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That's it. I give up on dilating...

Started by apsharas, April 15, 2017, 04:31:44 AM

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apsharas

... After Breakfast. In the time I have between the earliest I can get up and the time I need to forcefully get out of home and run behind a train to work, there's no time for both.


Today is the 4 months vaginaversary, and despite most people telling me that it gets better, it does not. I had been doing two daily 60 minutes sessions, but if we add the TTD (Time To Depth), those sessions are turning into 85-90 minutes. It has gotten more painful, harder and the time it takes until I am stretched to my 6" has been going up, from an initial 5-6 minutes to 12-15. And that happens with each of the three dilators I use per session (Chett #2, Chett #3 and Soul Source #3 - green).

So I tried going back to 3x50 min sessions whenever I can afford it (weekends), and while there's much less dilation pain involved, TTD does not seem to improve. There are some odd times where it improves, but... I'm using a stopwatch running since the moment I finish lubing the first dilator. Today for 50 minutes it took me 77.

I'm out of ideas to speed up dilation. First I gave up on morning makeup, then on accesories or clothing that takes some time to wear properly. Dilation keeps eating more and more time, and the only idea I have is to stop having breakfast, pour my coffee on a commute mug and wait until I am in the train.


Sorry, this is more of a rant. I'm on the easter break and I am locked at home doing extra dilation time in hopes it gets easier...
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Dena

Possible solutions are going to bed earlier. Dilate when you wake up and have a breakfast you can eat on the run. Something like an egg sandwich wrapped in plastic or foil or fruit. You might see if you can do a dilation right after you get home and one before bed time. The spacing might not be even but it's better than nothing. Also at 4 months you might be able to eliminate the smaller dilator IF you can reach depth with the larger one. I know the dilation schedule is different for you but I was using one dilator at that point (equivalent to big orange).

While you are in the earlier stages of recovery, don't expect to have much of a life outside work and the bedroom. It gets better but as you understand, dilation is important in the early stages. I can go years without dilation now however I was careful to follow the doctors instructions for years.
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apsharas

Quote from: Dena on April 15, 2017, 11:01:40 AM
Possible solutions are going to bed earlier.

Pretty much I arrive home at 20:30 earliest, and after showering, dinner and preparing the stuff for the next day (lunch, clothes, paperwork), start dilating at 21:30 and end at 23:00 if lucky... to get up at 05:25. Unless the day magically gains an hour, all I do is dilate, commute and work.


Dilating three times a day also seems like it adds back pain. Too much bed time. It's a no-win situation, in the end. At least doing 3x on weekends makes it easier on the first days until it tightens again.


I also have to say, Chett dilators only make things harder. The Soul Source ones are much easier to fit and insert thanks to the tip shape. Problem is that they are so expensive between shipping and taxes to Europe...
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Rachel

I use the soul source dilators. I am 5 months post op and use the #1 and #4 dilator. #4 was getting very painful to insert about two months ago. I was recently prescribed hydrocortisone cream 2.5% for scar tissue and the pain has gone away. I was told if the pain persisted then they would prescribe E cream.

I am down to three 30 minute sessions and in 1 month I will be at 1/day.
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AnonyMs

I've read a large number of posts about this, and while it does get better the amount of time it takes is very variable. Some women get lucky and its really fast, others take a lot longer. I'd certainly not give up at only 4 months.

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Barb99

Wow, 90 minutes per session! I know it varies by surgeon but that seems really long. I'm 4 1/2 months post and at 2 sessions per day. My session have been 20 minutes each from the beginning. 

I use the Soul Source dilators and they go in very smoothly. Any chance you could switch to those and get you time down to something more manageable?

I found a source on the internet for the Soul Source dilators at $55 each.
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apsharas

Quote from: Charley on April 15, 2017, 08:09:26 PM

I found a source on the internet for the Soul Source dilators at $55 each.

VAT + Shipping. I paid 180€ for #3 and #4. Can't afford more.
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El

90 mins a session? :o

Wow, I got told 3 x 20 min sessions to start (5 mins with a skinny one and 15 mins with a fatter one), but I didn't manage to stick to it so instead did 2 x 30 min sessions to start and after a month I just did 2 x 20 because I was definitely gaining width and not losing depth. Now I'm at the 2 month mark when my surgeon recommends going to 2 x 20 mins a day and im sticking where I am for now. I'm thinking of going to 1 x 20 mins at the 4 month mark and once every 2 days at 6 months.
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apsharas

Quote from: El on April 16, 2017, 03:56:32 AM
90 mins a session? :o

Getting the dilator to the official depth takes me 10-12 minutes, before starting the timer (what Suporn calls "quality dilation"). Next dilators will take 6-8 minutes. Using 3-4 dilators, time adds. Plus time removing them, cleaning them a bit and lubing the next one.

