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So what is up with Milo Yinniaplous?

Started by SailorMars1994, July 31, 2017, 02:35:20 PM

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He's basically a gay-male version of Lisa Lampanelli who somehow got swept into leading the extremist end of free-speech - which is critical because he is a quintessential troll, and even people who think gays should be burned at the stake still agree with what he wants: to get the blaze burning as bright and high as possible.
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itsApril

With the collapse of Milo's latest trolling expedition at UC Berkeley, it looks like his career is finally caving in.  Milo is exposed for the sideshow clown he always was, and public attention has moved on.  His fifteen minutes of fame are OVER.

The Rise and Fall of Milo Yiannopoulos
by Anthony L. Fisher
The Week
September 28, 2017

http://theweek.com/articles/726932/rise-fall-milo-yiannopoulos

"Milo Yiannopolous used to be dangerous, a force of nature capable of whipping both the left and right into a frenzy of outrage. Today, he is a washed-up performance artist with an increasing inability to trade in his primary commodity: shock.

"Following the anti-climactic collapse of an event that Milo (who I'll refer to as such for your convenience and mine) spent months promoting as "Free Speech Week" at UC Berkeley, all the fuss made over him by supporters and detractors alike now feels like an incredible waste of energy. . . ."
-April
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Jenntrans

Quote from: SailorMars1994 on September 27, 2017, 05:59:00 PM
I agree that being LGBT we should NOT be beholded to a single ideology or political party. Often on this form and others you will see a couple people bash conservatism for all our ills when that is a broad brush. Much like being transgender, conservatism finds itself on a long spectrum. It may suprise people to know that I hold a few (and just a few) conservative ideas. I think that your background should not define your role in society or political beliefs. When I hear of a gay or trans conservative I sometimes find myself being in that boat of not agreeing with them all the time, but at the same time seeing it as somewhat of a breath of fresh air from the normal far left SJW echo chamber I have seen in which I doubt many of those people are expressing real opinions but just repeating to be part of the ''group''.

Thats being said if I had been an American I would likely vote Democrat 85% of the time. I'm sorry and I may even get smitted or what not but I find that the national GOP's platform is very much pandering to votes at our expense. Whereas the national Democrats by and large have been fighting for us hard. At a state level , depending on certain states if I were to live in one I could swing between the two parties. For what it is worth over the few things I do know I can say I do like Republican Governor Charlie Baker of Massachusetts and Phil Scott of Vermont seem to be reasonable and sound. I havent been keeping up with the Governor from Illinois but when I last read about him years ago (a Republican) he seemed ok. I could very well support them. Even though I find myself disagreeing with Senators John McCain and Lisa Murkowski at times I do repsect them both and could, if conditions were right support them.Same with Susan Collins.

Often when I rant or express my feelings, at least on American politics people think I would make a partisan Democrat when that isnt true at all and in fact, I wouldn't want to be. Infact had I been an American I would love to be able to freely vote for either party over certian issues of the day that affect me without worry of one party expecting I support them because its now a  ''duty'' and the other trying to paint me with a bad brush to juice up their base. Issue is with the exception of some Governorship and maybe the odd Senate seat there is a staunch divide on making an election issue out of us which needs to be called out. Not to shine the Democrats as better but to express that we are real people and one day, hopefully soon have both parties in that country see us as equals.

Never apologize for your beliefs. I am a Log Cabin Republican but a registered Independent and feel really good having my Second Amendment Rights. But in actuality I am a Libertarian. I actually voted for Bill Clinton twice. Voting is a right and you should vote not by how anyone tells you but the candidate that you think will do the best job for your interests.

I am trans and big deal but one party will never own my vote. I can also make fun of myself too. Have you ever seen a redneck trans woman? Most people haven't yet I am one. I can actually laugh about it and even make others laugh. I think this is the whole idea of what Milo is doing.

To be completely honest I do not want or need friends that feel sorry for me and maybe because it is the in thing to do, be friends with the trans woman to seem.... Cosmopolitan? Accepting? I would rather have no friends than those type of friends.

