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Started by Dave143, October 14, 2017, 02:49:02 PM

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Dave143

Hi everyone,

I'm a 25 years old man and I've been in and out of therapy since I was about 10 for depression, suicidal toughts and attempts and self-mutilation. A few year ago, I've been diagnosed with bipolar disorder and I manage functioning in life with help of anti-psychotics and occasional alcohol abuse.

In my last session with my psychiatrist, I kinda told him out of the blue that I was considering transitioning to a woman. He was surprised at first (I never told him anything about it before) but seemed to actually think that it was an interesting idea and he seemed to believe that some of my psychological distress might come from there. He told me to seriously think before deciding to start the process of hormone replacement therapy.
So here I am, thinking about it. The thing is, my story isn't the typical transgender story of a boy who felt since childhood that he was born in the wrong body. It's much more complicated and ambivalent than that (on the other hand, when is it really simple ?) and I was hoping some of you here could tell me if they relate to my story and help me decide if this life changing decision is the right one.

I don't recall having much distress as a child about my native gender. I don't think I expressed the need to wear women clothes as a kid or things like that. On the other hand, I don't remember much about my childhood as I've blocked most of it away after my first depression episode. I remember being bullied a lot at school and some of it certainly was about not fitting it as a boy. I wasn't much into sport, was terrorized about fighting back when the other boys were hitting me and I've always felt closer to girl. On the other hand, I was deeply passionate about video games and liked playing with typical boy toys such as action men, army helicopters etc. Even today, I can't really relate to other males. I feel like at the end, all male talk really ends up about sports, cars and girls, the two first subject being incredibly boring to me and I really don't feel confortable talking about women as objects so that's that.

Now, diging a little deeper, I recall expressing some transgender typical traits that I had shoved with the rest deep into my memory. When I was about 12, I did from time to time put on my sister's clothes. I did not know why i did it (I'm still not sure why) and I was deeply ashamed of it, which explains why I'd forgotten about it until recently. I also recall that at a certain age, I got really fat and at some level, it made me happy to fantasize that I was getting women boobs. Playing with my sister, I also liked impersonating female characters in our games. But it's really in online role playing games that I liked most impersonating women. I liked the way that it changed how other people would talk to me, I could have deep conversations with guy about their feelings and stuff.

Clearly, I don't think I have ever identified as a women in the wrong body, but I've felt since I was about 15 like a boy who really wanted to be a women and have tought lots of times about killing myself because, really, what point is there to live If I never can be what I want to be. I'm also really emotional and empathic to the point that it's embarrassing. I can often feel a big urge to cry because someone is sad on the TV or because of people fighting around me, but it's difficult to separate this from my bipolar disorder that also comes with mood swings.
When it comes to sexual orientation, here's another nugget of confusion. There are women I'm attracted to, and there are women that I find really beautyfull and I'd would like to look like them instead of having sex with them. There are also often guys that I find attractive and charming, but in a weird way, I don't really feel any sexual urge towards them, and gay porn has never aroused me. I did have sex with a boy when I was 18, but it never felt the same as having sex with girls. It was interesting, at most. I really feel like I could be attracted to men, but only if I were a woman. I know that's cliché and some would say that I'm a gay or bi man trying to fool himself but I really think it's not the case. I know some people's sexual orientation change when on hormones and most don't, so I'm not sure what to expect about it.

So, about a few months ago, I've started thinking about transitioning. Why not before? Well, I'm quite ashamed to say how little I knew about the process. I tought that transwomen were basically such as depicted in satiric TV shows, men with breast implants and lots of makeup that live their whole life as monsters and social parias, and I was convinced that I'd rather be unhappy my whole life or kill myself than this. One day, I read about Sasha Hostyn, a transgender professional gamer and was amazed looking at her. I tought she was beautiful and would have never suspected meeting her that she used to be a guy. So I started reading about the subject, watching youtube transwomen and learning about the whole process of hormone therapy, how it reshapes your body in a feminine way and for the first time in my life, I really considered that it might be a step to a happier life. I also bought some makeup and nail polish just to try it (I've also been living alone for the first time in my life for a while so I don't have to be afraid about someone stepping onto me) and found that seeing a more feminine version of myself makes me feel better and less repugnant (I've always hated looking at myself in the mirror).

