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Started by Jillian-TG, December 07, 2025, 07:26:48 PM

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Jillian-TG

Anyone else who feels they are caught at the junction between trans or a CD? For most of my life (I'm 54) I would have said I am a cross dresser and I think my behaviours would have checked off the correct boxes for a therapist to agree. But damn - as I've aged and mellowed out, that CD label doesn't fit as well. Earlier today I was posting a story about my wife and I attending a white party themed event on a cruise ship. I decided to post the story in the CD section of this discussion board but while posting it I kept debating whether I should be posting there or in the Trans section.

I do think I'm gravitating more to the Trans side (gender fluid?) and I'm getting close to the point where I don't want to be called a CD anymore (no disrespect intended towards that community)

Pema

I think the label is less important than what you feel the difference is for you and your life. Is it that you like wearing clothes other than the ones society expects you to, or is it that you experience yourself as being different in some intrinsic, meaningful way from how you think society experiences you or expects you to be?

You'll see folks here say often that this journey isn't so much about becoming a man/woman but about becoming yourself - whatever that may be. Do you see your authentic self as not fitting the societal expectation beyond just how you dress?

But don't worry about the labels. Just be you.
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Many people start their journey as a CD. That does not make them "less trans". Cross-dressing helps many relieve the dysphoria they feel, even before they know they feel it.

The decision to transition sometimes comes later, if at all. For some, transitioning is not necessary. They are still transgender. Some enjoy cross-dressing for other reasons. There is nothing wrong with that.

As stated above, the labels don't matter. Just be yourself in whatever way that makes you happy.

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Charlotte_Ringwood

I think with fashion in many cases being a pivotal part of gender, it makes the lines very blurred. Many trans people like myself see fashion as a major part of the journey and it's also one of the easiest ways to pass so to speak. But it's not essential - fashion can be the lesser part of someone's identity.

Everything else is internal after this and down to the individual. Am I really trans as I don't feel any gender at all? But I empower from presenting stereotypically female.

We can transition mentally and physically which I and some others do. But must you change anything at all but identify your change of gender to be trans? I dont think you do. Like everything I guess each person chooses what makes them comfortable. And this can grow with the person over time.

One person CD and one trans may not be much different at all except in their definition and direction.

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Jillian-TG

I agree with the comments about this being about becoming your authentic self and less about the labels.

It's amazing how one's outlook and views can change over the years. I've learned not to resist or fight myself anymore but at the same time remaining considerate of the feelings for the people closest to me like wife and kids. Compromise is made often as life evolves. But compromise isn't a bad thing and both sides can feel happy when done right.

linda_45071

Linda here. I joined a few weeks ago and have been so enlightened and impressed by all the postings and interactive replies on various topics here. I am a long time private crossdresser with deep feminine feelings and desires. These feelings have gotten stronger as I have gotten older. I did not fully realize, until this discussion, that as a crossdresser, I am also transgender. I love that.

VictoriasSecret

The terms have come from one person who thought " We should catagorise people who choose to do things differently and push boundaries so we can identify them and give them a label."

So the terms have originated as one persons "opinion".

We should be able to live our best life and not allow labels to define us based on one persons original "opinion".

A little information about the definitions of labels as sourced from Google.

A label is a word, phrase, or symbol used to identify, describe, or categorize something.
Its meaning shifts depending on the context.

PS: I've had to split the word Trans Vestite as is was automatically omitted by the system. Clearly for a reason.
I've inserted it purely for a research point of view and is not intended to cause offence or harm to anyone.
Social label: A term applied to people or groups, often shaping identity or stereotypes.

The term "crossdresser" has its roots in mid‑20th century English and was coined as a more neutral alternative to older, often stigmatizing terms like trans vestite.

Origins
Early usage: The word -trans vestite- (from Latin trans = across, vestire = to dress) was introduced in 1910 by German sexologist Magnus Hirschfeld to describe people who wore clothing traditionally associated with another gender.

Shift in language: By the 1970s–1980s, especially in the United States, the community itself began adopting crossdresser as a less clinical and less pathologizing term. It emphasized the act of wearing clothing rather than implying a medical condition.

Community adoption: The term gained popularity through support groups like Tri‑Ess (Society for the Second Self), founded in 1976, which promoted "crossdresser" as a respectful identity marker.

Cultural Context
Crossdresser vs. - Trans Vestite: While both describe wearing clothing associated with another gender, crossdresser is generally preferred today because - Trans Vestite - became associated with outdated medical or fetishistic connotations.

Broader acceptance: The term reflects a move toward self‑identification and away from labels imposed by medical or psychological authorities.

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Quote from: linda_45071 on December 08, 2025, 01:06:36 PMLinda here. I joined a few weeks ago and have been so enlightened and impressed by all the postings and interactive replies on various topics here. I am a long time private crossdresser with deep feminine feelings and desires. These feelings have gotten stronger as I have gotten older. I did not fully realize, until this discussion, that as a crossdresser, I am also transgender. I love that.

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Quote from: linda_45071 on December 08, 2025, 01:06:36 PMLinda here. I joined a few weeks ago and have been so enlightened and impressed by all the postings and interactive replies on various topics here. I am a long time private crossdresser with deep feminine feelings and desires. These feelings have gotten stronger as I have gotten older. I did not fully realize, until this discussion, that as a crossdresser, I am also transgender. I love that.