I have friends in my own little world and  they are friends with me not because I am trans but I am there for them in need and vice versa. We can joke and toke and sometimes they have some really legitimate questions about me. I am honest and compassionate in that they may not understand but I can't really understand being cis either. I am a straight trans woman, I like guys and one question I used to get asked is if I am Gay. My answer was always no. Then another question of how if I had a penis and my answer was that I experience relationships and love different and on a female level in the mind.

In short, people will respect you if you are honest and can even laugh at yourself. Those that can't laugh at themselves then I don't even want to be friends with. I go shopping with my cis female neighbors and my boyfriends wives and sometimes even co workers that are women and we do the women's things together and we have girl's nights. My BF does the same thing with my male neighbors and so on. We are always invited to each others homes and so on for whatever reasons. I did not need a politician for that. My boyfriend makes no excuses and he is accepted as a man and fishes and hunts with my neighbor's husbands. He has come home from deer camp and told me who asked him what and sometimes it is about being in a "relationship" with a transwoman. He always poses the question back and the answers are the same for both. Don't need a politician for that either. The answers are we bitch too much, complain while vacuuming the floors and when asked to get them something we tell them to get it themselves. I can laugh at that. I can also laugh at being terrified of thunderstorms and hurricanes.

But get out of that dear because both parties pander and neither one really cares for nothing other than your vote. Obama and Hillary both were against Same Sex Marriage until they needed votes. I remember when they stated it during Prop 8 in California about marriage being between one man and one woman.

But we are lucky in the United States because we have the Constitution and that is mostly about freedoms and pertains to everyone now. Yes Slavery was a hiccup but that was amended to where we all have the same rights. In the United States the Constitution is the law of the land, not whatever political party holds the majority. I have a CCW and I pack a .380 in my purse. For home I have a 9mm so I will vote politicians that will allow me to protect myself. And yes I have been profiled before just for having long hair and wearing no makeup and to be completely honest, and the cops should have known but they have been very respectful asking me how I preferred to be addressed. As a matter of fact my boyfriend now is a cop and we go to all the cop functions and parties. I get to go to the range for free anytime I want because I am his SO. And let me tell you something, with the way the world views cops now it scares me ->-bleeped-<-less when he goes to work. I am his beneficiary on his life insurance and I can even be on his health insurance policy but choose not to be. So it really isn't a left or right deal, it is more of a people deal.

My boyfriend is a cop and when he goes to work I pray. I am not even a Christian but I pray. Most of his friends are cops to and they have asked his some really stupid questions but the single ones tell him if he ever leaves me I am fair game so... These are cops for Christ's sake and all supposed to be on the right yet they respect me as a woman and their wives and husbands do too and him for dating me?

So between our neighbors and he lives with me and his co workers I am accepted. I am not that beautiful or the most girly figured woman but my BF claims to love me for me and vice versa and I even smoke a little and one thing that I have learned is not to smoke and then drive or have a little too much on me if pulled over. Most cops smell pot a lot but don't say boo about it unless you have a bad attitude.

As for my boyfriend, I don't care who he votes for, I just want him to come home at the end of his shift or well I work from home so I am always here mostly. Look Cops wear blue but they also encompass the "rainbow". Out of 20 three are L and two are G and one is even T with cross dressing. My boyfriend don't know that though and I would never tell. But I still want him to come home safe though.

So don't be fooled by politicians because politics should not be an issue in your life, your life should so vote your conscience. You will never get smited by me. I love my boyfriend well... think I do anyway or feel I do and he don't even know how I voted.

Jesus, I talk too much. But anyways ;)
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SailorMars1994

Quote from: Deborah on September 27, 2017, 11:21:16 PM
Adhering to an ideology that seeks to deny us equality under the law doesn't make any rational sense.  By the process of elimination that leaves exactly one choice, unless of course one wants their vote to mean absolutely nothing.

See, that was easy.



