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Lip Lift scars - how visible are they? Anyone has photos? Alternatives?

Started by anjaq, October 31, 2017, 05:32:54 AM

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AnonyMs

Quote from: NamelessOne on November 01, 2017, 06:50:01 PM
best to avoid it then, I don't want to be one to cause problems for someone else. I'll keep my opinions to myself from now on.

If we all did that these forums would be empty.

Who knows, someone may post something showing we're all wrong. Best to have open discussion.
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Mandy M

I think Bio Oil is pretty impressive. It really helped with my facial surgery scars. Easy to find it on google but here's one example link. If you click on ingredients you'll see that it includes Vitamins A and E, as well as other oils:

https://www.biooilhealth.com/About/About-Bio-Oil
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anjaq

Ok, I guess then stick with either nothing at all or maybe silicone for the first half year and then if the scars are ugly, one can try to make them better with Vitamin E, BiOil or later with laser or dermabrasion or microneedling - but basically all of these methods should only be used after several months, yes?
During the scar formation, basically not much can or should be done to influence it because it is just not well enough understood to really manage to steer it into one or another direction.

So it comes down to having good luck in the first months to have a minimal scar formation and if not, one has a few options to make it better. My problem is, that I apparently dont have much luck, usually, so I can try and treat the scars I already have, I doubt much can be done there to make them worse, but my initial question was more about if I can somehow risk getting a lip lift and avoid getting a scar from it with other means than having good luck with my scars this time. I am aware that if it does not go so well, there are various things one can try to minimize the scars once they are there, but I would like to try and avoid getting them in the first place.

My impression now is, that its not possible to ensure this - it depends on my body and on good luck, knowing my body, I dont see I can avoid a lip lift scar that is visible, so I cannot get a lip lift unless I accept getting a visible scar that may or may not later on react to various scar healing treatments.

So I probably cannot get a lip lift, which is why I also asked for alternatives - can fillers or a V-Y lip plasty help something instead?

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Ellement_of_Freedom

I think some surgeons are very talented at hiding the lip lift scar, so I wouldn't rule it out.


FFS: Dr Noorman van der Dussen, August 2018 (Belgium)
SRS: Dr Suporn, January 2019 (Thailand)
VFS: Dr Thomas, May 2019 (USA)
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anjaq

Which surgeons would that be and how to make sure that it can work?

As I probably said, I had one surgeon looking in person and close up at my nose and lip and he said its is not really possible to hide the scar well. I am not sure why that is exactly. So I would need someone who can do cases that otherwise are too hard to do? I wanted to see some pictures to see if anyone has a similar nose and lip as I have and it was still well hidden, as well as seeing how well it can be hidden in the cases that are considered easier. Basically I want to know what the most likely outcome would be.

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flytrap

I have  a 3 1/2" scar on my cheek running from just below the corner of my eye to my jaw from cancer surgery. Derma rolling made a HUGE difference. I was sure I was going to have to have plastic surgery. A year later you have to look real year hard to see it. My surgeon was amazed at how much my Derma rolling had helped the healing!
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anjaq

Yes - some people make amazing scar recoveries. I have seen lip lift photos on realself (of course sort of promotional photos) where no scar is visible at all. I am envious of the results. But I also know that some people have clearly visible scarring from various procedures or surgeries - so its not something one ca assume to happen - a good scar healing

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anjaq

How much of the scarring from a lip lift is in the skill of the surgeon, how much is patient aftercare (not smiling, using creams,...) and how much is basically luck, the patients body, etc?

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EmmaD

Hi Everyone,  What an interesting question because I don't think about my lip lift scar at all.  I have enough imperfections (at 55) that the lip lift scar doesn't really get a look in!  From about 2 feet away, it really isn't visible.  Very close it is easily seen and if I stretch the skin by pulling my top lip down, it is a very visible white line, not very straight! 

My lip lift was done 3 years ago and isn't perfectly even because I had a mole removed at the same time and that caused one side to get lifted a tiny bit more than the other.  Dr Cardenas had a debate in theatre about whether or not the mole added anything aesthetically and the once the vote was in, the mole lost!  It took me 3 days to notice!  I can't recall any particular surgeon having a reputation for really good lip lifts (or having had really bad outcomes). Maybe just talk to the leading surgeons.  They should all be very good at it.

