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What happen with Transsexual word?

Started by Hydrargyrum, December 18, 2017, 04:34:57 AM

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Hydrargyrum

Hello everybody!
Who can enlighten me on the situation with transsexuals !?
The fact is the word Transsexual is used less and less. Often you can see the word Transgender.
But, the term is an umbrella lable, where there are many identities. For example:  it may include people who are not exclusively masculine or feminine (people who are genderqueer or non-binary, including bigender, pangender, genderfluid, or agender, etc. Yes, the term include Transsexuals too.
Another quote from the Link:
Quote'transgenderist' was used to describe people who wanted to live cross-gender without sex reassignment surgery (SRS)
Why did the term "Transgender" stick to us? ???
Help to understand, please.
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zirconia

I've wondered the same myself. While no-one I've asked has yet been able to give a definitive answer, the most plausible explanation I've heard to date was that some people didn't like to be referred to with a word that contained "sex," and accordingly lobbied others to use an alternative that they'd thought of that the would feel better about.

It seems to be pretty common in recent history for various groups to object to certain words and to promote others that they at that point in time deem more "politically correct." Examples would be e.g. substituting "visually disabled" for "blind," "a person with a mobility impairment" for "cripple" and "lacking in beauty" for "ugly."
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Megan.

Medically speaking,  for those of us who undertake some form of medical transition, transsexual is probably the correct term.
I personally avoid it, because outside of a medical setting,  it only serves to confuse cisgender people that I transitioned for sexual reasons.
At the hospital last week, I checked the 'male' box on their forms (quite happily), because I am still medically male (pre-op).

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Dani

I am 68 years old and I have lived through many decades of "medical research". The only thing constant is change. Call it advances with new understanding or social perceptions or just plain language usage. The way we describe any condition will change over time. At one time we called Tuberculosis, consumption. As we understood the real causes, the terminology changed.

Today, we have a much better understanding of our condition, with all the variations that are described by medical science. To be able to accurately diagnose any individuals condition, we need a more specific vocabulary. The term Transsexual just is too broad and does not specify the difference between sexual and gender dysphoria, which we all know are two different things.

In the grand scheme of things, does it really matter what terms we use? What is important is how we live our lives and are we comfortable with our choices. With better understanding of our condition, we have the freedom to make better decisions and live our lives the way we want to.   
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Lucy Ross

Getting beyond "transsexual" will take some doing.  I've read way too much about this topic and haven't really come across any attempts at improving on it, it's simply too ingrained.  How about "crossgenderist"?  It could be a companion term for "crossdresser."
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DeidraDee

Hi Everyone, Many of us especially born between 1940-72 may be the way we are because of medical experiment (Namely prenatal exposure to DES )and suffer the medical side effects; I will spare you all the organ recital but if you doubt just start a search "DES AND GENDER ISSUES" of "DR. SCOTT KERLIN-GENDER RESEARCH" much info. Anyway the main problem is with the insurance companies cause once diagnosed the must provide service. Transexual may be a starting point or a cop out depending on the situation. I will keep this short, after 10 years, 25+ doctors and more tests then  can be imagined we still reach roadblocks and all from the insurance companies in effort to protect themselves and BIG PHARMA like 'LILLY' and others from litigation, they had it years ago from ciswoman and rare forms of cancer imagine if million of affected males started a class action suit, multiple medical tests, x-ray, cat scan etc are sound evidence.okay, in closing try to BE YOURSELF, ACCEPT YOURSELF, YOU MAY HAVE A MEDICAL CONDITION OR AS SOME SAY A BIRTH DEFECT YOU ARE NOT ALONE AND THERE IS STRENGTH IN NUMBERS. sorry for length but time brings research and that brings knowledge which now sadly shows that the effects of DES EXPOSURE crosses generations, Thank you for your time to read this and let me express my opinion HAPPY HOLIDAYS ALL HUGS XXXX
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Paige

Quote from: Hydrargyrum on December 18, 2017, 04:34:57 AM
Hello everybody!
Who can enlighten me on the situation with transsexuals !?
The fact is the word Transsexual is used less and less. Often you can see the word Transgender.
But, the term Transgender is an umbrella lable, where there are many identities. For example:  it may include people who are not exclusively masculine or feminine (people who are genderqueer or non-binary, including bigender, pangender, genderfluid, or agender, etc. Yes, the term include Transsexuals too.
Another quote from the Link: Why did the term "Transgender" stick to us? ???
Quote
'transgenderist' was used to describe people who wanted to live cross-gender without sex reassignment surgery (SRS)
Help to understand, please.

