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Started by Bari Jo, October 10, 2017, 07:48:20 PM

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JennyBear

Quote from: Bari Jo on October 12, 2017, 01:44:18 AM
Thanks Megan and Jenny.  I'm probably going to do another draft.  I just reread it, maybe I'm desensitized now, but it reads as clinical to me.  I don't read any pain into it, and I want her to have empathy from it.  I'm probably stressing over this too much since she's my best friend and sister.

Oh, and Megan, I plan to live as Bari Jo, female.  I'll add some lines to that effect.  Even dressing in drab, I want to be perceived as female.

Looking toward a less emotional tomorrow nonetheless.

Bari Jo

    Nothing wrong with making it more personal, if you're ok with that. Might be better served in the first letter. If you do use my analogy, it's much more effective spoken, with the appropriate pauses, than written. Good luck tomorrow and Nov 1st.

HUGS!
"Don't be fooled by the rocks that I got. I'm still, I'm still Jenny from the block."
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Julia1996

I'm sorry this is stressing you out so bad. From everything you've written about your sister it sounds like she will be accepting. And she might even suspect you're trans and is waiting for you to talk about it. That was the case with my dad except he got tired of waiting and outed me himself. Your sister probably knows more than you think she does. My brother wasn't even a little surprised that I'm trans.  Your sister probably won't be either. Your note is very good.  I'm wishing you good luck sweetie.
Big hugs.
Julia


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SRS done 5/21/2018
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Colleen_definitely

Julia makes a good point.  With all of the evidence and parental interaction over this that you mentioned, I wouldn't be entirely surprised if this ended in her saying (lightheartedly) "oh, so NOW you're going to do something about that?  We've known for years"

Then again she could be equal parts oblivious and in denial like my sister was.
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Roll

Quote from: Bari Jo on October 12, 2017, 01:44:18 AM
Thanks Megan and Jenny, and Colleen  I'm probably going to do another draft.  I just reread it, maybe I'm desensitized now, but it reads as clinical to me.  I don't read any pain into it, and I want her to have empathy from it.  I'm probably stressing over this too much since she's my best friend and sister.


I wouldn't worry about it sounding clinical, it didn't sound clinical to me at least. Remember too that this won't be in a void, you will be there probably loaded with visible emotion as she reads, and that will probably be more personal and empathy driving than a letter ever could be.
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An Open Letter to anyone suffering from anxiety, particularly those afraid to make your first post or continue posting!

8/30/17 - First Therapy! The road begins in earnest.
10/20/17 - First coming out (to my father)!
12/16/17 - BEGAN HRT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
5/21/18 - FIRST DAY OUT AS ME!!!!!!!!!
6/08/18 - 2,250 Hair Grafts
6/23/18 - FIRST PRIDE!
8/06/18 - 100%, completely out!
9/08/18 - I'M IN LOVE!!!!
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Bari Jo

Thanks you have calmed my spirit.  The next couple weeks will be my sisters wedding full bore.  I'll be going in drab if you count wearing a mask and dressed in a black suit with spray painted bones on it.  It's a day of the dead wedding.  Then once she's had her honeymoon, and in my place in Nov, I'll having a coming out dessert night.

Bari Jo
you know how far the universe extends outward? i think i go inside just as deep.

10/11/18 - out to the whole world.  100% friends and family support.
11/6/17 - came out to sister, best day of my life
9/5/17 - formal diagnosis and stopping DIY in favor if prescribed HRT
6/18/17 - decided to stop fighting the trans beast, back on DIY.
Too many ups and downs, DIY, purges of self inbetween dates.
Age 10 - suppression and denial began
Age 8 - knew I was different
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Megan.

Quote from: Bari Jo on October 12, 2017, 09:40:06 AM
Thanks you have calmed my spirit.  The next couple weeks will be my sisters wedding full bore.  I'll be going in drab if you count wearing a mask and dressed in a black suit with spray painted bones on it.  It's a day of the dead wedding.  Then once she's had her honeymoon, and in my place in Nov, I'll having a coming out dessert night.

