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Started by Julia1996, January 16, 2018, 10:24:10 AM

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Julia1996

Hi everyone.  Late yesterday afternoon my grandpa came over. I told him my dad and Tyler had gone to the gym and he said he had come to talk to me. I told him I didn't want to fight with him and I didn't need to hear his antitrans ideas. He said he didn't come to fight, he came to apologize and that he wanted to talk. He told me he was sorry for the stuff he had said and said he missed Tyler and I and that he didn't want to lose his boy over this. My dad is 39 years old and my grandpa still calls him " his boy". I told him I really thought he had accepted me but obviously he didn't. He said he had never been happy about me transitioning but that he had made peace with it but then finding out my SRS had been scheduled and seeing me with that " Aussie boy" as he calls Tristan had just really upset him.

I told him I needed to have SRS and that it was the final step to me being happy. I asked him if he would rather I be miserable the rest of my life. He said that's what worried him. He said he knew what they were going to do to me and he knew once they did it could never be reversed. He said if I decide it was a mistake later there wouldn't be anything that could be done about it. I told him I wouldn't ever regret having SRS and that that's why I had to see a therapist this entire time and that 2 therapists had agreed with me that surgery was the right thing for me. He said he didn't care if I had seen therapists that I was still a child and I shouldn't do something so radical at such a young age, he said yes he knew I was almost 20 but 20 was still a child. I told him I would never change my mind and I would never regret having surgery but even if I did, it would be on me. It wouldn't be anyone's fault.

I asked him why he didn't like Tristan and he said he didn't dislike Tristan but that seeing him touch and kiss me when he was here at thanksgiving just really bothered him. What he saw was Tristan hug me from behind and kiss me on the top of the head while I was standing at the stove. Later on he gave me a kiss but it was a quick kiss. He and I don't make out or grope each other in front of anyone ever. Just because no one else wants to see that no matter who does it. I asked him why it bothered him and he said it just did, that it just seemed wrong to him. I told him if he was going to be a part of my life he would have to get used to it. He said he didn't know if he could but that he would try.

Then he asked me if I hated him. I told him of course I didn't hate him and that I loved him but I couldn't be around him if he couldn't learn to accept me as a woman. He said he would try. He said it was very hard for him and that he would never be happy about it but if I gave him another chance he promised he wouldn't ever be disrespectful to me or to Tristan. I'm pretty sure that's the best I'm going to get from my grandpa but as long as he isn't disrespectful it's enough. I don't want to cut him out of my life if I don't have to. So I figured that was it. But he said he wanted to talk to me about some other stuff too.

He said he knew he had hurt me a lot growing up but that he honestly hadn't done it to be cruel or mean. He said he was trying to help me the only way he knew how. He said from the time I was little I had kind of freaked him out. He said I was the weirdest little boy he had ever seen and he didn't know what to make of me. He wasn't talking about my physical appearance, he meant my behavior and personality. He said I always wanted to be in my dad's lap or cuddled up next to him and I was always giving him and my brother kisses which little boys didn't do once they were 3-4 years old and I still did it when I was 5-6. He said he thought someone needed to let me know that wasn't right and he got frustrated with my dad because he didn't see anything wrong with my behavior and he wouldn't do anything about it or let him do anything about it. He said as I got older my behavior was more and more unacceptable for a little boy and my dad wouldn't do anything to correct me. He said it panicked him. He said he never thought about me being trans but he was sure if somebody didn't do something I would grow up to be " queer". His word for gay people. He said that was a horrible thing and he didn't understand why my dad wouldn't try to prevent it. He said a couple of times he even cried over it. Until he said that I didn't know just how strongly he had felt about it. My grandpa doesn't cry. Ever, about anything. For him to cry about something it would have to be beyond horrible.  I guess for him the thought of a gay grandchild was.

He said he tried and tried to tell my dad he needed to do something or I would be queer when I grew up. He said my dad told him if I was gay then I was gay and that you couldn't shame or beat being gay out of a child. My grandpa said he had tried to " correct" me himself but my dad yelled at him for trying. He said he didn't know what to do. He said my dad wouldn't let him spend any time alone with me either and he never even let me spend weekends with my grandparents. He told my grandpa he couldn't trust him not to be mean to me.