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Interesting. you seemed to reply to one part of the reply I made. You obviously didnt read all of it. Also, you may want to brush on on all your history. It wasnt too long ago and in fact in some countries still the (normally far) left will call LGBT  a right wing capitalist diesease. I get your point, but the fact that you made a very lazy reply to a small part of my post (as I am a lefty myself, but I dont have rose coloured glasses) kinda makes me shake my head. I have some reading material that is unbias in nature about this if you wish to learn more.
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Deborah

Quote from: SailorMars1994 on September 28, 2017, 05:45:53 PM
Interesting. you seemed to reply to one part of the reply I made. You obviously didnt read all of it. Also, you may want to brush on on all your history. It wasnt too long ago and in fact in some countries still the (normally far) left will call LGBT  a right wing capitalist diesease. I get your point, but the fact that you made a very lazy reply to a small part of my post (as I am a lefty myself, but I dont have rose coloured glasses) kinda makes me shake my head. I have some reading material that is unbias in nature about this if you wish to learn more.
What the left wing in some other country does or doesn't do is totally irrelevant to what's happening here.  What the left and right said or did at some time in the past is also totally irrelevant to what's happening today.  The fact is that today the right wing Republican Party is trying their best to deny us equal treatment under the law.  As for their economic policies they have failed time after time over the past 40 years.  Their claims of small government are a lie for the naive to believe as the right wing expands government and debt at a faster pace than the left.  To top it all off there is a significant portion of that political class that lives in some fantasy world where scientific fact is ignored in favor of Bronze Age mythologies and white supremacy is going to save the world.

As a former Republican myself I can fervently attest that the one and only thing that our Republican Party is consistently good at doing is lying to our faces and stabbing us in the back as they destroy the middle class to enrich their billionaire paymasters.

No, I don't need any lessons.  I have been living this system since I voted the first time in 1980.


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SailorMars1994

Quote from: Deborah on September 28, 2017, 06:16:19 PM
What the left wing in some other country does or doesn't do is totally irrelevant to what's happening here.  What the left and right said or did at some time in the past is also totally irrelevant to what's happening today.  The fact is that today the right wing Republican Party is trying their best to deny us equal treatment under the law.  As for their economic policies they have failed time after time over the past 40 years.  Their claims of small government are a lie for the naive to believe as the right wing expands government and debt at a faster pace than the left.  To top it all off there is a significant portion of that political class that lives in some fantasy world where scientific fact is ignored in favor of Bronze Age mythologies and white supremacy is going to save the world.

As a former Republican myself I can fervently attest that the one and only thing that our Republican Party is consistently good at doing is lying to our faces and stabbing us in the back as they destroy the middle class to enrich their billionaire paymasters.

No, I don't need any lessons.  I have been living this system since I voted the first time in 1980.


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Again, you just proved you read nothing more then what you wanted to. You will notice I said that conservatisim is a spectrum. And that in most of the country, your country the worst part of the right is being the de facto head of the GOP, but not totally. If you bothered to read beyond what you wanted to you would have saw that I said I can understand why people have different beliefs ( because not all conservatives are bigotted as you say), but I still have a hard time seeing how one could vote GOP outside of a few states who are members of the trans community due to national party and members making an election issue out of us. It isnt universal though, but it shamefully happens. Again, please read before you type!
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Deborah

Quote from: SailorMars1994 on September 28, 2017, 06:38:31 PM
Again, you just proved you read nothing more then what you wanted to. You will notice I said that conservatisim is a spectrum. And that in most of the country, your country the worst part of the right is being the de facto head of the GOP, but not totally. If you bothered to read beyond what you wanted to you would have saw that I said I can understand why people have different beliefs ( because not all conservatives are bigotted as you say), but I still have a hard time seeing how one could vote GOP outside of a few states who are members of the trans community due to national party and members making an election issue out of us. It isnt universal though, but it shamefully happens. Again, please read before you type!
Ok.  Then I apologize for not understanding.  However, while all conservatives may not personally think or say they are bigots all conservative voters participate in furthering entirely bigoted and failing policies.  By their participation they signal their agreement.


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SailorMars1994

Quote from: Deborah on September 28, 2017, 07:28:53 PM
Ok.  Then I apologize for not understanding.  However, while all conservatives may not personally think or say they are bigots all conservative voters participate in furthering entirely bigoted and failing policies.  By their participation they signal their agreement.


