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Do hormones make you act female?

Started by MissKairi, August 02, 2017, 11:23:15 PM

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MissKairi

okay one incident here but you know the way cis women cross their legs when sitting?
I badly want to do that. Its never even crossed my mind to do that but when sitting I think "thats the way I want to sit"

Has anyone else experienced anything like this?
Am I just subconciously conforming to female norms?
Let's see where this journey takes me.
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Rachel_Christina

Quote from: MissKairi on August 02, 2017, 11:23:15 PM
okay one incident here but you know the way cis women cross their legs when sitting?
I badly want to do that. Its never even crossed my mind to do that but when sitting I think "thats the way I want to sit"

Has anyone else experienced anything like this?
Am I just subconciously conforming to female norms?

Ive always sat like that and got stuck for it.
But honestly do hormones change your mind?, I really don't think so.
Things like this are mostly traits people learn from young. I know some girls who would never sit with legs crossed


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SailorMars1994

I agree with Rachel. These are traits that one learns. Some of us, like myself did many of those things we were young young naturally. Then around age 10 or 11 you tend to stop as you dont want to be made fun of for being ''gay'' or ''girly'' from male peers, even sometimes female peers. Then you try and stop.

Now, those things are back for me and I love them. Took time however to allow myself to do it on a regular basis, and to know it is ok to do it. HRT will feminize your apperence, and in a small small way may femininze other things that you want out of it. But assuming that is all true the E would then be high kicking your femininity that was there to begin with, not just make it happen out of the blue. So no, HRT will not back these things more natural to you, its something that you will have to allow youself to do starting now.
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Julia1996

I don't think hormones had any effect on my behavior. I have always been very feminine by nature. The way I sit, move, walk,talk,etc has always been very feminine. So much so that my dad suspected I was trans rather than gay before I transitioned. But that's just me. Everyone is different.

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echo7

I was at a community meeting yesterday of several dozen people.  Most of the women were sitting with their legs crossed (or not crossed, but together).  There were some incredibly beautiful and feminine women there.  But there was also one woman who was sitting with her legs spread very wide, like a man.  :)  She had no makeup, a low voice, messy hair, and had an overall disheveled appearance.  Not very attractive looking at all.  But she was unmistakably a cis female who has had estrogen in her system her whole life.

Hormones certainly didn't make her act feminine, lol.  And they won't make you act more feminine either.  It's a choice that you actively make as to whether you want to conform to societal expectations for behavior.
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elkie-t

I think cis-women generally keep legs together when wearing a skirt. In jeans, my observations would say - 50-50 and most women wear jeans these days...
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Jenny94

Hi MissKairi. Seems like this and a lot of other stuff is just learned behaviour, as the others have said. Perhaps I've misunderstood, but it sounds like you're finding it difficult to sit that way? When I was starting a few weeks ago, it bothered me that women often sit with their legs crossed and I couldn't do it without squashing my bollocks uncomfortably. So, I started out with an easy-to-remember rule: don't cross your legs, but always, always keep your knees together when sitting down. You can spread your feet out a bit to make it easier. If you stick to that, and keep your elbows in, you can't go far wrong. (That said, I'm still getting male-gendered all the time, so maybe I'm talking rubbish.) After a week or two of this rule, I realised my, uh, man bits were getting kind of used to being a bit squashed between my legs, and I was able to cross my legs (still only one way, though) for ten minutes or so without a problem. Wearing tighter underwear has helped - however you sit, you're still squashing stuff down there, so you might as well sit like a lady.

It seems to have something to do with weight, though. I'm a fairly standard guy weight, but if I were thinner, I think I'd be able to cross my legs for longer. Anyway, sorry for the TMI and rambling, hopefully this helps.
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Deb Roz

In recent years, I've come to embrace the way that I stand. 

Sailor Mars, you mentioned the ages 10-11 when people start to point these things out and make fun.  That was definitely it for me too.  I always put my hands on my hips and stuck a hip out.  I love doing that.  I also point my toes a lot.  These are just natural movements for me, that were socially 'corrected' by the crowd when I was young.

I'm glad i'm older and more secure and can reclaim these poses. 
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DawnOday

Affect the way you act? No unfortunately that is learned and takes time and practice. Hours and hours of practice, It may give you mental stability you have never experienced before. It will affect the way you look. Slightly. FFS will make you look slightly better. It's a process that takes time, nothing happens over night. You can't throw on a dress and call yourself a woman. While I still do not believe I am a woman, I feel I can relate and understand things from a woman's point of view. As long as I have dangly parts I can never consider the job done. But I can cope with what my mind tells me and what by body parts suggest. It's been a lifetime battle but I found with counseling and inclusion into the transgender society that I am not alone. I do not have to suffer alone. Members of the community are just seeking human rights administered to other segments of society. WE and all alternate lifestyle proponents have to start rowing the boat together and stop the infighting.
You do not have to cross your legs, just cross your ankles. One thing I have observed is women tend to put left over right rather than right over left. Maybe I need to get out more. :laugh:
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KarynMcD

Quote from: MissKairi on August 02, 2017, 11:23:15 PM
okay one incident here but you know the way cis women cross their legs when sitting?
I badly want to do that. Its never even crossed my mind to do that but when sitting I think "thats the way I want to sit"

I want to be able to sit like that too, but my legs just don't move that way. My legs have always been thick and muscular which doesn't help.

