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IQ says i am not bright, actually says I am 'BR' is it legit?

Started by SailorMars1994, October 22, 2017, 10:14:59 AM

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    A lot of people forget that IQ is an anagram of Intelligence Quotient and forget what the term means and how it is defined. The definition of the word intelligence itself is also of importance. IQ is a ratio of your individual score on a standardized test relative to scores by others your own age multiplied by 100, and as such a score of 100 is the average. Intelligence is defined as the ability to acquire knowledge and/or skills and how well they can be applied. AKA how easily and quickly can you both learn new things and how easily and quickly can you apply them once learned. Total knowledge acquired and its application (wisdom/memory) is irrelevant when discussing intelligence. The speed with which one answers questions or solves problems is often an overlooked part of more official tests. Those with a lower intelligence but higher memory can perform just as well in life as the other way around, they just often take longer to learn things, (more time studying) but can often remember them better. Broad spectrum analysis versus focused specialization must also be taken into account. AKA savants that are only good at learning a particular subject versus those that learn all subjects well. Allowances must also be given for those that can learn quickly, but have some disconnect when it is time to use that knowledge, for example those that never test well but can perform related tasks perfectly. Racial and cultural demographics must also be taken into account, which is extremely difficult in "Official" standardized testing. What is common knowledge for one group, may not be for another, such as spacial mechanics or semantics. As someone else alluded to, personal biases of the test creators and proctors also factors in. Many times, though not always, there is a demographic bias. This is why professional organizations, such as Mensa, often encourage those interested in a truer score to take multiple different sanctioned tests and then use the mean average. It is nearly impossible for any specific single test to take all these factors into account.

    Online tests are rarely graded on a time quotient, making them useless on this facet alone. They also rarely use an algorithm to compare the age of a test taker to that of all previous test takers so that their "score" is only judged relative to others of equivalent age. The also rarely take demographics of test takers into account. Doing so accurately would require a lot of time and money investment, as well as a starting pool before any scores are possible, due to IQ itself being merely an average ratio. Spacial mechanics skills, such as solving a Rubik's cube, are also nearly impossible to test online. Until we see an all inclusive test that takes all of this into account and from a reliable source, such as Mensa or its affiliates, none of the online tests are anything other than an ego booster or destroyer. Such a test would take numerous hours to complete, and the results would be given in terms of age category and demographics, such as compared to all U.S. born and raised Caucasian test takers from the Midwest that did not grow up in poverty aged between 25 and 30, and other relative distinctions, the tests are meaningless.

    To the OP, if you like taking online "IQ" tests, there is nothing wrong with that. Just keep the points I discussed in mind and don't get too ecstatic about a single "great" score or depressed about a single "bad one." If it was a short test that only took a few minutes, the results were processed instantaneously, or there was no or a very short demographics questionnaire,  disregard it entirely. If you find that after taking numerous tests that you usually do well above average and are truly that curious, then I would suggest looking into taking official ones. Even so, as stated previously, any one specific test is inconclusive at best regarding being a true representation of how intelligent you may or may not be.

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SailorMars1994

Quote from: MaryT on October 25, 2017, 08:55:42 AM
I don't know you well enough to know whether you are a genius, but as Jessica Lynne wrote, you are obviously bright and articulate.  An actual IQ in the high 90s would imply slightly below average, but even from your posts I am sure that your intelligence is at least above average.

And yes, you have generated an interesting and popular topic.

Maybe I had a lobotmy recently and forgot :O .... maybe i need one. jk


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Kylo

Quote from: Tamika Olivia on October 25, 2017, 06:07:24 AM
I'm not sure if you are getting all of our news, but the alt right isn't some small thing in the US.

I am aware of much of the news concerning these people lately in the US. If you want to avoid strengthening them then please be aware that the current climate in which so many things are deemed racist and the blame being placed perpetually on whites is only empowering them - by proving their point that there are people out to get them. If you're wondering why the right as a whole is rising again, it is precisely because increasing numbers of regular people have found themselves affected by the current trend of divisive identity politics which has been pushed hardest of all by the left. Non-racist people being called intrinsically privileged and racist constantly in the media and progressive circles, when in reality and practicality they are not... non-whites being allowed to make racist statements towards whites online rarely being punished while whites doing the same thing are prosecuted or punished via censure, and double standards in terms of who is allowed to say and do what and get away with it. These are contributing severely to the problem and are needless to say racist and unfair in their own way. Those who encourage this would do well to stop, or they will make the Alt Right into the next series of governments, I fear. 

QuoteIt's a major political force, and white nationalists routinely influence elections, commit hate crimes, and have violent meet ups.

Yes they do. And so do their ideological opponents. There are people on the left dressing in black and torching town centers, attacking people and destroying private property, and having meetups that invariably descend into violence, or are organized for the express purpose of preventing others from meeting up and causing violence to them. Both are despicable. Both are a rising force. Both need to be mitigated.

QuoteBut more insidiously, these beliefs, while they may not be stated out loud, sink their claws into American policy and discourse.

Beliefs? Are they just beliefs or are they using actual studies? Because apparently the "trump card" some of these people like to wave is apparent scientific evidence that race and IQ are correlated, which is the basis of their supposed "realism". Ironically enough, these people can be easily chagrined when these same studies reveal the highest IQs to apparently reside in the Jewish and East Asian demographics, not the "white race".

QuoteAs for these beliefs causing lower performance, I'm saying that being exposed to these beliefs, in a lab setting, can lower performance. A member of X group reads an article about how X group does worse on a test, and then takes the test, will do slightly worse than a member of X that does not read the article, or a member of group Y who reads the article.

Yes, I'm aware of the phenomenon. However, what is the cure? Attempt to control every piece of public discourse out there (impossible) so that nobody anywhere will ever read or hear something that might injure their confidence, or attempt to bolster students confidence at the school and home level with better teaching? This isn't racism, this is found in other studies quite apart from race, and it ought to be the person who is vulnerable to suggestion getting the sort of bolstering and teaching that will make them less susceptible to that suggestion. As we have seen already with attempts to rectify this problem with women vs men, the way you fix it isn't to create safe spaces but to train the vulnerable harder in achievement and with better quality mentoring and a better can-do attitude.

QuoteOn the cultural bias portion, I'm running out of time before work. It's a subject that is a matter of much discussion, and I probably can't do it justice if I'm in a hurry. If you're curious, you can look up the subtle ways that these tests are slightly biased, and how those slight biases can impact scores and future success.

I don't doubt subtle biases exist but is it even possible to eliminate all bias at all times that impact performance?

"If the freedom of speech is taken away, then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter."
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Tamika Olivia

I think we've exhausted all potential from this conversation. Good bye.

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