So, here I am now, with a lot of questions, wandering if transitioning is something I have to do or if it would be a huge mistake. Some days, I feel like I absolutely need to do it and can't wait to start HRT. It makes me feel more optimistic about the future (as opposed to the suicidal toughts I usually have). I've also started growing my hair and lost a lot of weight to get closer to a women's body mass. Other days, I tell myself that I'm just delusional, that I'd never could pass as a decent girl  and that suicide would really be my only choice if things go wrong. Those are also the joy of being bipolar and it's really hard to separate sensible life decisions from those induced by humor fluctuations.

Of course, I also have the same fears as most men considering transition. I don't have a very masculine face but it's not as feminine as it used to be until I got 18. I'm pretty big and although I have tiny women hands, I also have ridiculously large feet. What would my coworkers think, my family. What about the voice? I'm a trained singer with a large vocal range, so I believe it wouldn't be too hard to obtain a more feminine voice, but on the other hand I probably wouldn't be able to sing on stage anymore. And most importantly, how do you learn to act and live as a women when you've been a guy for 25 years.

So, I hope I didn't bore you to death with my story (I didn't realize it would be that long). I also hope I won't offend anyone if you believe that my confusion is the result of my bipolar brain just not knowing what's right for me. I was just wondering if people here have had the same kind of experience, and if transition ended up being the right choice for them.

I thank in advance anyone having the courage to read through all of this and hope i havn't made too much mistakes as english is not my native language.
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Megan.

Hi, welcome and thank you for sharing your story [emoji5].
You seem to be taking the right steps. You've got a therapist to help you talk through these feelings (do they have expertise in this area?).
There is no timetable to this,  experimenting (as you're doing) with your presentation and then evaluating how you feel about those changes is a good way to proceed.
A full transition is not mandatory,  you may find a more non-binary presentation fits you,  or that may lead you further across the spectrum.
I'm 40 MTF and started living full-time in a female role 5 months ago,  I work in IT for a big blue-chip employer,  my life is not exotic or unusual,  it's remarkably 'normal' in most respects.
Passing well as a female does certainly take time and effort, voice being one thing that takes work,  but your training could help.
We're here to answer questions,  and there is a lot of knowledge to be found in previous posts.
Good luck in your exploration. X

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Dena

Welcome to Susan's Place. The story you told is much like that of many on the site. There isn't a single thing that says you are transgender or that you should transition. It's a combination of multiple things however the most important part is how you feel about it. The most important lesson you will learn is it's not how you look but how you feel about yourself. I experienced near constant depression before my transition. After my transition the depression never returned and I am comfortable in life. Do I pass, not always but it's far from the most important thing in my life. There are two links you might want to review. The first is our WIKI where transgender is defined. The second is "the transition channel" where you will be able to explore your feelings in more detail. Ask any questions you have and we will do our best to answer them.

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First, welcome to the site! I hope you get as much as I have out of it!

Quote from: Dave143 on October 14, 2017, 02:49:02 PM
Clearly, I don't think I have ever identified as a women in the wrong body, but I've felt since I was about 15 like a boy who really wanted to be a women

Unfortunately, the common narrative of the "girl trapped in a boy's body" has done a number on many of us. So many diverse experiences have been reduced to that one cliche (which isn't to say that it is not 100% true for some people), that it has the tendency to make those of us who didn't consciously encapsulate that thought fail to recognize ourselves.

I think this is often the case because it is difficult to really say "this is what it feels like to be a girl" and "this is what it feels like to be a guy" (or for that matter, "this is what it feels like to be neither/both"). Maybe you and I both actually did feel like a girl in the wrong body at that age, but how on earth would we have any point of reference to definitively state that? We only knew what we knew, and couldn't compare our internal experience with boys or girls.

And like you, I never identified as a girl in a boy's body, but I knew, I absolutely positively knew, that I wanted to be a girl. Desperately from the bottom of my soul, I would pray to wake up with a girl's body. I had outright insane rituals that I would perform, convinced they would somehow grant my wish.

