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Started by Rachel, August 26, 2017, 09:49:08 PM

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Rachel

Hello,

I am post op about 9 months. At my 3 month post op appointment Dr. Mcginn prescribed testosterone cream with the target to be 30 ng/dl. I tested 80 ng/dl and stopped using the cream. I just had my T tested and I am less than 3 ng/dl which is the limit of the test. I was thinking of requesting T cream and cycling it the last 3 days of my injection cycle. My goal would be to mimic the progesterone estrogen cycle of a natal female better as a compromise.

Dr. McGinn;'s reasoning for T:
Needed for bone health.
Needed for energy levels.
Needed for libido.
People's genetics are designed to have T.

My issue was:
I just had GCS and I had a really hard time putting what I considered poison in my body. It was on my mind very often.
I did not want any issues with my hair.

I think Dr. McGinn's reasoning is sound and I have adjusted a bit since having GCS and realize T may have a place in my body at a very low level.

I am on a high dose of E IM and perhaps my dose is too high. My current MD is temporary and perhaps not as experienced in HRT standards of care. I wish I could share my dose here to get some feedback. I inject every 10 days and it is considered a high transitioning dose.

Has anyone else used T post GCS and what has been your experiences? Did you cycle the T? Was your E reduced or injection cycle increased?

Thanks in advance.



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Megan.

Rachel,  thank you for asking,  I'm curious on this subject too...

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LizK

I am not post op but I also do not produce any T of my own...I have just been prescribed T cream to help see if we can't get at lest some to register in my next blood test and at best keep it 3 or under...but only if I wanted it....Having the levels of T in your system is appropriate for good health but I have a real problem putting this into my body purely from a psychological point of view. However my new Dr thinks I will feel much better over all and also mentioned things like its good for motivation and decision making along with what you have listed.

I have used one dose which comes in measured pump and I may even keep using it...but then again my relationship with Testosterone has never been pleasant...however like it or not our bodies are designed to have some...even a small amount. So I will persevere for awhile and see if makes any difference.
Transition Begun 25 September 2015
HRT since 17 May 2016,
Fulltime from 8 March 2017,
GCS 4 December 2018
Voice Surgery 01 February 2019
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Nina

My surgeon said there was no point in continuing T.
And I'm on the lowest dosage of E.
I'm 3 years post op
2007/8 - name change, tracheal shave, electrolysis, therapy
2008 - full time
2014 - GCS Dr. Brassard; remarried
2018 (January)  - hubby and I moved off-grid
2019 - plan originally was to hike PCT in 2020, but now attempting Appalachian Trail - start date April 3.
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KayXo

#4
I am post-op since 2005. I've always been on either estrogen alone or estrogen + progesterone, always taken continuously, no breaks. I don't believe there is any advantage in mimicking a woman's menstrual cycle, no studies show there is and it's not natural, in any event, to go through so many cycles as ciswomen do (it's a result a modernization and birth control pills). I also prefer not experiencing PMS. :(

Several months ago, I decided to add testosterone to my regimen because I felt I lacked drive/motivation, I didn't feel I was very energetic in general, was somewhat depressed, hoped it would help with reducing the amount of cellulite, make my skin tighter, stronger and less dry (hair too). In terms of libido, I had no issues. At that time, I was also on IM EV injections, a high dose, just like you, every 5 instead of 10 days. Although my total T was extremely low, around 3-9 ng/dl and my free & bio-available T (which give a more accurate measurement as this is the actual T that is biologically available and can trigger androgen receptors) undetectable, this is NOT the reason I decided to add T. Some women feel fine on very low levels, every person is different. I did what I did, based solely on my symptoms and thinking, after much reading (studies in oophorectomized and post-menopausal women), that these could improve with T because I had tried everything else, high dose estrogen, high dose progesterone.

I have to admit though that, upon switching to injections from oral estradiol (high dose), I found my skin overall improved significantly. It became softer, smoother and glowed more. I was no longer anxious but just somewhat depressed and "lazy". My breasts shrank sadly but it was worth all the other improvements.