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It is all good, it happens. I may have been to rough around the edges so my bad (happens when I am getting into it). But yes, I am not an American so I dont personally experience what you do. Though I am much more left then right I still live in a country (Canada) that largely sees things like going to the bathroom as human rights issues that no one makes a scene about, not a moral stand that can make an election. Truth be told I rather a lefty but where I currently live, Ontario, the idea of the Conservatives winning the next provical election is far from scary as the Conservative leader and truth be told, likely new Premier Patrick Brown has now actually agresssively been trying to push for the Conservatives to not only be more inclusive, but strongly supports LGBTQ rights. Granted, I am more likely atm to vote NDP or Liberal at the federal level but if  were still here in Ontario for the provincial election next year I would atleast give Brown a strong look and be open.

Sadly, many on the right in America actually try using basic human rights like going to the bathroom into an election issue and hurt us in the process. Make no mistake, with the excpetion of being open to supporting a few Republicans who are more moderate/not far right like Charlie Baker, Phil Scott or Susan Collins I would have no other choice but to be a Democrat. And as 2017 would be a Democratic Party supporter with no shame. I do hope one day that would change as I would hate to be in the position of only being able to vote for one party, but that would be because the other party (GOP) is putting me in no other position.

Again, much love. And even though we may have thrown our barbs I do respect your point of view and in some cases have an agreement, I still just hope that people make their own decisions and not just merely follow a ''wing''.
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Jenntrans

Quote from: Deborah on September 28, 2017, 06:16:19 PM
What the left wing in some other country does or doesn't do is totally irrelevant to what's happening here.  What the left and right said or did at some time in the past is also totally irrelevant to what's happening today.  The fact is that today the right wing Republican Party is trying their best to deny us equal treatment under the law. As for their economic policies they have failed time after time over the past 40 years.  Their claims of small government are a lie for the naive to believe as the right wing expands government and debt at a faster pace than the left.  To top it all off there is a significant portion of that political class that lives in some fantasy world where scientific fact is ignored in favor of Bronze Age mythologies and white supremacy is going to save the world.

As a former Republican myself I can fervently attest that the one and only thing that our Republican Party is consistently good at doing is lying to our faces and stabbing us in the back as they destroy the middle class to enrich their billionaire paymasters.

No, I don't need any lessons.  I have been living this system since I voted the first time in 1980.


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I agree with you but we did not vote totally right or left this time. Any political party has the knife totally ready and that does include the left too.
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Deborah

Quote from: Jenntrans on September 29, 2017, 06:48:40 PM
I agree with you but we did not vote totally right or left this time. Any political party has the knife totally ready and that does include the left too.
I agree that both sides leave much to be desired.  So that gets back to my original point.  If I have a choice of two bad parties where one wants to guarantee my rights and the other wants to outlaw my existence then the choice becomes very easy.

And I do mean outlaw our existence.  The State of Alabama is running a Republican senate candidate right now that explicitly said we should be made illegal.


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IzzyC

Quote from: itsApril on August 01, 2017, 07:24:18 PM
Ultimately, he came out essentially in favor of pedophilia, and that was the beginning of the end. 

Just to point out a technicality, he was talking about pederasty on that podcast, not pedophilia.

That being said, Milo is entertaining. It is interesting to watch a bunch of people on the right cheering a flamboyant gay man in drag.

Milo speaks to a particular subgroup of people, largely my age and culture group. To be honest, quite a bit of his shtick did resonate with me a long time ago when he started. I was a victim of the family courts and American justice system in relation to my ex and my son. I had a potential career path stomped on by a very anti-male feminist lady (who forcibly dressed her son as a girl because she hated men so much) who was a sort gatekeeper in the English department at Uni. Much of his complaints against what feminism has become and our current cultural issue did resonate with me pretty hard.

Then he started bringing in the anti-trans thing into it, and I lost interest. The same thing happened with Ben Shapiro too, both of them aren't terribly educated on the subject; but that's not what they're trying to do. They have a particular dog in the fight: Milo because offensiveness is his capital, and Shapiro because he's a religious conservative and operates largely on Divine Law and Natural Law Theory (both of which don't work well).