I'm still not at the point I feel qualified to offer original thoughts on the greater issues, but I will offer a summary of what other far more experienced people have told me:

Whether transition is the right choice for you or not, only you can decide. But also remember, just as there is not one narrative for being transgender, there is no one single path to follow for transition either. Certainly there are common ones, but what works for one person may not work for another. I've chosen to forge ahead and start HRT as soon as logistically possible, and hopefully transition socially as well, but I don't know if I will ever have SRS. Some have surgeries but don't transition socially. Some transition socially but never do either HRT or surgeries. Some people just find ways to have minor feminine (or masculine for ftm) expressions here and there, and that's all they wind up needing. Expression doesn't even necessarily have to take a strictly feminine binary form, such as doing something even many strictly cis-men do such as body hair removal. The important thing is that whatever you do, it is what you want and feel is appropriate for you.

And as Megan said, there isn't really a timetable, at least not past puberty. Sometimes I've felt a bit like I'm on a runaway train, at times moving far too fast... but then 99% of the time I feel that is where I want to be. You might prefer to take your time and spend years exploring your options. Again, it is all about what you want and what you need!

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I really feel like I could be attracted to men, but only if I were a woman. I know that's cliché and some would say that I'm a gay or bi man trying to fool himself but I really think it's not the case. I know some people's sexual orientation change when on hormones and most don't, so I'm not sure what to expect about it.

This is my feeling as well, and I've seen a few people say the same. I find women attractive, and I find men attractive, but I've never had a desire to be with a man as a man myself. So I liked men, but I knew I wasn't gay. It was definitely confusing to say the least. But the idea of being with a man as a woman? Now that sounds great to me. (Even with women, while I don't mind the idea of being with a woman as a man, I certainly prefer the idea of being with a woman as a woman.)
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Allie24

Well I can't say for certain whether transition is or is not right for you (that's something you must settle within yourself). But I do recommend perhaps experimenting with male femininity. You mention how you don't relate with the stereotypical "macho" behaviors of men, but there is an entire world inhabited by men that are the opposite of what you describe. Perhaps spending some time with feminine men will help you better understand yourself. Basing one's decision to transition on stereotypes alone is a bit of a risk, since there are many males and females who are perfectly happy being gender non-conforming and not transitioning.

Just take everything one step at a time. Express the feminine side of yourself that you have repressed and don't worry about cramming yourself in the "woman-box" just yet. If you continue to feel any distress regarding your physical body, or your hormones, or genitalia, then perhaps it would be wise to reconsider your options.
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Dave143

Hi,

Thanks for your messages, it actually helps a lot.
My therapist told me to get in contact with the local transgender association where i live and maybe try to attend to a support group to hear from actual transgender people. I sent an e-mail from there web a week ago and so far, no answer, maybe their contact form is broken or something (I work in web developpement, i see that a lot).

One thing that surprised me was well, how unsurprised my therapist was when i told him the news. I tought he'd at least try a little to talk me out of it, so i dunno, maybe i am giving away some feminine vibe i'm not aware of.

I plan to come out to my best male friend next week. He's bi and quite invested in LGBT rights, i hope he'll be able to tell me if he senses this kind of thing in my personnality. Then only other person i told this about is one of my ex girlfriends and she was just like "Meh, just do what feels right to you", which isn't much help  ;D

When it comes to the time table, sure, in theory there is no rush (except for a start of male pattern boldness that doesn't seem to evolve much since i started propecia at age 18 but still, i don't want to give it a chance to strike back) but i really feel like i've gone as far as i can with old Dave and suicidal thoughts and acts are always just a step away. Since my brake up with my ex a few years ago, i simply don't see a future for myself. I don't feel the need to get involved with anyone new, buy a house, start a familly, etc. I just work, play a lot of music some video games (that are starting to bore me) and end up with a half bottle of Tequila in my body 2-3 times a week thinking i should just get it over with.

QuoteYou mention how you don't relate with the stereotypical "macho" behaviors of men, but there is an entire world inhabited by men that are the opposite of what you describe.

Actually, most men I interact with on a daily basis are not like that at all. I mean yeah they love their cars, talking about the last football match and comment on the boobs of the girl in the latest youtube video that's been passing around the office, but i'd never call them machos. They are just, well, men acting like men, as society exepect them to act.
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Megan.