My doctor prescribed me Androgel and I use a little amount each day, applying it on my inner thighs. Several months later, this is what I noticed, so far:
- my clitoris especially and my nipples respond to touch in a very intense way during foreplay, like NEVER BEFORE. I can now have clitoral orgasms, quite easily and the whole experience has become much more intense and pleasurable. This alone, for me, is worth continuing the T. I love it!!! No increase in libido though. The one thing that increases it significantly is progesterone.
- arm hair is coming in faster and has slightly increased but still ok. Nothing to be alarmed at so far.
- around my hairline, I'm not certain if it's my imagination or not but I noticed a slight receding around the right temple, VERY slight but could have been there before. My hairline in general is quite full and good.
- my skin is in the best condition it's been in years. Softer, rarely dry, glowing and VERY slightly oily in certain areas (hand, forehead, chin). Taking a shower now, the skin feels impermeable to the hot water and I come out with skin that is no longer dry or if it is, it quickly recovers.
- my hair gets oilier and dirtier faster so that I need to wash it more often. Not liking this. :(
- I will get some body odor now if I'm somewhat anxious. Just use more antiperspirant and it resolves it. No biggie.
- cellulite has improved so that there is much much less in and around thighs, like perhaps a mere 10% of what was before and in the butt, perhaps a 30% reduction. I feel more confident now showing my legs and wearing mini-skirts, short shorts, etc. Or even a bikini, but my boobs are tiny.
- my mood is slightly better, more positive. The lack of motivation/drive remains though.
- breasts which started to grow more when I added Estrogel and moved away from injections have stopped growing since I slightly increased the amount of Androgel. A combination probably of the latter + stopping injections as my SHBG is also dropping and allowing more T to circulate and attach to receptors. My Estrogel will soon be increased a little.

On injections, progesterone and no T, my SHBG was high, in excess of 200 nmol//L, could have been 400-500, for all I know. I got back my blood test results a couple of weeks ago. My SHBG is still in excess of 200 nmol/L, I had stopped injecting 15 days before that. So although my T did increase to around 37 ng/dl, my free and bio-T are still undetectable. Regardless, as I described above, I noticed many changes so blood tests can only tell you so much and this is why I don't put much importance on those results, I just do them to keep *some* of my doctors happy, we don't always see eye to eye. I go by physical and psychological response rather than numbers on a paper. My E2 dropped significantly from between 1,000-4,000 pg/ml to now around 200 pg/ml, 12 hours after my last Estrogel application, whatever that number means LOL.

In general, though, I feel somewhat better and am happy with the change so far. The only two things that concern me are: the receding hairline bit (even more so because I'm not sure how reliable my own assessment is) and the tiny boobs. Increasing the Estrogel could help. Time will tell.

In the end, my advice from one transwoman to another, having gone through this, is: establish your priorities, assess how you feel now and decide, REGARDLESS OF LEVELS, if T is really worthwhile in YOUR case. Everyone is different. Go with your gut instinct. ;)

We must also consider that there are women who are completely insensitive to androgen so this should really make us rethink the idea that T is absolutely necessary in human beings. Or perhaps, the genetic mutation in these women makes them an entirely different type of population to whom we cannot compare, just as we differ from ciswomen in certain respects so that our sensitivity to hormones may be quite distinct from theirs.

Best of luck and if you want to PM me, it will be a pleasure to discuss in more detail this whole T matter.  ;D




I am not a medical doctor, nor a scientist - opinions expressed by me on the subject of HRT are merely based on my own review of some of the scientific literature over the last decade or so, on anecdotal evidence from women in various discussion forums that I have come across, and my personal experience

On HRT since early 2004
Post-op since late 2005
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KayXo

P.S. : estrogen alone, in high enough doses, is sufficient/necessary to maintain bone mass (and even sometimes increase it) as evidenced by studies in ciswomen, transwomen and transmen. T is therefore not a requisite for bone health.
I am not a medical doctor, nor a scientist - opinions expressed by me on the subject of HRT are merely based on my own review of some of the scientific literature over the last decade or so, on anecdotal evidence from women in various discussion forums that I have come across, and my personal experience

On HRT since early 2004
Post-op since late 2005
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LizK

Thanks for your detailed answer Kay...It sounds from what you have said that you are pleased with the results overall and can see the benefit for you. My Dr was very quick to tell me this is a matter of choice and "may" make me feel better. I have the cream to use if I want but I as I said I really hate the stuff and what it has done to me in the past although to be fair I really can't compare the ointment with the T injections I had. I have been using the ointment for about a week now so will revaluate after further 2-3 weeks depending on any noticeable effects
Transition Begun 25 September 2015
HRT since 17 May 2016,
Fulltime from 8 March 2017,
GCS 4 December 2018
Voice Surgery 01 February 2019
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