They're perfectly fine to listen to, so long as they don't touch the trans topic. They likely won't ever be able to accept the most up to date information anyway. In Milo's case because it would be economic suicide. In Shapiro's case because it would blow out one of the fundamental axioms that formulates his worldview/ideology.

Milo's ultimate goal isn't to insult anyone really. If you listen to the people who know him personally, his character and person don't sync up well. As someone said, this is an act and everything we see is proximal to his true Ultimate desire: fame, money, and notoriety. Gay liberal pro-progressive men are a dime a dozen. He wouldn't have gotten anywhere toeing the party line. Going off grid though, as we've seen, nets the big bucks.
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SailorMars1994

Quote from: Deborah on September 29, 2017, 06:54:30 PM
I agree that both sides leave much to be desired.  So that gets back to my original point.  If I have a choice of two bad parties where one wants to guarantee my rights and the other wants to outlaw my existence then the choice becomes very easy.

And I do mean outlaw our existence.  The State of Alabama is running a Republican senate candidate right now that explicitly said we should be made illegal.


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...In addition to that he said the 9/11 was basically our fault. Sadly, since Alabama is so right wing he may very well win. I mean at his speech he decided to wear his cow-boy attire and fling around a little gun. As a non-American lemme tell you that is not normal and should worry the more well adjusted people. It is disturbing behavior. It is equally concerning that the worst forms of the right  and not the live and let live types on that spectrum, are being impowered. In 2007, the idea of Donald Trump being President then both Kid Rock and a ''Judge'' with bad judgement being elected to the Senate would be something that would be laughed hysterically at. Today, it is happening...
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Jenntrans

Quote from: Deborah on September 29, 2017, 06:54:30 PM
I agree that both sides leave much to be desired.  So that gets back to my original point.  If I have a choice of two bad parties where one wants to guarantee my rights and the other wants to outlaw my existence then the choice becomes very easy.

And I do mean outlaw our existence.  The State of Alabama is running a Republican senate candidate right now that explicitly said we should be made illegal.


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That is wrong. We may should be made illegal but it will never happen. I have never heard anyone say that and I watch Fox News. The Constitution guarantees us, Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. It can not be changed by either party. We have to right to Life. We exist because we have the right and those that may not agree with it are not within the confines of the US Constitution. We have the right to Liberty and that is living our lives how we want. Any party that goes against that is not within the confines of the US Constitution. Our own Pursuit of Happiness is just that, we pursue what will make us happy in life with the liberty to live it. This is what the Supreme Court took into account when they decided Same Sex Marriage was a right. I still think Marriage is for big business though. But some seem to like it and I do remember when Obama and Hillary stated that marriage was between on man and one woman. But don't take my word for it, look it up. I may be wrong but I am not though. They both were against it before they were for it.

Does anyone know how many LGBT republicans there are? I don't but can guess and I would guess that there are more LGBT republicans than democrats. I mean we have a whole separate group called the Log Cabin Republicans and I don't see the equivilant coming out of the Democratic party. Does the democratic party need it? Probably not because a lot of people believe in the LGBT community they are for them. They are not. A leopard does not change it's spots just to eat and politicians to not change their mentality but only their stance and all we are to them are votes.

What if Bill Clinton through his Governance of Arkansas and through his presidency had a trans girlfriend? How would Hillary feel?

Do some home work. Researching a candidate is hard and may take you places you don't want to go but all the "mudslinging" and "yellow journalism" do not take as fact. Make your own mind up. We live in an age now and in about 30 minutes you can find out everything you need to know about whatever candidate you want to know. Don't let any media, adds or anything else decide your vote.

Look at it like this, how many LGBTs, Ts especially does the Clinton Foundation hire? How many LGBTs does the Trump corporations hire and even the Ts? I know somewhat but  how you vote is not for me to try and persuade.

Personally I am a Libertarian like Milo. The left hates him because he is on the right and they will do anything to delegitimize him so anything he says will be twisted. He is gay so some on the right will try to twist anything he says too. Milo is just like all of us cis or trans, he is Libertarian and with one party hates Libertarians.