Bari Jo
Maybe you could go heavy on the makeup for the celebration and skip the mask?
The dessert meal makes me laugh only because I would meet friends for a meal to come out to them,  but I'd always do it over dessert, partly out of nerves,  and party so I could still have a nice meal before it possibly got ruined (always went well though). X

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Bari Jo

Quote from: meganjames2 on October 12, 2017, 10:06:40 AM
Maybe you could go heavy on the makeup for the celebration and skip the mask?
The dessert meal makes me laugh only because I would meet friends for a meal to come out to them,  but I'd always do it over dessert, partly out of nerves,  and party so I could still have a nice meal before it possibly got ruined (always went well though). X

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Yup, we think alike Megan for the dessert.  I've been actually looking forward to this mask.  I'm viewing it as my final mask, final facade before coming out.  I want it in the wall like a trophy with all my others.  Many people will have their face painted for the wedding.  There will be two face painters there, not me I'm doing the mask with purpose

Bari Jo
you know how far the universe extends outward? i think i go inside just as deep.

10/11/18 - out to the whole world.  100% friends and family support.
11/6/17 - came out to sister, best day of my life
9/5/17 - formal diagnosis and stopping DIY in favor if prescribed HRT
6/18/17 - decided to stop fighting the trans beast, back on DIY.
Too many ups and downs, DIY, purges of self inbetween dates.
Age 10 - suppression and denial began
Age 8 - knew I was different
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Megan.

Quote from: Bari Jo on October 12, 2017, 10:12:41 AM
... my final mask, final facade before coming out...

Bari Jo

I love that idea. X

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JennyBear

Quote from: Bari Jo on October 12, 2017, 10:12:41 AM
I've been actually looking forward to this mask.  I'm viewing it as my final mask, final facade before coming out.  I want it in the wall like a trophy with all my others.  Many people will have their face painted for the wedding.  There will be two face painters there, not me I'm doing the mask with purpose.

    I like this train of thought. It will serve two purposes for you. The obvious one is the symbolic mask reveal to your true self after the ceremony. The other, which combined with you going in drab, keeps the focus on your sister's special day. Though you might harbour secret Bride's Maid fantasies, in the end your sister will be grateful that you didn't add to what is already going to be a chaotic day for her.

HUGS!
"Don't be fooled by the rocks that I got. I'm still, I'm still Jenny from the block."
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Bari Jo

My sister just bought me a doll after I said I really like it.  I hope she realizes I identify with this doll.  She will soon enough:)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/rxt15rkk9xgregi/IMG_4660_2.jpg?dl=0

Bari Jo
you know how far the universe extends outward? i think i go inside just as deep.

10/11/18 - out to the whole world.  100% friends and family support.
11/6/17 - came out to sister, best day of my life
9/5/17 - formal diagnosis and stopping DIY in favor if prescribed HRT
6/18/17 - decided to stop fighting the trans beast, back on DIY.
Too many ups and downs, DIY, purges of self inbetween dates.
Age 10 - suppression and denial began
Age 8 - knew I was different
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Roll

Quote from: Bari Jo on October 12, 2017, 10:15:09 PM
My sister just bought me a doll after I said I really like it.  I hope she realizes I identify with this doll.  She will soon enough:)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/rxt15rkk9xgregi/IMG_4660_2.jpg?dl=0

Bari Jo

Gonna be honest, that creeps me out really bad. ;D But I'm happy you like it nonetheless!
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(I made the s lowercase so it didn't look as much like PMS... ;D)

An Open Letter to anyone suffering from anxiety, particularly those afraid to make your first post or continue posting!

8/30/17 - First Therapy! The road begins in earnest.
10/20/17 - First coming out (to my father)!
12/16/17 - BEGAN HRT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
5/21/18 - FIRST DAY OUT AS ME!!!!!!!!!
6/08/18 - 2,250 Hair Grafts
6/23/18 - FIRST PRIDE!
8/06/18 - 100%, completely out!
9/08/18 - I'M IN LOVE!!!!
2/27/19 - Name Change!

