Has anyone ever stated they are male? And are proud to be a feminized Male?

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This is probably a very controversial and taboo topic but I think cisgender people should be able to have GRS.

Depends on if you are saying that from a matter of legality or a matter of medical ethics. I definitely don't think there should be any part of the legal code saying cis people can't get SRS, and that sort of thing should never be codified.

The bigger thing though is that it would be extremely irresponsible for the doctor performing SRS on a cis patient. Think about it like this... As a physician, their oath is to above all do no harm. If a patient comes into their office and says one day they want start chemo, but they don't have cancer, that doesn't just happen in a void. Something is going on there, most likely some sort of severe psychological disorder. It is the doctor's job to recognize this, and seek to find the real solution, not just say "Okay, let's get you pumped full of stuff that could kill a horse!". A person who is purely cis (ie: no trans indications whatsoever other than wanting SRS) may ask for SRS, but what they really might need is an anti-psychotic. A lot of times it is up a physician to protect a patient from themselves. (Of course that's a fine line to stuff like gatekeeping, but a lot of that can be solved by second opinions. If someone goes to one doctor and the doctor says no, then another doctor and that one says yes (and a third would have said yes, and a forth, etc.) that's bad on the first doctor's part probably. But if someone goes to all of those doctors and they all say no, that's good because it means they are most likely recognizing something the patient is not, instead of just casually agreeing to a life altering surgery they will for sure regret within 5 seconds of waking up on account of not being trans.)

(This also presumes though that you aren't trans simply for wanting SRS to begin with. I think that if you want SRS and it isn't driven by some sort of psychosis, you're trans by any definition, making it a logical impossibility for a cis person to want SRS. Though I guess this also presumes we're talking voluntary SRS... because, yeah. )

[Allison S]

Ever heard if castration as a fetish? For cisgender men that's basically a step down fron SRS. I met a guy that had SRS after castrating his penis to the point it had to be removed. He loved his vagina when we met and was showing it off even. Yes he did say he's a guy with a vagina.

I agree I think this is a tricky topic. But I disagree with suggesting they need an antipsychotic. I'm not comparing this to being a binary trans person, but anyone could say we need an antipsychotic too.

I think needing the RLE before SRS is good but even when I'm in "guy mode" I know I would prefer a vagina. What's the point of my penis if I want nothing to do with it? A vagina would be more comfortable and pleasurable emotionally and sexually. Just using myself as a hypothetical example, though I could see the appeal of being non binary with a vagina.

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Ever heard if castration as a fetish? For cisgender men that's basically a step down fron SRS. I met a guy that had SRS after castrating his penis to the point it had to be removed. He loved his vagina when we met and was showing it off even. Yes he did say he's a guy with a vagina.

I agree I think this is a tricky topic. But I disagree with suggesting they need an antipsychotic. I'm not comparing this to being a binary trans person, but anyone could say we need an antipsychotic too.

I think needing the RLE before SRS is good but even when I'm in "guy mode" I know I would prefer a vagina. What's the point of my penis if I want nothing to do with it? A vagina would be more comfortable and pleasurable emotionally and sexually. Just using myself as a hypothetical example, though I could see the appeal of being non binary with a vagina.

Self castration with SRS as a medical fix later is a little bit different as a medical scenrio. Remember, it's not just about the patient's needs, its also about the doctor's ethical duty, and for a doctor to be the one doing the castrating versus a fix later is fairly different. (Going back to the above all do no harm thing.) (Though also, I'd say at that point he is under the trans umbrella whether he likes it or not.)

And I didn't mean to say that anyone in that scenario would be psychotic, just was saying they might need an anti-psychotic, simply as a reference to one of many possible causes that should be addressed instead of simply performing the surgery.

And while there may be fetish type stuff, or other scenarios in which someone who isn't identifying as something besides their birth assigned gender seeks that surgery, I would still say they fall under transgender inherently even without that. Drag queens/crossdressers identify as male, but are transgender because of breaking gender norms and crossing the social boundaries for instance. Having SRS even if identifying as birth gender would be no different. By that token I do go back to the issue of seeking SRS for its own sake (not psychosis/ocd/other issue) as being transgender inherently, thus meaning that a healthy/stable cis person wouldn't seek SRS and thus if a truly cis person does, then the cause of that should be addressed instead of granting the SRS.