Hey I am a country girl. I hate country music and prefer metal but I like to shoot but don't hunt. My BF does and I will cook what he kills and eat it too as long as I don't have to. Most of our friends are not left or right but dead center and that is pretty much Libertarian.

So what is the politician for senates name? If you see it in a political add then that is mudslinging and probably not true. But remember, Obama and Hillary were against same sex marriage before they were for it and that you can look up from 2004.
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SailorMars1994

To the poster above yes, Judge Roy Moore has said these things. I have said frequently that it is important for all people, including trans people to look at the whole political spectrum. However as i have said the Democratic Party as of October 3rd 2017 is the only party I could support if I were an American. In addition to having candidates from the opposing party  scape-goat us for votes I personally think the the GOP lately has been so keen to be the opposite of the Democrats on broad issues that it is holding you guys back. For one a large majority of Democrats think the common sense approach such as universal health care, regulated environment, get the free market out of health care, the justice system (for profit prisons) and to have reasonable taxes on those who can afford to pay them. Not to tax people to death of course but if you are making over 250 grand a year, you can afford at least a slight increase.

See these are common sense things that everyone can agree on (well, not so much about taxes that will always be something the left and right will fight about, but I can understand the other point of view even if I disagree). The environment was never a right/left divided until later when Democrats championed the environment and of course Reagan says that a tree is a tree how many do we need to look at, which was enough for his base to scrap green ideas that even Nixon and Goldwater agreed upon. In Canada one of our most libertarian and conservative leaders named Preston Manning agreed the environment matters and has wrote on how best to handle it with green conservatism. Today, in the GOP Senate you have James Inhofe throwing snow balls to some how disprove us. My beef isnt right/left, but when it comes to the US yes I go for the Democrats. The GOP in my opinion just wishes to be the opposite of the Democrats so much so that instead of coming up with ideas that could very well even be better then the Democrats when it comes to important issues (health care, ect) they pretend there is no issues whatsoever and when they make a bill it is basically just to go back to how things were long ago. In other words not helping the situation.

Another beef I have with this overly objection ideology came last year when Obama nominated a superb Judge who is neither a liberal or a conservative die hard (as it should be when it comes to the courts). That judge was named Merrick Garland, a superb guy who would have been a great fit for the SCOTUS. However, even though Republican Senator Orrin Hatch had some said that Garland should be nominated in a round about way (March 2016), Senate Majority leader Mitch McConnell said well well before Judge Antonin Scallia went cold after his death that Obama will not be allowed to fill the vacancy, infact the Senate under McConnell wouldnt even look at an Obama nominee. Not even a single vote for or against, just a childish game of ''I dont want to''. Then, as this childish game went on in the fall McConnell had said that even if Hillary won he wouldnt have a vote on Garland during the lame duck session and basically Hillary would have to re-nominate her during the next session of the Congress or his nomination would be gone forever. Even though he bell ached that ''the next President will decied'', which Hillary probably would have kept Garland, McConnell still refused.

Sorry but for me that is a huge issue. Its one thing to look at a nominee and then vote accordingly to your beliefs but the whole promotion assassination of Garland was pure politicking just to troll Obama. Plain and Simple. Instead of having Garland who was a judicial moderate, we now have a more conservative activist on the court. Again, debate the issues and how to best deal with them, not pretend they don't exist or sabotage others for gain. The Democrats are guilty too, but from my view over many years (which is one of many things to make me go from staunch Republican to leaning Democrat) they are guilty at a far lesser degree.
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itsApril

Quote from: Jenntrans on October 02, 2017, 05:14:26 PM

That is wrong. We may should be made illegal but it will never happen. I have never heard anyone say that and I watch Fox News.

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Do some home work. Researching a candidate is hard and may take you places you don't want to go but all the "mudslinging" and "yellow journalism" do not take as fact. Make your own mind up. We live in an age now and in about 30 minutes you can find out everything you need to know about whatever candidate you want to know. Don't let any media, adds or anything else decide your vote.