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JennyBear

Quote from: Bari Jo on October 12, 2017, 10:15:09 PM
My sister just bought me a doll after I said I really like it.  I hope she realizes I identify with this doll.  She will soon enough:)

    Hate to break it to you, but that's pretty much a dead giveaway that she already knows. Sort of her way of saying she loves you for you, and nothing will change that. Hopefully that takes some pressure off for Nov 1st.

HUGS!
"Don't be fooled by the rocks that I got. I'm still, I'm still Jenny from the block."
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Bari Jo

Quote from: JennyBear on October 13, 2017, 12:33:51 AM
    Hate to break it to you, but that's pretty much a dead giveaway that she already knows. Sort of her way of saying she loves you for you, and nothing will change that. Hopefully that takes some pressure off for Nov 1st.

HUGS!

I really hope so.  I'm a bundle of nerves and will be till afterwards.
you know how far the universe extends outward? i think i go inside just as deep.

10/11/18 - out to the whole world.  100% friends and family support.
11/6/17 - came out to sister, best day of my life
9/5/17 - formal diagnosis and stopping DIY in favor if prescribed HRT
6/18/17 - decided to stop fighting the trans beast, back on DIY.
Too many ups and downs, DIY, purges of self inbetween dates.
Age 10 - suppression and denial began
Age 8 - knew I was different
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Megan.

Haha very cool,  which half is you?

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KathyLauren

Quote from: JennyBear on October 13, 2017, 12:33:51 AM
    Hate to break it to you, but that's pretty much a dead giveaway that she already knows. Sort of her way of saying she loves you for you, and nothing will change that. Hopefully that takes some pressure off for Nov 1st.

HUGS!
That's exactly what I thought when I saw the picture.  Bari Jo, your sister is probably going to say, "What took you so long?  I've known for a long time."
2015-07-04 Awakening; 2015-11-15 Out to self; 2016-06-22 Out to wife; 2016-10-27 First time presenting in public; 2017-01-20 Started HRT!!; 2017-04-20 Out publicly; 2017-07-10 Legal name change; 2019-02-15 Approval for GRS; 2019-08-02 Official gender change; 2020-03-11 GRS; 2020-09-17 New birth certificate
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Colleen_definitely

Ha ha, yuuup she knows or at least suspects.  This is sisterly prodding.
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HappyMoni

Quote from: Bari Jo on October 11, 2017, 09:40:28 PM
Today was a brutal emotional day.  I spent my commute, both ways  and lunch hour writing the letter for my sister.  I was nearly crying the whole time and not hiding it well.  A coworker even came in to tell me to "hang in there'.  I'm still almost crying, but I think it's a good enough draft to get opinions.  Let me know what you think?  Maybe how to change to make it better?

Bari Jo

Part 1, The Reveal
If you are reading this, then I'm probably a mess crying rather than saying what I want and need to say. I'm fairly certain you are aware of my issues personally and in relating to others in love and friendship. In short, and saying this up front before going into any of my history, I'm transgender. I've struggled with the ramifications, outcomes, problems with this for nearly 40 years. I've denied and repressed as long as I could, it's part of me. This has made me hollow and unfeeling, uncomfortable with myself, anyone I've tried to get close to, even just being in social situations and work environments. At times the disconnect that comes with this is almost debilitating. I've finally accepted what I am, and am not fighting it anymore. I've carried the weight of shame, and denial for far too long. From now on, I plan on taking steps to live as myself, as the person I've felt I am inside for as long as I can remember. On the plus side you won't have to learn a new name, or call me anything else. I'm accepting the name Mom and Dad had for me originally before I was born of "Bari Jo". This makes it easy for everybody, besides I like the name, and the history that goes with it.

I want you to know that the struggle was entirely my fault. I didn't have the tools nor maturity to deal with this issue. I know you tried to get me to open up many times. Nothing you could have said or done could have made this happen sooner or differently. I wasn't ready, I'm still not ready, but feel the need to do it finally.

