Quote from: FinallyMichelle on February 25, 2018, 12:43:35 AM
Hahaha, funny and astute. If you learned that kind of distinction or eagle eye insight from riding your Jeep I may have to re-evaluate my stance on jeeps. Nah, just kidding, my family and friends have terrorized me with off road vehicles for as long as I can remember. I kinda want to puke if I sit in a Wrangler. I may be a hillbilly but I don't have to be happy about it. ☹️ Sorry, I am just a serious wimp.
Good lord, I'm sorry about that experience! I know a lot of wheeling-types can be outright jerks. So I do not blame you one iota! My rig, however, is hardly a "rig" at all - I'm a fan of the Cherokee, and I plan on keeping mine clean and driveable for at least another decade. The restoration, if you will, of a classic car. With the occasional rip out into the dirt. :9
QuoteI have begun to believe that we are not a viable species. We are broken on a evolutionary level. It is so easy to point to men in this but women have to accept some responsibility. The macho, chest thumping, crotch scratching mentality might lead us to ruin, but whatever that leaves us women unable to see the the reality and benefits of contention is just as ruinous. I am being vague on purpose, it would achieve nothing to put everyone on the defensive. Please, no one take offense, I am not pointing fingers so much as pointing out that evolution has finally failed. It's up to us to move past this.
Theorists, political philosophers, and historians sometimes try to figure out when our "fall from eden" happened in evolutionary terms. Some blame capitalism, some blame the nation-state, some see it fit, once they start down that rabbit hole, to go all the way back to the taming of fire itself. I think human cognition itself is fraught - our ability to think in terms of "what if"s and possible futures might have been what did it.
QuoteSeth, I think that you are awesome and I seriously want to talk art with you one day but... what do you see as an alternative? To science I mean. We are failing, or actually maybe not we are not the first. The Romans could not make it past this point we are going to hit that same wall unless something changes. How do we get past this point? If we fail now and make a go at it in another thousand years, what then?
I don't know. We are experiencing growing pains on an unprecedented global level, somehow we have to make that next step. I am not saying that science is the answer but all the other answers we have come up with were less than stellar.
I submit to you this dearheart, science isn't broken, we are. Please convince me I am wrong. Can we survive without help? Help that science could perhaps offer?
Thank you, I think you're pretty awesome too. It makes me feel a little better to know that others are thinking about these things. As far as science goes, there is no alternative; but it shouldn't be an ideology either, the way it is now. Science is but one tool for understanding the world alongside a host of others, including emotional intelligence and spiritual intelligence. There are things the hands know that the waking, thinking, mind will never understand. My body, even, knew I was trans long before my head did.
I'm skeptical of people who have answers anymore, so I offer none. I, personally, do not experience long-term hope, but nor do I especially experience long-term dread. Come what may - in the meantime, I'll be working on my car and going fishing. Though if you read authors like John Michael Greer, and his inspiration, Oswald Spengler, you'll come away with the understanding that faith in science, or science-like structures follows a pretty reliable pattern over the course of histories and nations. If the two of them are to be trusted, which I think they are as they've done their homework, then the current state of science is a natural stage in the life cycle of civilizations, and it will soon be met with an overwhelming opposition party of religious zealots that will come to dominate the political landscape for some time to come. Rome went through this, I believe, as well as a number of Asian civilizations over the past few thousand years. I think asking if there's an answer or alternative to this is like asking if there's an answer or alternative to growing old - there is, but it's just that you must learn to age gracefully, rather than spend your years trying to find the elixir of life.
I don't believe we're broken - most species are designed to reproduce into overshoot, and reorganize the conditions of their environment to suit that goal, which is precisely what we've done on a mass scale. Science was just one tool to get us there, and it's done a spectacular job. The alternative to
that, however, isn't pretty. Try Jared Diamond's
Collapse and you'll see what I mean. Unfortunately, these measures certain societies have taken over the course of human history to manage themselves and their pesky "carbon footprints" can be difficult to read about. But at the same time... they work.
Either way, terrible things are probably coming for most people on Earth (the people, that is, who are
not billionaires), and and doing what needs to be done to take care of those around us and survive and seek happiness is no original sin.
I, however, would not bank my emotional well-being on
lab-grown anything. It's a resource bubble waiting to burst.