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So what is the politician for senates name?


The candidate people were discussing is Roy Moore, running as a Republican for the open US Senate seat in Alabama.  Jenntrans is correct in saying that mudslinging in politics can make it difficult to separate what a politician really stands for from false mischaracterizations spread by political opponents.  As Jenntrans suggests, we should investigate for ourselves.

I did exactly that with Roy Moore.  Here is a link to a 2005 CSPAN interview in which Judge Moore forthrightly advocates that homosexual conduct should be made illegal:

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4682986/roy-moore-2005-bill-press

Listen for yourselves.  Nobody is putting words in Judge Moore's mouth.  That's his position, and he wants the votes of Alabamans to put him in the US Senate.

Jenntrans suggests that with the information resources we all have at our disposal, it should only take about 30 minutes to find out all you need to know.  This didn't take thirty minutes.  It only took about five minutes to get straight to the horse's mouth.  (Or whatever other part of the horse's anatomy is relevant.)
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Jenntrans

OK so it is Roy Moore and he won. But we do have a little thing called the Constitution. We have also had the Supreme Court that said same sex marriage was constitutional. Am I the only one that remembers when Obama and Hillary both weighed in saying that Marriage was for one man and one woman?

So all the BS aside, people do change their stances on things. Obama and Hillary stated their stance on same sex marriage in I believe 2004, this interview was in 2005. To be totally honest and if I lived in Alabama, I could care less if he thought I was a sinner or destined to hell or whatever. He is only one senator. Seems everyone hates Trump but maybe Trump was pushing for Strange instead of Moore for a reason and this may be why. Just a little something to think about.

You know. I have drove trucks most of my life but not the crap that usually comes out of the back of the trailers but Slot Machines, Commercial Furniture and so on. High dollar stuff and not Jogging shoes and underwear or canned goods. But I have delivered some stuff to Trump Properties and Trump Casinos before and I got treated very well even as a trans truck driver and always with respect. I delivered to a Hilton just outside of Atlantic City and busted my butt to get there and all I wanted was to sleep. 300 dollars a night for a room. I have delivered either slots or hotel furniture to a Casino/Hotel that was part of Trump's businesses then a 300 dollar room was comparable to a Motel 6 room in price because I got the stuff there trans and all and I was tired. 50 dollars for a three hundred dollar hotel room? It wasn't just me or whoever was taking the stuff off the trailer because everyone wanted those loads. I pulled a lot of slot machines and high end furniture. You would back you trailer to the dock and get a 30 dollar coupon for the restaurant. If you wanted a room then you tell whoever was in charge on the dock to call the desk with your name and you would get one hell of a discount. Dispatch hated these runs because it was a given that the driver would take the rest of the day off and call in at 8 the next morning.

But maybe Trump was pushing Strange for a reason. I think this interview and Moore's views against LGBTs are why.
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Quote from: Jenntrans on October 03, 2017, 05:09:50 PM
High dollar stuff and not Jogging shoes and underwear or canned goods.

Hey, all three of those things are super important! I have nothing to add to the political debate, I just wanted to defend the good name of jogging shoes, underwear, and canned goods! :D
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Quote from: Roll on October 03, 2017, 05:27:07 PM
Hey, all three of those things are super important! I have nothing to add to the political debate, I just wanted to defend the good name of jogging shoes, underwear, and canned goods! :D

LOL we all need shoes and undies but that is not where the money is with trucking though. :o

The big money is what I did, specialized and I still own truck that are leased to oilfield companies and a couple that is dedicated under my own authority to pull high, heavy and wide. General freight is about $1.30 per mile without a fuel surcharge but my two make an average of $12.00 per mile. Which after the expenses, permits, escorts and so on clears me about $3.00 per mile. The Oilfield usually clears me about $1.00 per mile This is after fuel, truck payments, driver pay, insurance, taxes, upkeep and so on. I love shoes and undies but I sure ain't going to pull them from point a to point b for $1.30 per mile. When the oilfield pays about $4 per mile and oversize $12 per mile.

But I do need my panties and thank god for the drivers that do get them to the store. ;)
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