[ajtent]

Last August I set up an appointment with Dr. Arnkoff and then made the mistake of telling my GP about it.
One week later I was seeing a psychiatrist with the GP's hope of putting me on some kind of ant-depression drug.
After a couple of sessions with the psychiatrist, she told me that there was "no way" that I needed anti-depressants, I simply needed to find a gender therapist.
I found a good gender therapist and now am a month into my spiro and estro regimen.
I also have an appointment with a plastic surgeon to remove the testes and scrotum which were what I have been attacking/abusing for 55 years.
The orchi/scrotumectomy appointment that will be paid for my Medicare is scheduled for early next fall with 11 months of hormone therapy completed by then.
So far, being on the spiro and estro has made me almost complete.
Once the orchie is done, I will be where I have always wanted to be.
So, in a convoluted way, The GP did me a favor by accelerating my diagnosis and treatment.

[Devlyn]

Do they even give you hormones if you say you're male? I doubt it.

Well, I told my doctor that I was neither a man nor a woman, I embraced my male side but wanted to feminize my body. I had my hormones a week later.

Hugs, Devlyn

[Rachel]

If you are at the age of consent and your genitals and or body gives you discomfort, prolonged, and changing yourself would remove the discomfort then by all means it needs to be done.

I had FFS, GCS and a BA; also 2 rounds of hair grafts and now vocal surgery with no regret. I was a bit apprehensive with the FFS because I knew it was a forever thing and that what I was doing would alter how others saw me going forward and open myself up to discrimination and loss of my family.

If I identified as a guy and wanted those procedures the only one that required letters was the GCS and a letter for FFS. So, I guess going to a gender therapist would help.

In my opinion, if a person identifies as male and is assigned male at birth and wants feminization procedures (FFS, BA and GCS and variations) then I would put them on the trans spectrum.

[Jin]

My suggestion for bondage class grades:
If they get loose, F
If they can still walk, D
Red marks persist over one hour, C
Can be suspended, B
Attain orgasm, A

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My suggestion for bondage class grades:
If they get loose, F

They can have workshops with the Stage Magic class next door and have it be the escape artistry exam for them as well. One class shall win, one class shall lose.

[Devlyn]

Yes it is. Tristan uses Shibari to restrain me. It's a form of very elaborate bondage. I asked him how he learned to do it and he did actually take classes for it. I doubt it's offered at the community college but it is a thing. I don't know about the grading curve but when you take the classes you bring a partner to do it on. That would have been his ex. That could be why they broke up. Lol, I'm joking.

Shibari is awesome! We should start a thread and do some (clothed) ties. 

Hugs, Devlyn

[Megan.]

Shibari is awesome! We should start a thread and do some (clothed) ties. 

Hugs, Devlyn

I played cats cradle as a child,  does that count? [emoji23]

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[Megan.]

Being serious,  and with regard to the OP, I present fairly feminine (typical for a Cis woman of my age,  career and location).
Mentally I don't feel male or female,  though closer to female.
Fourty years living as a male,  I have a male mind-set and confidence that I have no intention of changing.

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[Jessica]

Well, I told my doctor that I was neither a man nor a woman, I embraced my male side but wanted to feminize my body. I had my hormones a week later.

Hugs, Devlyn

I told my doctor I was a man and a woman and I had hormones a week later.

[Sno]

I've often stated the opposite - that I am not male, and leave the rest to be defined by the person who asked the questions...




Rowan

[AlexisH590]

I personally could never call myself a "feminized male." But if you can, more power to you! I have always been, and always will be a woman. I do on occasion refer to myself as trans, however I feel the best way to describe me is exactly how I am! A unique woman named Alexis! <3

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[ajtent]

Now that I am a month into spiro and estrodial, my mind thinks differently.
I feel more feminine as my breasts are developing and the testosterone is shut down.
I wanted perky, smaller breasts but a month in, I am already half-way to what I wanted to end up with.
I think I am going to have a hard time hiding these beautiful things growing on my chest pretty soon.
I love taking showers now and feeling them, caressing and soaping them up as this is very feminine to me.
After the orchie I hope to feel even more feminine as I hate having that baggage down there.
Don't know if I'll ever feel fully a woman, but I really do like the breast growth and the way my mind is working these days.
I know I will be a lot better off being gender neutral and leaning more toward the female side of things.
I am walking a lot and using my weight machine every other day in the hopes that I can look female underneath my baggy clothing.
My marriage, kids and grandkids will prevent me from "coming out" but inside and at bedtime with my nightie on I can crawl into my inner self.