Re.  The baldness I use finasteride (propecia)  and regain  foam. I also had hair transplants 18 months ago,  several here have done this.
I never felt I fit in to the male narrative either,  it was never comfortable,  like wearing shoes on the wrong feet.

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Bari Jo

Hi Dave feel good about yourself that you are brave enough to have these conversations.  Having a therapist can really help you sort what's important for you too.  I can't tell you if you would be happier one way or another as that will require a lot of soul searching, experimentation on your side, etc.  I can advise on experience though.  Trying to fit in wore on me, made me feel like a fraud a lot.  Then because I continued doing it, made me feel like I was a terrible person not worthy of anyone's love, respect, etc.  I tried to fit in far too long before finding my way and it cost me.  For you taking control, reaching out, having a therapist is only a good thing.  i wouldn't be hasty with any decision right now too.  I know it's tempting to want to choose a direction quickly at this point just to get away from the state you are in.  Like others have said, experiment, talk with your therapist about it.  You are testing yourself, and there are no wrong answers, only answers.  Those answers can inform better questions, better answers etc.

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11/6/17 - came out to sister, best day of my life
9/5/17 - formal diagnosis and stopping DIY in favor if prescribed HRT
6/18/17 - decided to stop fighting the trans beast, back on DIY.
Too many ups and downs, DIY, purges of self inbetween dates.
Age 10 - suppression and denial began
Age 8 - knew I was different
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KathyLauren

Hi, Dave and welcome.
Quote from: Dave143 on October 14, 2017, 02:49:02 PMThe thing is, my story isn't the typical transgender story of a boy who felt since childhood that he was born in the wrong body.
That isn't the typical transgender story anyway.  The typical transgender story is more like what you describe: figuring it out slowly in adulthood from remembered clues and vague but insistent urges.  It took me until I was in my 60s to drop the denial.

You are going about it the right way.  If your psychiatrist does not have expertise in the field of gender, you might want to get him to refer you to a trained gender therapist.  Take your time and pay attention to how you feel.  Talk to  your therapist about what you do and what you feel.  You might be trans, or you might not.  Only you can decide.

Good luck!
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Allison S

I was in therapy for a while. Always in denial and baffled by why I don't fit in, feel weird and out of place.  Now at 27 I realize I didn't have to fit in with any group or people, I just need to be comfortable in my own identity. 

I grew up with 4 older sisters and I envied them but I always loved myself still. It's when I started to dress, wear make up and wigs that I realized this is something completely different than what I ever imagined.  After that I did "permanent" (what I paid for at least) hair removal and this process also made me feel so empowered.

The next step for me was obvious and clear.  That's why I started medically transitioning with HRT. With GRS someday I can finally be in the body that fits with how I feel and how I've always felt.

I'm still living the life I always have as "male" and some of my friends know I'm on HRT. It's still not clear where I'm going with this decision though and I'm not comfortable saying an end result when I don't know what that will be or look like.  Lately I've been depressed because of this but I know that I need to be patient.  I'm doing the best I can with what I have right now.
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Charlie Nicki

If there's something I can offer to this thread besides all the great responses you already got is that it can really make you feel A LOT of pressure if you have this mental image of being a perfect passable cisgender woman because that's how you end up thinking "oh no my feet are too big, my body will not fit in this mold, my voice won't either". When you actually start making small steps towards a transition (whatever those are) you will realize that this is a long journey of self discovery, and that there are a lot more options in the spectrum than being Miss USA or Mr. Macho Man.


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Dave143

QuoteIf your psychiatrist does not have expertise in the field of gender, you might want to get him to refer you to a trained gender therapist.

Yes, that is the plan. I see my current therapist for my bipolar disorder as we still havn't figured out a 100% satisfactory treatment for my mood swings, he has little experience with that kind of things.