It was easier in the beggining, but my vag contracts extremely fast. Literally I would need to have sex shortly after dilating.
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El

Ah, having 4 dilators rather than 2 explains a lot of the time. I do empathize with the closing up, I sometimes have trouble even douching if I spend too long getting into the shower. Still I feel like I'm either making progress or at least not losing it. If I'm still feeling so tight in a few months I might step up the frequency or get a bigger dilator
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apsharas

Quote from: El on April 17, 2017, 02:27:00 AM
Ah, having 4 dilators rather than 2 explains a lot of the time. I do empathize with the closing up, I sometimes have trouble even douching if I spend too long getting into the shower. Still I feel like I'm either making progress or at least not losing it. If I'm still feeling so tight in a few months I might step up the frequency or get a bigger dilator


Yep. I usually try to keep it at three dilators maximum. During these vacations I have been experimenting a bit. I tried to remove Chett #2 and start directly on #3, but it takes nearly 15 minutes and can cause pain. I found that I could easily replace Chett #4 (32 mm) with SS #3 (35 mm), but only if I am dilating 3 times a day, so once I run out of time and switch to 2, I need to use the 32 mm one again. After one two weeks on 35 mm I should be able to drop the smallest one (26 mm), but for not it's going to keep adding time. Currently I'm doing:

26 mm: 5 min (10-12 minutes to reach my 6" depth)
29 mm: 5 Min (8 minutes to depth)
32 mm : 10 min (5 minutes to depth)
35 mm: 40 min (3 minutes to depth)



I'm also having the douching trouble if not done fast after dilating. The bulb chett gave me was thing, but the cleaner I was given at the pharmacy has a bigger head that sprays 180 degrees.


At best, I lose around 22-30 minutes between getting to depth with each dilator, and cleaning with TP before leaving them on a towel.r
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EmmaD

Hi,
I understand completely what you are experiencing.  I am about 17 months post-op with Chet.  I had to drop the 3 times a day as soon as I started back at work (2 months post-op).  I managed to keep the 2 times a day schedule from then until the 8 month mark.  Twice a day meant a 5am start and a late finish EVERY BLOODY DAY!  I spent most of last year exhausted.  Since moving to once a day (I was interested to see what would happen but if anything it is easier), I still use all 4 of Chet's dilators but No. 1 gets used to get to depth.  This used to take a couple of minutes but now is pretty much straight away. No.2 is just to ease into it a bit more, No 3 the same and then No 4 stretches the opening.  If you are struggling to get depth on #2, go back to #1 for a bit.  See if it gets the others in faster.  I don't notice much else after getting depth as the sizes go up.  Times are #1 - 5 mins, #2 - 5-10 mins, #3 10 -15 mins, #4 - 50 mins.  I could do less now.  I get to the 7 inch mark on all the dilators (measured at outer lips).  Since the middle of Feb, I moved to once every 2 days and it is OK.  Looking forward to once every 3 days!!!  It does get better. 

I also stopped douching very early on as I found it very hard to do as I close up very quickly.  The dilators do not smell of anything after I have used them so I figure it is all good inside.

Since I now have time on my hands, I am having to get up early to do voice exercises as I am 2 months post-op from Yeson.  It doesn't stop!

Love Emma
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apsharas

I tried with just two dilators yesterday, and while it can be done if being careful, the time spent was exactly the same. So no workaround to fix the time. At least I save some lube, though.
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Brenda80

I truly agree on the length of dilation.
I am a month past post-op, the dilation is taking the toll out of me.
As I am back at work, I can manage only 2 dilations a day.
Each session ranging more than 1.5 to 2hours.
I sometimes cheat and start the timer once I started inserting to 4' which is relatively easier before pushing the next 2 inches.
Currently I am at 0, 1 and 2. (Also with Chettawut)
Same as Theadstarter, I reach home around 9pm and after settling down commence dilation at 1030pm? (That is yet to take dinner....) Finish past midnight definitely.
Afterwhich next morning that's like a space of 4hours max before the next round of dilation at 5am.
Question is with such close proximity for dilation, is it the right way?
Anyhow in similar aspect, I am also finding it extremly difficult to get to depth especially in the morning. Probably the muscles are still stiff? I am not sure.
That drags time as well to reach the depth and I would say that finish about 7am before the preparations start to get to work.

Really extremely taxing and worn out. Totally no mood and energy to engage in other activities of sorts. Life certainly centers around - Sleep to Dilation to Work to Dilation and Sleep Cycle daily.
If only Everyday having 48hours then life will be perfect.