[CallMeKatie]

I still call myself male. Out of habit really and I think even after/ if I transitIon it'll be a fight with myself to not call myself male.
It's a learned habit.

As for being a feminine man,  I am not sure I am.
If anything I look like a man with male social skills and a female brain.

[Lyric]

Hopefully this isn't considered too old a thread, yet...

I'm well past the half century mark and have, basically, always considered myself androgynous or andro-feminine (whether others did or not). Lately I've adopted the term androgynist, which I think works well. I don't have to be feminine. I just am because it is something I love.

As for public appearances, I vary things according to occasion. But, hey, we all have to wear a dress once in a while, don't we?

My main motivation for commenting on this thread is that my wonderful Susan's friend Barbie made a comment that may be as cool a post as I've ever read here. She has a great attitude about herself and life and we could probably all stand to re-read it:

Although I am not on HRT, sometimes both men and women admire my beauty as a woman like "You have nice leg lines" and "You are so much slim". But some women add like "You are anyway a man". I feel like I am a kind of faked woman.

I can tell whether a man considers me as a man or a woman by the glitter of his eyes. Women tend to be closer to me physically, sometimes touching me easily and sometimes even grasping my shoulders or hands, once they see me as a woman.

And some women I first meet tend to be blunt and even rude to me, but they suddenly become very kind to me with a big smile with relief, once they hear my low, manly voice. As those women are not jealous of me at all and do not think me as their potential competitor, they like to talk with me. They tend to be more friendly to me than to other women.

Both men and women tend to treat me as a woman, but they know well that I am a man. Also many people assume that I am unmarried, but are surprised when they know I have 3 kids.

I have no objection to people's responses to me, as I think and accept that I am unique. A merit of my uniqueness is that I do not need a name card to introduce myself. People remember me too well. As long as the perception of me is positive, it does not matter so much whether they consider me as a man or a woman.

barbie~~

[Devlyn]

Hopefully this isn't considered too old a thread, yet...

I'm well past the half century mark and have, basically, always considered myself androgynous or andro-feminine (whether others did or not). Lately I've adopted the term androgynist, which I think works well. I don't have to be feminine. I just am because it is something I love.

As for public appearances, I vary things according to occasion. But, hey, we all have to wear a dress once in a while, don't we?

My main motivation for commenting on this thread is that my wonderful Susan's friend Barbie made a comment that may be as cool a post as I've ever read here. She has a great attitude about herself and life and we could probably all stand to re-read it:

Although I am not on HRT, sometimes both men and women admire my beauty as a woman like "You have nice leg lines" and "You are so much slim". But some women add like "You are anyway a man". I feel like I am a kind of faked woman.

I can tell whether a man considers me as a man or a woman by the glitter of his eyes. Women tend to be closer to me physically, sometimes touching me easily and sometimes even grasping my shoulders or hands, once they see me as a woman.

And some women I first meet tend to be blunt and even rude to me, but they suddenly become very kind to me with a big smile with relief, once they hear my low, manly voice. As those women are not jealous of me at all and do not think me as their potential competitor, they like to talk with me. They tend to be more friendly to me than to other women.

Both men and women tend to treat me as a woman, but they know well that I am a man. Also many people assume that I am unmarried, but are surprised when they know I have 3 kids.

I have no objection to people's responses to me, as I think and accept that I am unique. A merit of my uniqueness is that I do not need a name card to introduce myself. People remember me too well. As long as the perception of me is positive, it does not matter so much whether they consider me as a man or a woman.

barbie~~

I agree! Great words from Barbie, we can all take value from them. 

Hugs, Devlyn

[barbie]

My main motivation for commenting on this thread is that my wonderful Susan's friend Barbie made a comment that may be as cool a post as I've ever read here. She has a great attitude about herself and life and we could probably all stand to re-read it:

Hi, Lyric, again.

Yes. We are old friends here.

Nowadays I have been more active in Facebook. Surprisingly many people read and watch my Facebook postings and photos.

Last Friday, I happened to be in a fund-raising dinner event for a kind of "green party". Dozens of local people were there and a young woman approached me, saying that she knows me well. I have never met most of the people there before. She seemed to want to chat with me, but I have other guests I should talk with. Women tend to treat me like a kind of celebrity here, and some men, too.

Unfortunately I did not wear any makeup, just wearing a dull winter jacket and plain leggings, because it has been a snowy winter and I have mostly stayed at home. I have been in hibernation mode, but hope that I did not disappoint some people in the event.

barbie~~