QuoteIf there's something I can offer to this thread besides all the great responses you already got is that it can really make you feel A LOT of pressure if you have this mental image of being a perfect passable cisgender woman because that's how you end up thinking

Of course, i was merely caricaturing the tought process. But i do have a destructive tendancy to want to be perfect at anything, wheter it's my muscical skills, languages mastery, professional skills or even my body as a man so i can tell that this will definitivly be an issue i'll have to face  ;D
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Charlie Nicki

Quote from: Dave143 on October 15, 2017, 01:24:13 PM
But i do have a destructive tendancy to want to be perfect at anything, wheter it's my muscical skills, languages mastery, professional skills or even my body as a man so i can tell that this will definitivly be an issue i'll have to face  ;D

Oh I understand that. My advice comes from my own experience: I'm still early in the process, almost 3 months on HRT, 6 months on therapy and living as a guy still. But I was putting SO much pressure on myself to be this beautiful woman by the time I turn 30 (which is in 9 months). Had the same thoughts you are having. I didn't realize how much that was draining my energy as well and stressing me cuz I set a date for myself to be gorgeous and be fully out to the world, it's almost like leaving the cage of being a man just to enter another cage to make myself fit the mold of a perfect woman and follow society's expectations (of what a woman is) again. Screw that. I'm going at my own pace now, and not rushing. I'll just do what feels good, step by step. There's no rush, I want this to be as smooth as possible.
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zirconia

Hi Dave

Your post made me think.

"A girl trapped in a male body" is a very catchy phrase. However, to me personally it also feels a bit too facile to use as a defining criterion. I don't know what that's supposed to feel like—it just feels so abstract.

When I was little I was told that I was a boy. The base of all my beliefs at the time was that parents and other adults knew everything, and if they told me something that must be the truth. Thus I accepted what I was told.

That didn't mean that I liked being what I was told, though. (I dimly remember feeling unhappy when I was taught to pee standing up, and clearly remember the distress I felt when my parents first bought me boys' underpants when I was four—I absolutely abhorred the front design when they told me its purpose.)

I'm me. I've always been me. I have always wanted to be a girl. However, since I accepted I was a boy all I could do was dream of some unknown magic that might change me to a girl. The distress was not all-consuming—just a discomfort that nagged at the edges of my consciousness. The most distasteful thing to me about it was that boys grew up to be men. Being a child was acceptable. I definitely did not want to become a man.

I only began to seriously think a change was possible after I found out people who had become women existed. I never had a "rebellious phase," so it took a few major shocks, disappointments and heartbreak after starting to live alone for me to actually do something to take me to that direction.

I guess that what I want to say is that the very independent thinkers and the rebellious probably find it easier to assert what they feel even when they're little. I was a fairly easy child, so I didn't.

I did feel off. Looking back, the discomfort is pretty obvious to me. However, having no reference I thought that was normal. Onlookers would probably have to have been very observant to see how I felt. Some people may meet others who feel alike or been through the same and take action sooner. Many won't.

That timing and form of the realization doesn't change what lies underneath. If it is there, it does—it exists. If not, it most likely is not even a concept one can grasp.

I'm not sure whether this makes sense or applies to you, but it's the best I can explain what I myself felt. Anyway, I hope it is of some help.
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CarlyMcx

Quote from: zirconia on October 15, 2017, 09:16:00 PM
Hi Dave

Your post made me think.

"A girl trapped in a male body" is a very catchy phrase. However, to me personally it also feels a bit too facile to use as a defining criterion. I don't know what that's supposed to feel like—it just feels so abstract.

When I was little I was told that I was a boy. The base of all my beliefs at the time was that parents and other adults knew everything, and if they told me something that must be the truth. Thus I accepted what I was told.

That didn't mean that I liked being what I was told, though. (I dimly remember feeling unhappy when I was taught to pee standing up, and clearly remember the distress I felt when my parents first bought me boys' underpants when I was four—I absolutely abhorred the front design when they told me its purpose.)

I'm me. I've always been me. I have always wanted to be a girl. However, since I accepted I was a boy all I could do was dream of some unknown magic that might change me to a girl. The distress was not all-consuming—just a discomfort that nagged at the edges of my consciousness. The most distasteful thing to me about it was that boys grew up to be men. Being a child was acceptable. I definitely did not want to become a man.

I only began to seriously think a change was possible after I found out people who had become women existed. I never had a "rebellious phase," so it took a few major shocks, disappointments and heartbreak after starting to live alone for me to actually do something to take me to that direction.

I guess that what I want to say is that the very independent thinkers and the rebellious probably find it easier to assert what they feel even when they're little. I was a fairly easy child, so I didn't.