I will still be the same individual you have grown up with, and learned to love despite my faults. I will still be here for you as well in the same capacity, but now also with something more and a calmness that comes with personal acceptance.

I hope you are able to accept this and me if not now, sometime soon. You are a big part of my life, and I want you to remain a big part.

Part 2, The History
I've struggled with my identity all my life, since grade school and before. I knew I was different, I knew that I didn't fit in from an early age. I had nothing but support from our family, well except Andrea. She would ask me often if I was gay. I always answered honestly, no, I'm not. In fact I'm straight, but do like men. I know I've had girlfriends, but they never lasted and it was my fault. I was always struggling with my internal demons that made me not want to be masculine. Mom and Dad had conversations with me trying to see if I would rather be a girl a few times, even offering avenues to achieve it. In my head I was always wanting to say yes, but couldn't admit it. Environmental factors were stronger than family since I was bombarded from all sides to not be different from friends, teachers, TV, you name it. The message was to fit in, and accept my assigned gender.

So the repression took hold. I became fairly good at putting up a facade. I hid behind my make believe persona, but in my head it was always the opposite. At times this facade would break down and I'd have to let Bari Jo come out if only for a tiny bit, even if this was only in very small ways. Sometimes the facade would hold for years before another breakdown would happen.

On the other hand these breakdowns sometimes were very soul crushing and life changing too. I've been broken a few times so badly that the only way out I found was to attempt transition. I did this three times on my own using herbal hormones and anti androgens before feeling fine again or scaring myself into stopping. This is the problem with Gender Dysphoria, it's mental, and also chemical/hormonal. In a transgender person, if the hormone balance is restored to what your brain needs and body craves, rather than what you can create, you feel fine. You are able to function, think clearly, feel calm, and rationalize incorrectly you don't need it anymore. I've learned the hard way that I do need it a few times. Not only do the feelings of dysphoria come back, but stronger than ever. This last time I could barely function from it.

On the plus side, I'm starting to get a handle on my Gender Dysphoria. I've been attending group therapy both online and in person for a few months now. During my last DIY transition attempt, I came to accept myself with a lot of help from a support group and in person friends I've met along the way. This led me to meet with a transgender specialist. I have been professionally diagnosed and the relief from getting this diagnosis is profound. I am now on prescription medication to monitor and aid in transition the safe and correct way.

I'm sure you have questions, and concerns. I'm here and will answer the best I can. I can't guarantee it won't be emotional. You are the one person I so desperately want and need support.

PS. I've broken down crying many times in writing this letter.
Bari Jo,
   I am a bit late to your thread, but am very happy that you are finding your path. Perhaps I am a stranger to you but I had a few thoughts for you to think about. I came out in multiple ways about two years ago. For the people I was closest to, I came out in person. This was to my sons. I am thinking that you are probably terrified to tell your sister. I was in my case. I wanted to give my kids a heads up before we talked, so I  wrote them a little note and let them read it. It really emphasized the thing you said above. "You are the one person I desperately want and need support from." I told them that we needed to sit down and talk about something very important to me. The thing is, I am terrified that it could cause me to lose you. I said that it was no longer a choice, that I had to do this. I hope you will listen and give what I say a chance. I then listed a few things that it wasn't, such as me sick or dying, going to jail, etc. I wanted them to be ready to listen and I thought it good that they worried a little but not too much. I asked that they not ask questions until we got to the place where we would talk. To me this was a way to break the ice on a momentous conversation. (You might hand such a note to her at the end of dinner with the idea of talking when you get home for example.) When I did tell them that I was trans, I set it up with history first. I wanted to give the context of where this was all coming from. Let's face it, as soon as you say, "I am trans."or "I am wrestling with gender identity issues." no one hears anything else that is said. I came out in front of 90 coworkers and many said that after I said that, they heard nothing else. One more thing, I did not hold back telling my kids how much I had tried to run from myself, how much anguish it had caused me. I wanted to let them know what the stakes were for me. I also  thought that the details of transition could come later. It was too much to tell and to soon for them to think specifics. It's funny that my son later joked that he was glad it wasn't something really weird like me changing political parties or something. They both were fine with me thankfully. I asked if I handled it okay and they said it was done very well. I have no stake in how you handle things, but I thought I would offer up my experience as a reference. I so wish you good luck. It felt wonderful to me to unload a secret I had carried for over 50 years. I hope you experience this as well.
Moni
If I ever offend you, let me know. It's not what I am about.
"Never let the dark kill your light!"  (SailorMars)