Welcome aboard, Linda!

Thanks for contributing to the discussion.

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Quote from: Charlotte_Ringwood on December 08, 2025, 01:43:42 AMI think with fashion in many cases being a pivotal part of gender, it makes the lines very blurred. Many trans people like myself see fashion as a major part of the journey and it's also one of the easiest ways to pass so to speak. But it's not essential - fashion can be the lesser part of someone's identity.

Same here.  I started by wanting to adopt some feminine styles of clothing, but never wanted to do the whole female impersonation thing.  And by the time I actually transitioned, the fashion stuff was secondary to escaping the prison of the masculine social role.
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Sarah B

Hi Everyone

Introduction
When people say that crossdressers fall under the term transgender they often speak as if this is an absolute truth.  I have learned that the reality is more complex because no single person or group has universal authority over that word.

No one owns the word
Different groups use their own working definitions.  Medical bodies define terms for clinical use.  Governments define them for legislation.  Advocacy groups use them for community language.  Dictionaries describe patterns of public usage.  None of these definitions can override the others outside their own domains.  Language grows out of use not decree.

Umbrella models are optional
Some communities use a broad umbrella where transgender includes crossdressers.  This umbrella model works for those communities but it is not a universal rule.  No one can declare that all crossdressers must fall under that word.

Personal identity overrides external labels
A person has the strongest authority over the label they use for themselves.  If a crossdresser does not identify as transgender no one has the right to insist otherwise.  Labels are optional tools not obligations.

My historical context
When I changed my life in February 1989 the word transgender was not in use where I lived.  The word crossdresser existed but I never associated with it.  I never encountered the word transition either and the only word I had ever seen at the time was transsexual but even that sat quietly in the back of my mind.  I simply lived in a binary world of male and female.  People saw me as female so I never had to express a gender, any of the current labels or justify anything.  My life shows that labels come and go while lived reality continues without needing them.

Labels are just names
Labels may help some people communicate their experience but they do not define who I am.  I choose female for myself because that is the truth of my life.  No one has the authority to decide that I should use transgender, crossdresser, gender fluid or anything else.

Choosing what fits you
Many people shift between labels over time.  Some start as crossdressers then later feel the label no longer fits.  Others say their journey is about becoming their authentic self not about whether they belong in one forum section or another.  Some transition physically, some socially, some mentally and some not at all.  What matters is how they understand themselves not the label someone else prefers.

Member comments summarized
The discussion reflects several shared ideas:
  •   People evolve with time so their labels may change.
  •   Crossdressing can relieve dysphoria even before someone recognizes it as dysphoria.
  •   Transition takes many possible forms.
  •   Two people may behave similarly yet choose different labels.
  •   Labels can help or restrict depending on how they are used.
  •   No one should feel pressured to accept a label that does not fit.

Historical notes about crossdresser terminology
The word crossdresser arose as a neutral alternative to older terms.  Groups such as Tri Ess (The Society for the Second Self) helped make it common.  Earlier language like T V carried clinical or pathologising tones.  This shows that labels shift with culture rather than being fixed by any single authority.

Conclusion
Susan's 'Standard Terms and Definitions' uses a broad umbrella model where crossdressers are included under the transgender label.  This approach works well within this community and helps many people describe their experiences.  At the same time different individuals and different settings use the word in their own ways, so there is no single definition that applies universally.

Each person can choose the words that feel right for their own life and in my case the label I am comfortable with is simply, female.  The message repeated across all the comments remains simple: be yourself not the label someone else wants to place on you.

Best Wishes Always
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Feb 1989 Legally changed my name.
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May 1990 Three surgery letters.
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Sarah B

Hi Linda

My name is Sarah and I would also like to formally, Welcome you to Susan's Place!

I see that other members of Susan's have also welcomed you as well.

It is wonderful to have you here.  Thank you for sharing a little about yourself.  Many people discover new ways of understanding their feelings through conversations like this so you are in good company.  Your description of how your feminine feelings have grown stronger over time will resonate with a lot of members here.

It is lovely to hear that the discussion has helped you find language that feels affirming for you.  I hope you continue to find this a supportive place to explore your thoughts at your own pace.  You are among friends.

Once you feel comfortable here, it would be appreciated if you add a little bit more about yourself in the other forums and threads.  I would appreciate it very much as, I'm always interested in learning something new about new members.

In addition members of Susan's will more than likely will discuss problems or issues that are similar to yours as most have experienced these issues as well.

Please keep in mind when posting that this is an ALL AGES PUBLIC Forum and the internet never forgets.  Do not post anything that you do not want to be made public.

Take care and all the best for the future.

Once again, Welcome to Susan's Place!

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Feb 1989 Legally changed my name.
Mar 1989 Started hormones.
May 1990 Three surgery letters.
Feb 1991 Surgery.

linda_45071

Thank you so much Sarah for that very warm embrace. And a big thank you to Danielle and Lori Dee for their previous welcomes. You have all made me feel so very much at home here. This place is nothing short of amazing. I feel like I know so many of you now after reading your personal stories and posts. I am learning so much and feeling so liberated. I have felt so alone at times with my deep feelings of femininity, searching for relase and expression. I am so glad I found you.

Love and Hugs To All,
Linda