I did feel off. Looking back, the discomfort is pretty obvious to me. However, having no reference I thought that was normal. Onlookers would probably have to have been very observant to see how I felt. Some people may meet others who feel alike or been through the same and take action sooner. Many won't.

That timing and form of the realization doesn't change what lies underneath. If it is there, it does—it exists. If not, it most likely is not even a concept one can grasp.

I'm not sure whether this makes sense or applies to you, but it's the best I can explain what I myself felt. Anyway, I hope it is of some help.

That.  My narrative was very similar, except that when I was seven years old (in 1970) I told my parents I wanted to be a girl.  That did not go over too well, and earned me a stern lecture from Dad about how I was a boy and I had to be a boy and I had to look, act and dress like one.  And I had Dad all over me about my love life since I was fourteen.  I think he wanted to make extra sure I wasn't gay.
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Dave143

QuoteI'm not sure whether this makes sense or applies to you, but it's the best I can explain what I myself felt. Anyway, I hope it is of some help.

I honestly can't say. I remember very little of my childhood or even my teens except for being beaten up a lot, especially in gym class. But i can't remember how i felt about it, what made want to kill myself etc. My psychiatrist wanted me to try that EMDR thingy (kind of a mix of cognitive behavioral therapy and hypnosis) that's supposed to make you relive that kind of things but it sounds like a bad idea to me  ???
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Quote from: Dave143 on October 16, 2017, 10:19:43 AM
I honestly can't say. I remember very little of my childhood or even my teens except for being beaten up a lot, especially in gym class. But i can't remember how i felt about it, what made want to kill myself etc. My psychiatrist wanted me to try that EMDR thingy (kind of a mix of cognitive behavioral therapy and hypnosis) that's supposed to make you relive that kind of things but it sounds like a bad idea to me  ???

If done properly, reliving trauma can be one of the best ways to deal with it. For example, virtual realty therapy has become a huge success story, even with extreme situations such for Veterans with combat PTSD. Of course it varies case by case, and will heavily depend on your psychiatrist being good at his job and trained properly in the technique employed (primarily so he doesn't lead you into creating false memories, this has been a big issue in the past with recovering supposedly repressed memories). Ultimately it is one of those things which only you can decide if is right for you, but it is at least worth research and consideration.
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6/23/18 - FIRST PRIDE!
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Dave143

My collegues had a discussion at work today about a transgender co-worker, i don't know the whole story but he apparently had to leave the place. Then they told that it must be hard to stay in the same workplace after something like that. Made me feel kinda sad, then again, i dont think people can actually know how they would react until they have to face those facts. The other person was in a whole other service anyone, we're a over a thousand people company with mostly does industry but i work in IT. I don't think my collegue reaction is going to affect my choice anyway but it would of course be easier to believe they might accept it.
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Quote from: Dave143 on October 18, 2017, 09:25:46 AM
My collegues had a discussion at work today about a transgender co-worker, i don't know the whole story but he apparently had to leave the place. Then they told that it must be hard to stay in the same workplace after something like that. Made me feel kinda sad, then again, i dont think people can actually know how they would react until they have to face those facts. The other person was in a whole other service anyone, we're a over a thousand people company with mostly does industry but i work in IT. I don't think my collegue reaction is going to affect my choice anyway but it would of course be easier to believe they might accept it.

I'm in IT as well, though mostly work by myself when I do work (back in school right now), but I feel that, purely anecdotally, in general it is one of the better fields to be in. The people drawn to the tech fields in general are the type that are typically more accepting of stuff like this. Most people I know at least tend to skew socially liberal (in the South where I am this means a high libertarian presence, live and let live mindset) and tend not to get caught up in the usual "uber-macho" cliches on account of being mostly self proclaimed nerds. ;D
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Dave143

So i came out to my best (well pretty much only) friend today. He was very supportive like i expected and even asked me if i wanted him to address me like a woman to see how i'd feel about that, but i think i'd find that pretty weird ;D

So, i'm seeing my psychiatrist again next month and i'm pretty sure i'm gonna ask to make an appointment with a specialist on the subject. I'm feel quite confident than once this becomes a real thing and not some kind of fantasy, then i'll know if it's what i really want.

I thank you all for your great advices and comments and i'll post updates from time to time when there's something new  :)
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