I told him what he said about my dad being a bad father and telling Tyler he was a poor excuse of an older brother had upset and pissed me off worse than anything he had said about me. I told him Tyler had always been a good brother and that he had always been very protective and had even endured bullying at school himself and gotten into fights with other boys over me. He told me he had hoped Tyler at least would try to "help" me but he never did either. I asked him just what he meant by Tyler "helping" me. He said as my older brother he should have let me know that my behavior was unacceptable but instead he had protected me from everything and been too loving and affectionate with me just like my dad and didn't even want to do normal boy things with me because he was afraid he might hurt me. I told him it wasn't wrong or abnormal for my dad and brother to love me. He said no it wasn't wrong but that the problem had always been that they loved me too much. I asked him what he meant by that and he said they loved me to much to be mean to me in order to help me and that brothers and fathers and sons just didn't interact that way. I told him maybe that should have given him a clue that I wasn't a boy. He said something like that would never have entered his mind.

I have to say after he told me all that I do have a better understanding of my grandpa. He has ignorant and phobic beliefs and ideas no doubt, but it does explain a lot. I told him as far as I was concerned as long as he treated me, Tristan and my dad and brother with respect he was welcome to be a part of my life. But I told him he needed to apologize to Tyler and I didn't know if he would be as forgiving. I don't think he understands how bad what he said to Tyler was. Tyler has always tried to be a good older brother and he's always been proud that he has been. My grandpa might have crossed a line with him.

My grandpa is never going to be completely accepting, that's just reality. But if he can conduct himself accordingly around me and my family I'm willing to have him be a part of my life. I realize there are going to be people in my life that won't be able to accept me and that's just life.
Julia


Born 1998
Started hrt 2015
SRS done 5/21/2018
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Faith

Julia.

I'll be honest, I had to skim. I got the gist of it all but a wall of text on a computer screen really gets to me (not saying you should shorten it). I stare at a screen all day. I just have trouble with large blocks of text, they blur together.

What I read is that he hasn't changed. He also didn't try to excuse or explain away his behavior, just stated how he felt and apologized and will try to do better by you.

Some people never get that far. How much leeway and allowance you give him is entirely up to you. By your recital, it appears that he really wants to try.
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Jessica

Wow Julia, that's something I didn't expect.  It took a lot for him to apologize.  He's a better person for recognizing he would lose so much in his own actions.  He does need to apologize to each and every one that had to endure the Christmas fiasco.  You were the hardest on his list. He will most likely have underlying feelings that are just who is is, but if he is respectful and in time may realize those are off base too.

Good luck girlfriend, Jess 

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KathyLauren

Wow, Julia, what a great talk you had with your grandpa!  He promises to treat you with respect.  That's a win.  Your understanding of him is very mature.
2015-07-04 Awakening; 2015-11-15 Out to self; 2016-06-22 Out to wife; 2016-10-27 First time presenting in public; 2017-01-20 Started HRT!!; 2017-04-20 Out publicly; 2017-07-10 Legal name change; 2019-02-15 Approval for GRS; 2019-08-02 Official gender change; 2020-03-11 GRS; 2020-09-17 New birth certificate
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DawnOday

My Son is 30 and his Sister is 27. We hug and kiss each other every day. Absolutely nothing wrong with loving your kids and showing affection. The attention I paid to my kids made them solid citizens. They may not fully understand why I decided to come out. But they support my decision. Mom too. All in all, I am blessed. You are too. We are square pegs in round holes and people just don't understand and that is unfortunate. People with open minds will embrace you. Your Grandpa has opened the door to reconciliation. He is asking to learn and understand, to cure his ignorance. Keep working on him. Unfortunately Mom's actions are out of stupidity and you just can't cure stupid until she is willing.
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Bari Jo

Ahh, your grandfather and my dad are in the same boat.  They want to accept and try hard.  My dad thanks me for spending time with him now, which is so weird to me.  At least he's not being transphobic with me, which he's been about the topic in general.

Here's hoping they both progress and accept us both.