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Bari Jo

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Thank you Moni, that is very good advice.  I will incorporate it into my strategy.  I completely plan on doing this in person.  The letter is just in case I start crying, which is a very real possibility.

Your strategy of deflecting from other possible worse things is a great idea to start the conversation.  It will also delay me saying I'm transgender for a bit too.

Bari Jo
you know how far the universe extends outward? i think i go inside just as deep.

10/11/18 - out to the whole world.  100% friends and family support.
11/6/17 - came out to sister, best day of my life
9/5/17 - formal diagnosis and stopping DIY in favor if prescribed HRT
6/18/17 - decided to stop fighting the trans beast, back on DIY.
Too many ups and downs, DIY, purges of self inbetween dates.
Age 10 - suppression and denial began
Age 8 - knew I was different
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HappyMoni

I just noticed your saying,"fear , shame you won't own me forever." I love it. You can do this.
Moni
If I ever offend you, let me know. It's not what I am about.
"Never let the dark kill your light!"  (SailorMars)

HRT June 11, 2015. (new birthday) - FFS in late June 2016. (Dr. _____=Ugh!) - Full time June 18, 2016 (Yeah! finally) - GCS June 27, 2017. (McGinn=Yeah!) - Under Eye repair from FFS 8/17/17 - Nose surgery-November 20, 2017 (Dr. Papel=Yeah) - Hair Transplant on June 21, 2018 (Dr. Cooley-yeah) - Breast Augmentation on July 10, 2018 (Dr. Basner in Baltimore) - Removed bad scarring from FFS surgery near ears and hairline in August, 2018 (Dr. Papel) -Sept. 2018, starting a skin regiment on face with Retin A  April 2019 -repairing neck scar from FFS

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JennyBear

Quote from: HappyMoni on October 13, 2017, 06:05:03 PM
Bari Jo,
   I am a bit late to your thread, but am very happy that you are finding your path. Perhaps I am a stranger to you but I had a few thoughts for you to think about. I came out in multiple ways about two years ago. For the people I was closest to, I came out in person. This was to my sons. I am thinking that you are probably terrified to tell your sister. I was in my case. I wanted to give my kids a heads up before we talked, so I  wrote them a little note and let them read it. It really emphasized the thing you said above. "You are the one person I desperately want and need support from." I told them that we needed to sit down and talk about something very important to me. The thing is, I am terrified that it could cause me to lose you. I said that it was no longer a choice, that I had to do this. I hope you will listen and give what I say a chance. I then listed a few things that it wasn't, such as me sick or dying, going to jail, etc. I wanted them to be ready to listen and I thought it good that they worried a little but not too much. I asked that they not ask questions until we got to the place where we would talk. To me this was a way to break the ice on a momentous conversation. (You might hand such a note to her at the end of dinner with the idea of talking when you get home for example.) When I did tell them that I was trans, I set it up with history first. I wanted to give the context of where this was all coming from. Let's face it, as soon as you say, "I am trans."or "I am wrestling with gender identity issues." no one hears anything else that is said. I came out in front of 90 coworkers and many said that after I said that, they heard nothing else. One more thing, I did not hold back telling my kids how much I had tried to run from myself, how much anguish it had caused me. I wanted to let them know what the stakes were for me. I also  thought that the details of transition could come later. It was too much to tell and to soon for them to think specifics. It's funny that my son later joked that he was glad it wasn't something really weird like me changing political parties or something. They both were fine with me thankfully. I asked if I handled it okay and they said it was done very well. I have no stake in how you handle things, but I thought I would offer up my experience as a reference. I so wish you good luck. It felt wonderful to me to unload a secret I had carried for over 50 years. I hope you experience this as well.
Moni