Hi Hydrargyrum,

Not sure about the term "transgenderist".  I've never heard it before.

I tend to agree with others when they say the "sexual" part of transsexual implies that GCS is all about sexual dysphoria.  This leads some cisgender people to the conclusion that transgender people with or without surgery are really just gay people in denial. The transgender community and their allies have worked hard to educate cis people this is not the case.

I would love to have GCS but haven't and don't know if I'll ever be able to.  I'm sure there are many in the same boat.  Does that make us all that different from those who've been lucky enough to have the surgery?  Do you really need a term to exclude GCS people from the rest of the spectrum?  What would be the purpose of this term be?

Take care,
Paige :)




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Jailyn

I think it has been used less because many in the sex industry use it instead. So it has been soiled as "oh so you strip or take money for sex." This maybe my opinion but, this is what I see. Some prefer one term over the other so it also is preference too.  For myself I prefer transgender. Yes it is a umbrella term, but most understand it better and I get no confusion.
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Roll

There is also a pure political correctness component to it. I've read a number of places people(particularly but hardly limited to the more politically radical and outspoken that tend to shape terminology) have stated they consider the word to be derogatory due to things such as external labeling and the association of Transsexual with the porn industry. Not to go down the PC word choice rabbit hole in full, but it is hard not to mention it given the topic. Essentially, it is common practice to shape dialogue based around approved words and phrasing. Sometimes it is entirely legitimate to avoid blatantly hurtful dialogue (particularly with certain racial slurs), while other times it is simply an attempt to create a political rallying point (including the dismissal of medical terms) by attempting to use previously uncontested terminology to artificially recreate the more legitimate instances of politically correct word policing. In this case, it's somewhere in-between probably, as the word has never risen to the level of certain well known racial slurs, but at the same time a legitimate case can be made it muddies the discussion by associating gender identity with sex, even if in a purely happenstance manner based on the dual meanings of the word sex itself (biological sex of an individual, versus the action of procreation).

I personally feel like it's best not to consider it offensive, because I've never seen anyone use it as an intentionally derogatory term, but that using the gender based labeling is just easier in a non-medical or gender layman's setting. (In other words, it's fine to use the term when people understand the real definition, but it's better avoided when the audience may not.)

I worry about avoiding it based on stuff like porn however, because that is a never ending cycle where the industry will just switch to the new words, then those words will become non grata, then any new words chosen will eventually be used by porn, making those in turn verbotten, etc., etc.
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It seems the word transgender has been adopted to move away from the connotations of sex and to put more things under the umbrella.

I always use the word transsexual when referring to people who specifically undergo SRS and HRT. For those who don't the term transgender is probably more appropriate.
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SadieBlake

Hydra, all I can say is "hail fellow transexual, well met"!

Yes, I don't hear the term transexual very often these days and a lot of people here talk about not wanting to be identified as by a word including "sexual".

Transexual to me means an MTF transgender person who needs to or maybe wants but can't for whatever reason have medical intervention to alleviate dysphoria. The icd 10 code for this is f64.0 and in most contexts in the US you won't be covered for insurance without this diagnosis. And what we do with medical interventions are change our primary and secondary sex characteristics via surgery and hormones respectively.

It's not hard to find people to argue this point either but in my mind gender is in the brain, sex is in the body. Most of my primary and secondary sex characteristics are now in line with the gender of my mind.

Transexualwas the main term in use for people considering transition 20 years ago and at that time the possibility of being trans and gender fluid was only recently a topic of wider discussion. Back then, transgender was almost synonymous with gender fluid because people wanting to transition and be binary almost always used transexual. But then getting approved for medical intervention back then if you were gender fluid or non confirming was essentially impossible so some people called themselves transexual for the doctors and socially considered themselves gender queer etc.

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