Bari Jo
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Charlie Nicki

I would consider this a win. He's at least trying to make amends and understand.
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Devlyn

Well. I guess it's a good thing you didn't push him down the stairs like I initially suggested!  :laugh:

Hugs, Devlyn
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Julia1996

Quote from: Devlyn Marie on January 16, 2018, 02:21:17 PM
Well. I guess it's a good thing you didn't push him down the stairs like I initially suggested!  :laugh:

Hugs, Devlyn

Lol, that's so funny! He would have survived just to spite me.
Julia


Born 1998
Started hrt 2015
SRS done 5/21/2018
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Julia1996

Quote from: DawnOday on January 16, 2018, 10:54:23 AM
My Son is 30 and his Sister is 27. We hug and kiss each other every day. Absolutely nothing wrong with loving your kids and showing affection. The attention I paid to my kids made them solid citizens. They may not fully understand why I decided to come out. But they support my decision. Mom too. All in all, I am blessed. You are too. We are square pegs in round holes and people just don't understand and that is unfortunate. People with open minds will embrace you. Your Grandpa has opened the door to reconciliation. He is asking to learn and understand, to cure his ignorance. Keep working on him. Unfortunately Mom's actions are out of stupidity and you just can't cure stupid until she is willing.

I talked to my dad about my grandpa coming over and he knew he was going to. I asked him why he hadn't warned me and he said because he wanted it to be entirely my decision to forgive him or not. He told me from what I told him about our conversation he knew it wasn't exactly the way I had hoped it would have gone but he told me not to discount my grandpas apology.  He said for my grandpa that was a huge deal. He said his dad just didn't apologize, ever. He said he's the type of person who would cut ties with someone rather than apologize, even if he was the one who was wrong. I kind of figured that even before he told me. Funny that apologizing was an incredibly hard thing for my grandpa yet he did it but my mom hasn't even tried.

I did ask my dad if he thought I had been weird when I was little too. He said no. He said I was very different from Tyler but not weird. He said I said I was way more affectionate than Tyler had been. That's true. Tyler never had a problem being affectionate with me but after about 9 years old he was absolutely not affectionate with my dad. He never has been. He loves my dad and doesn't have a problem telling him that but hugging or anything like that, no way. He will do the guy backslapper or fistbump with him but that's it. My dad said that wasn't unusual and that some guys just didn't like being affectionate with other guys no matter who they are. That's really sad. My dad said after he found out I was trans he had looked back on everything and realized I Hadn't been a weird little boy, that I  had behaved exactly like any little girl would.
Julia


Born 1998
Started hrt 2015
SRS done 5/21/2018
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Laurie

 Hi Julia,

   Put me in the "That talk with your by your Grandpa" was probably one of the hardest things he has done in his life. To put himself out to you and ask you to give him another chance is not something a man of his generation does willingly. I know this thing I am of his generation I I found apologizing very difficult and I owed so very many of them. I tried with my daughter years ago and thought it was accepted tears and all but as you may have gathered from my posts I discovered those old issues were still there and thrown back at me last year. I know the pain of being cut out of someone's life that you love. According to my daughter I had my chances and I blew it. If you can give the old coot another chance. He is trying.

Hugs,
   Laurie
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HappyMoni

Julia, I'd be damn proud to have a daughter or granddaughter like you. I suspect your Grandfather has really wrestled between his love  for you and the ideas of his upbringing. Maybe he is starting to come out of the denial phase and is starting to accept the new reality. It is certainly hopeful with this conversation.
Moni
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Maddie86

wow, this sounds pretty heavy but I think you handled it very well! I really hope things work out for you and your family <3
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Paige

Hi Julia,

I guess that's as good as it's going to get.  Maybe over time he'll come around a bit more.  Do you suspect your grandmother is behind some of this?

Take care,
Paige :)

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zirconia

Wow! That sounds amazing. When I saw the title I was expecting something bad. I'm so glad it wasn't.

I'm also flabbergasted that your grandfather actually told you he'd cried. From all you've told about him it must have been incredibly difficult for him to come talk with you, let alone admit that.

I really hope this is just the beginning, and that he'll eventually come to realize and understand that you've been a girl from the beginning.

By the way, I think I really and truly like your father. Many of the things you've told about him are what I'd have loved to see in mine as well. I don't even want to think what you'd be going through now if he were different.
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