    "Came out" to my kids last spring, as I was just starting to re-transition. Currently they're 12 (twins.) Fortunately wife had them watch the Caitlyn Jenner thing a few weeks prior, so they already had a (very) general idea what being transwoman is. After a decently gourmet homemade dinner (Chicken Spinach Alfredo over Veggie Rotini,) and the dishes were cleared away, we all gathered back around the table with us both saying we have something very important to talk to you two about. We told them it wasn't necessarily anything bad, like divorce, or losing our apartment or anything (we struggle paycheck to paycheck,) to alleviate their fears first. Then we led in with hints and clues to get them thinking about the issue, like peculiarities about my personality, how my wife is the more dominant one in our relationship, and reminding them of the Caitlyn Jenner thing. It clicked and my daughter figured it out. Had to give my son the answer to the riddle, lol. I then tearfully told them about what life for me had been like, including that analogy I told you about. (Daughter understood instantly, love her to death.) I then showed them a pic of me from 11 years prior, during my first attempt at transition, asked them what they thought, and explained why we stopped and waited so long, which was mostly for their sakes. We let them ask questions, nothing was off limits. They asked about GRS, so we told them the basics of what happens. Naturally daughter was wowed and son instantly moved to cover his groin. Once they ran out of curiosities we asked each how they felt about it, letting them know that any response, including a negative one was ok, as long as it was the truth. Daughter replied first, saying she thinks its kinda cool, and that if nothing else there will be one more member of the family on "team girl," then turned to her brother and said "sorry, you're kinda outnumbered now." He just laughed and said ok, then said that it doesn't bother him, whatever makes us happy. They asked how they should refer to me. We went with practicality and safety first. We said to make things easier on them they could either call me Jenny or mommy Jenny to avoid confusion, but that until I was full time again, we had to go with daddy outside the house for safety. (We live in a bad neighborhood.) We had them just basically go by how I was dressed, male reference in drab, and vice versa.

    Initially things were kinda awkward between us, especially when it came to hugs. Our daughter adjusted first, son came around later, but then pubescent boys often start to avoid mom hugs. No issues with affection now, I'm happy to report.

    In May I received the first gift that actually made me cry, and cry hard. Without suggestion or provocation on May 14th my daughter came up to me and said Happy Mother's day, and gave me the biggest hug. Her brother followed suit. Now that I'm basically full time, and there are no more "daddy" references, things between the four of us are pretty good. Heck, even though he doesn't really care for it as it's kinda the opposite of dinosaurs and cars, my son will occasionally watch My Little Pony with me to spend time together. Going together with my daughter to the mall and salon on a "Mother Daughter Day," was glorious. We both got highlights and trims, she got her first professional bra fitting at Victoria's Secret, got her ears pierced at Claires, and then we power shopped. ;) As I'm currently in the stay at home mom and housewife role (which I love,) it's helped to normalize the transition for them. They get to see the real me. They love the fact that I'm happier and less short tempered, and have affirmed that if it was their decision, they'd rather have this me than the old grumpy one.

    I had spent close to 12 years agonizing about how they'd take it, whether it would put up walls, and whether it would affect them negatively growing up. We've had them talk to a therapist twice now, once last June, and again last month, to make sure there aren't any issues that they are too apprehensive to tell us. No problems there either. Now to them, we're just a happy family and they have two Mom's, one of whom has led a rather unique life. In short, family members that truly love and care for you, will often surprise you at just how supportive they are and how truly unconditional love can be. All those years of agony and anxiety, and it ended up being no big deal. Bari Jo, I hope your reveal with your sister, and your relationship afterwords goes just as successfully. I'm here if you need me.

HUGS!
"Don't be fooled by the rocks that I got. I'm still, I'm still Jenny from the block."
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