If I want to cover my scar up a bit, a swipe with concealer and maybe BB cream or powder over the top and I am done.  I work more on the black bags under my eyes!!  I have some sun damage too so the lip lift is a minor thing.  All that Kiwi and Aussie sun when I was growing up.

A final note, my Rhinoplasty was done at the same time.  That may have caused the less than perfect line but who knows.  The fat injections in my lips might have interfered too.  Take those variables away and I may have had a perfect result.  I am, however far from perfect and that is just fine with me.  I am not sure if I did the right thing with recovery either.  I suspect a combination of all of these things and if it could have been avoided, well that is on me!

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Mandy M

Quote from: EmmaD on November 04, 2017, 05:02:37 PM

I am, however far from perfect and that is just fine with me. 

How brilliant to read that Emma. Isn't that a sign of someone who is pretty sorted? In the cis world, women and especially young girls, are pressured into attaining ever more impossible states of alleged perfection. Trans women also have a tendency, I believe, to fall prey to this.

Being 'just fine' with ourselves is surely a sign of enlightenment?

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anjaq

Yes thats a good way to go, if one can do that. However if I manage to accept being far from perfect - why do a lip lift in the first place then. A longer lip is also an imperfection, a bit of masculinity in the face that other women also can have with age - so doing a lip lift then is trading one flaw for another, so I guess its not really worth it then - either way one has to basically reach an acceptance of having some flaws and be ok with it.

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EmmaD

Gosh, I don't think I have it that "together"!  Far from it.  Thanks though!

What I was getting at is that I accept that I won't get the perfect anything at all  Afterwards, I know I have to live with the result.  I have so many other flaws that aren't trans related that some of my trans ones are minor!  Doesn't stop me getting things done and I wasn't even planning a lip lift.  Dr Cardenas suggested it and seemed like a good idea!  It was actually the least of my concerns and as I said, I don't give it any thought.

In terms of acceptance of my flaws, that doesn't extend to my breasts any more!   In just over 2 weeks, my BA happens.  I have stopped saying I have now stopped!  I would say though that there is huge difference between the purely physical changes like FFS and those like VFS where my recovery and therapy period is at 8 months now and I am still doing voice exercises every day and intend to keep that up for at least another 4 months.  I see Dr Kim in Melbourne next week as a follow up.  It is that daily grind that wears me down!

Weigh up the options and if you still don't think it is worth it, leave it alone for now.   Things may change.
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Rachel

HRT  5-28-2013
FT   11-13-2015
FFS   9-16-2016 -Spiegel
GCS 11-15-2016 - McGinn
Hair Grafts 3-20-2017 - Cooley
Voice therapy start 3-2017 - Reene Blaker
Labiaplasty 5-15-2017 - McGinn
BA 7-12-2017 - McGinn
Hair grafts 9-25-2017 Dr.Cooley
Sataloff Cricothyroid subluxation and trachea shave12-11-2017
Dr. McGinn labiaplasty, hood repair, scar removal, graph repair and bottom of  vagina finished. urethra repositioned. 4-4-2018
Dr. Sataloff Glottoplasty 5-14-2018
Dr. McGinn vaginal in office procedure 10-22-2018
Dr. McGinn vaginal revision 2 4-3-2019 Bottom of vagina closed off, fat injected into the labia and urethra repositioned.
Dr. Thomas in 2020 FEMLAR
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anjaq

Thanks, Rachel - I cannot see any scar at all. Amazing! What type of lift was it and who did you go to?

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Colleen_definitely

Thanks from me as well Rachel, this is something I have been very curious about as I am also considering a lip lift.
As our ashes turn to dust, we shine like stars...
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Rachel

I went to Dr. Spiegel for the lip lift and other procedures. The lower blethoplasty scar is excellent and Dr. McGinn stated that the bleth was excellent. She said the forehead lowering scar was excellent too.