By the way, I have spoken to some gals whom went under some surgeons and does not require dilation? True? Seems impossible. But then again, if maintenance free might not be such a bad idea. Haha.
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EllenJ2003

#14
Dilating is always hard in the first 3 or 4 months.  I don't know what Suporn's post op dilating regimen is nowadays, but after my surgery (in late 2003), it was twice a day for 2 hours duration each time.  I used to have to get up at 2:30 am to dilate before work, and then do another 2 hour session after work.  It made for a long day, but I made myself stick with it, telling myself, that I didn't go through all of the hassles I went through to have SRS, only to lose depth and diameter, due "dilating being a hassle."  With time, you can reduce the amount of dilating you need to do, as the vaginal tissue stabilizes.  I went from 2 hours twice a day, down to two hours once a day at 6 months post op (which seemed like the lap of luxury to me at the time), to further decreases in frequency over time, to the point where one hour (10 minutes with a small Suporn supplied dilator, and 50 minutes with much larger sized dilator, made by a company no longer in business) every 6 to 8 weeks is plenty.  Now the biggest problem I have with dilating, is that it's kind of boring.  I usually read a novel on my Nook e-reader to pass the time while dilating. 

People mention pain while dilating. For me it was very uncomfortable at times, in the early days, but I guess I received a healthy dose of perspective with regards to dilating pain, in my early weeks post-op, because I had to put up with much more extreme pain while dilating, than what the dilating caused me.  I suffer from cluster headaches (a rare type of headache, which is considered to be one of the worst headaches you can get - the pain is considered to be worse than migraines, and childbirth, and on a par with what is experienced from a traumatic amputation [according to amputees, who also suffer from cluster headaches]), and I had the "good fortune" to go into a cluster headache cycle shortly after my SRS, that lasted for most of my recovery time, while I was in Thailand.  It's no fun having a cluster headache attack that starts a short time after you commence with a 2 hour dilation session, and lasts beyond the end time of your dilation.  Pain that extreme almost stops you dead in your tracks, and trying to deal with it literally becomes your world (I remember closing my eyes, breathing deeply, and in some cases moaning non-stop, or crying like a baby, while trying to endure a visit from The Beast, while dilating [at least I didn't scream like I've ended up doing during some cluster headache attacks]).  I remember being so exhausted from fighting the pain from cluster headache attacks, that I basically staggered to the bathroom to clean up after dilating (occasionally with the cluster headache attack still in progress - they last from .5 to 3 hours time-wise), and then passed out after the attacks ended (unlike a migraine, you CANNOT sleep off a cluster headache attack - it's too painful to do so).  I've been getting cluster headaches (I'm an episodic sufferer, and I'm overdue for another round of the headaches) since 1999.  I wouldn't wish them on anybody.  The pain from my cluster headache attacks eclipses any dilating pain I've ever experienced.
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Sydney_NYC

Quote from: Barb99 on April 15, 2017, 08:09:26 PM
Wow, 90 minutes per session! I know it varies by surgeon but that seems really long. I'm 4 1/2 months post and at 2 sessions per day. My session have been 20 minutes each from the beginning. 

I use the Soul Source dilators and they go in very smoothly. Any chance you could switch to those and get you time down to something more manageable?

I found a source on the internet for the Soul Source dilators at $55 each.

Same here :) (I think we may have the same surgeon.)

I'm 6 months post-op and it's 20 min twice a day with the larget (Orange) dilator. (I'm told I only have to do 15 minutes, but I always just do 20 min.)

My instructions on my dilation schedule from my surgeon were:

  • Month 1 - Dilate 4 times a day 3-4 hours apart
  • Month 2 - Dilate 3 times a day with next size dilator if possible
  • Month 3 - Dilate 3 times a day with next size dilator if possible
  • Month 4-12 - Dilate 2 times a day with the largest dilator if possible
  • Month 12+ - Dilate 1 - 3 times a week with the largest dilator if possible

Each month I was instructed to go up a size. Each time you go up a size, you put in the previous month's size in for 5 min then the new size for 15 min. Every time I went up in size there was some anxiety about it, but really it wasn't that bad once I did it the first time or two. Nothing like the anxiety the first day or two of dilating as your afraid your going to break something and many times a small amount of blood came out the first week of dilating.

The biggest challenge was dilating in the beginning because your whole day is scheduled around when to dilate. The 2nd month I was able to see clients (I'm a self-employed software developer) but needing to dilate in the middle of the day was a challenge. Now that I'm dilating 2 times a day, it's pretty easy and just part of my morning and evening routine.
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