The way I walk, sit in other ways, and some mannerisms always tended toward female, but I just can't cross my legs easily over one another.
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Tommi

I was in traffic the other day, and it was rush hour. I had a moment of clarity that the angry amd aggressive driving I was doing was out of habit. Because I *wasn't* feeling angry or aggressive. So it did not change my behavior, but it did suppress the anger response so I could knowingly choose to behave differently.

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MissKairi

I didnt think it changed the way but it still remains that when sitting in thr male crosslegged shape (one leg down other tucked over knee) I strongly want to do the full leg over.

Its very strange, my mind is so calm and clear and I FEEL more feminine if that makes sense.

I wonder if due to this calmness I am allowing myself to be myself rather than the great man posturing I still sometimes do to fit in.
Let's see where this journey takes me.
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Paige

Quote from: Tommi on August 03, 2017, 01:33:24 PM
I was in traffic the other day, and it was rush hour. I had a moment of clarity that the angry amd aggressive driving I was doing was out of habit. Because I *wasn't* feeling angry or aggressive. So it did not change my behavior, but it did suppress the anger response so I could knowingly choose to behave differently.

I definitely agree with this.  I've been on low dose E for about a year.  I use to be very quick to anger.  I use to drive rather aggressively.  Now I'm much easier going.

As for mannerisms, I sort of agree  they can be learned.  I also remember standing a lot with one hip out.  I use to walk with my knees in more.  I use to carry my books for school on my chest with two hands.  All these things I got chastised for and so I stopped doing it.  The thing is they all came naturally but I did learn how to stop doing them.

Now I find when I naturally let my knees go in a bit I feel my more secure on my feet.  I also notice I have a bit of a hip sway because of it. 

Take care,
Paige :)
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KageNiko

Quote from: MissKairi on August 03, 2017, 01:56:33 PM
I wonder if due to this calmness I am allowing myself to be myself rather than the great man posturing I still sometimes do to fit in.
I think you hit the nail on the head there.  Like many others mentioned, I have a lot of female mannerisms that had to be unlearned (hip out with hands on the hips, for example).  There were a few that I never got rid of, however, and I like to use them to kind of "clue" those around me in to my being transgender, without coming out and saying it.  For instance, it's very easy for me to cross my legs tightly together, and I have done it for years.  I actually cross my legs in both ways without thinking about it, until my legs go numb, lol.

But think of it like this: You are you.  If the hormones changed the way you behaved, then, would you still be you?
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josie76

I don't think hormones do it. I think if you are trans feminine, that you spend your life watching other women, learning just like cis girls do. When you finally accept yourself and become open to being real. Those silently learned behaviors are finally freed.

That's seems to be the way it has been for me. Sitting legs crossed seems natural that I sometimes have had to think about not doing it in the wrong situation. That's becoming less of an issue for me these days.
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HoneyStrums

Pelvic tilt, Might make sitting like this feels more comfortable.

Also if you feel more feminine sitting like that, it could also be that the hormones might cause you to feel more confident in feminine expressive.

Do i think the hrt is going it? no. But maybe a result of a side effect of a side effect. just a thought.
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elkie-t

When I drive wearing heels, my feet just sit so that it accelerate and break car very aggressively. When I am not wearing heels, I most often am the slowest accelerator on the road.


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Daniellekai

On my third injection, I can say I get a little bitchy towards the end of my dose, it's definitely a different feeling than pre-hrt in a bad mood... It hasn't changed the way I deal with it, suck it up and just be nice, lol. As far as changing innate behavior in other ways, certainly not directly, but it'll change your appearance, reconfigure your body, I can see that changing what positions are comfortable as well as how other people see and treat you, both of those will have an effect on your behavior on some level, presumably there's not really such a thing as thinking like a man/woman, we all think like humans, and respond to our environmental stimuli in similar ways.


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jentay1367

Magic girl pills do nothing for your mannerisms, unfortunately.  Transition is hard work, every day proves it to me. So much work in fact, I'd think if you aren't trans and making a mistake, all that work will dissuade you from continuing.  Those that are, it reenergizes them and helps them move along. But it does seem to be a common question for those beginning. Your mannerisms and presentation are all on you and involve dedication and practice if you've already lived any appreciable amount of your life as a male.
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Dan

Hormones do not make you act female. I was born with those hormones in my system and I can vouch for the fact that they never made me acquire female mannerisms. Most mannerisms are socially learned and enforced.
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