I have 2 tubes in May of juviderm applied by Dr. McGinn. I will do that again in May. I just had it added to my upper lip and a bit to the lines that run vertically from the nose to the lip. The lines flatten out with age. Two tubes was $900. I will go with 2 tubes next May too. Dr. McGinn said two or three applications and the juviderm remains pretty much permanent. I think It may need a touch up every few years.
HRT  5-28-2013
FT   11-13-2015
FFS   9-16-2016 -Spiegel
GCS 11-15-2016 - McGinn
Hair Grafts 3-20-2017 - Cooley
Voice therapy start 3-2017 - Reene Blaker
Labiaplasty 5-15-2017 - McGinn
BA 7-12-2017 - McGinn
Hair grafts 9-25-2017 Dr.Cooley
Sataloff Cricothyroid subluxation and trachea shave12-11-2017
Dr. McGinn labiaplasty, hood repair, scar removal, graph repair and bottom of  vagina finished. urethra repositioned. 4-4-2018
Dr. Sataloff Glottoplasty 5-14-2018
Dr. McGinn vaginal in office procedure 10-22-2018
Dr. McGinn vaginal revision 2 4-3-2019 Bottom of vagina closed off, fat injected into the labia and urethra repositioned.
Dr. Thomas in 2020 FEMLAR
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anjaq

Hmm - I never heard that Juviderm can stay permanently - but doctors claim it so patients will do it in that hope and then pay avery year to get it done again, its classified as a non permanent filler after all.

The lines from nose to lip - I am not sure which one you mean - my impression was that if there are less lines, it appears more youthful, did I understand it right that you made something to make lines more visible?

I am impressed by some lip lift scars, but I also saw some that did not go so well, from the same surgeons. So I guess its a big portion of luck. Some say, that in most cases if you look closely from a foot away or so, you will always see it.

So sadly I am still inclined not to get that procedure done with FFS, even if it surely would improve the appearance of my upper lip and feminize it, but at the price of a rather high risk of a visible scar :'(

I wish there was some procedure or some surgeon who can conistently and with high probability do a lip lift without visible scar...

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Rachel

The philtrum (Latin: philtrum, Greek: φίλτρον philtron, lit. "love charm"[2]), or medial cleft, is a vertical groove in the middle area of the upper lip, common to many mammals, extending in humans from the nasal septum to the tubercle of the upper lip. Together with a glandular rhinarium and slit-like nostrils, it is believed[by whom?] to constitute the primitive condition for mammals in general.


Facial aging is accompanied by perioral hard and soft tissue changes leading to wrinkles, folds, and loss of contour and volume of the lips. ... A 67-year-old woman with perioral fine lines and flattening of philtrum collumelas.Sep 2, 2013

Perioral rejuvenation: restoration of attractiveness in aging females by ...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3770626/
HRT  5-28-2013
FT   11-13-2015
FFS   9-16-2016 -Spiegel
GCS 11-15-2016 - McGinn
Hair Grafts 3-20-2017 - Cooley
Voice therapy start 3-2017 - Reene Blaker
Labiaplasty 5-15-2017 - McGinn
BA 7-12-2017 - McGinn
Hair grafts 9-25-2017 Dr.Cooley
Sataloff Cricothyroid subluxation and trachea shave12-11-2017
Dr. McGinn labiaplasty, hood repair, scar removal, graph repair and bottom of  vagina finished. urethra repositioned. 4-4-2018
Dr. Sataloff Glottoplasty 5-14-2018
Dr. McGinn vaginal in office procedure 10-22-2018
Dr. McGinn vaginal revision 2 4-3-2019 Bottom of vagina closed off, fat injected into the labia and urethra repositioned.
Dr. Thomas in 2020 FEMLAR
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Ellement_of_Freedom

I just got confirmation that Dr Suporn will be happy to do a lip lift for me when he does my SRS, so I think I'm gonna do it. I've heard his stitching is superb and can't find any local surgeon who does the procedure regularly. He is also doing my Trachea reduction... so that leaves my nose and forehead to worry about.


FFS: Dr Noorman van der Dussen, August 2018 (Belgium)
SRS: Dr Suporn, January 2019 (Thailand)
VFS: Dr Thomas, May 2019 (USA)
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