 years later my wife and I both wrestle with "The Great Unknowns". She knows, as well as I do where my true joy lies. She knows, as I do, the reality on the ground. The importance of our relationship, our shared hopes, wishes and dreams, her health needs, my emotional needs, and of course financial realities. A full social transition will be difficult for her to handle and likely bad employment outcomes for me, as well my safety given the world we live in.

It's the stuff many a sleepless and tear filled nights are made of.

One very important thing was not mentioned after "Prepared to loose all the important people in your life...". This sort of implies the desire for a full social transition. It also implies there just may be a "Damn the torpedoes, Full speed ahead" mindset after passing the first hurdle of telling you SO and the Earth did not open to swallow you up, the bolt of lightening did not strike you down, that meteor did not land squarely on your head. That can certainly freak out a spouse, re: barely had a few seconds to process the T-Bomb.

Over the course of these last 8 years she saw me "Transition" from that "Angry person" I had morphed into over the years fighting the trans-beast and almost immediately into a more self actuated person as my emotional health slowly improved as I healed myself from within. She also saw me grow physically due to the secondary affects of HRT. This was harder for her to..... accept as a fair trade off. However she can no longer see me as a husband. Not with boobs nicer then her un-enhanced ones.
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