REGISTERING FOR THE DRAFT

[Devlyn]

I must've misread what Devlyn said. I thought when she said some kind of service should be mandatory, but not combat, that she had some kind of community work in mind. Or forward to the armed services if that's your passion and you are physically fit enough. I can see the benefits of that, but not of mandatory involvement with the military itself.

From young people I see, they tend to have no deficit of 'respect' and don't need 'whipping into shape'.

I meant direct involvement in the military for all. The only opt out being the ability to choose an administrative job rather than a combat arms role.

Hugs, Devlyn

[Jenntrans]

They make you do stuff even when you're sick? That's really mean and awful!

If you are sick then during PT formation you go to sick call. But don't expect too much sympathy though if you have a hangover. And others will know and then... Just suck it up and drive on. You will not be the only one hung over believe me.

I did not do PT in Korea. Still had to take the PT tests though along with weapons qualification.

But no if you are sick or inured then you go to sick call and the Doc will give you a "profile" which will allow you to be on lighter duties but hung over is not being sick or injured. That is just making a bad choice the night before and everyone does it.

But dear, a hangover is a bad decision you made the night before and not being sick. With a hangover you still have to do the PT and that includes running. Just drop out, throw up and catch up. If not you will never hear the end of it. When you go TDY, that is pretty much party time. No PT, you get money and it is pretty much a gravy duty. But you still better be where you need to be on time.

The Military is a little different than civilian life. I mean I had to get someone out of jail in Osan. It was a guy I worked with that got a little drunk and assaulted a KN. Not quite an international incident that made AFKN and I paid the fines and since I was his superior, I never said anything to mine about it other than I handled it.

The thing that gets me is that most everyone that has never served think it is like eternal Basic Training or Boot Camp with R. Lee Ermy calling recruits steers or queers and so on. When you get to your first duty station then a lot of that military BS goes our the window. You will serve with these people for a year or more and unless you are in trouble, then the Military Bearing goes out the window. It is nothing more than a job outside of a training environment.

Julia, it really ain't as bad as what most think after basic or more intense training. So don't think that military service is like Hollywood portrays it. It is actually pretty lax after the training and pretty much just another job. It is kind of like being a cop. You become temporary family members that realize you may die together or have to sacrifice yourself for them or used deadly force to save them.

Yeah the training environment sux. But the rest is pretty lax.

[alex82]

I meant direct involvement in the military for all. The only opt out being the ability to choose an administrative job rather than a combat arms role.

Hugs, Devlyn

Fair enough. I misunderstood your meaning. I disagree entirely but do so respectfully.

[Devlyn]

Fair enough. I misunderstood your meaning. I disagree entirely but do so respectfully.

Agree to disagree is always the best approach. 

Hugs, Devlyn

[Gertrude]

Registering for the draft doesn't mean one will be drafted and if it happens, you have a choice. I think a volunteer military is best. Not everyone is cut out for it and would I want people there that didn't want to be there? Not me. Imagine being forced to be a gender you aren't. The other thing is, the military is the military arm or force of any administrations foreign policy. You're not a freedom fighter or any other feel good narrative. If the president sends you into danger, it's at his discretion and whim and considering some of our recent presidents, I trust my judgement before theirs.


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[alex82]

Agree to disagree is always the best approach. 

Hugs, Devlyn

It would be stupid of me not to! You've got the gun training!

No, joking aside, I can see some value but many downsides, for very many reasons.

Don't think by saying that I'm having a pop at the military. I always wear a poppy in November for my grandfather and his service, and I'm very proud of the things he survived. I just don't know that it was good for him. There's a dignity about that now gone Greatest Generation, and I think it's no mistake that most of them were against further conflicts (just enough alive to be horrified by Iraq II), wanted their own kids far away from conscripted service, and built towards that.

Despite his being a real gentleman, I feel like my grandad's chance of full emotional health and ultimately physical health (shrapnel still in there near an artery) was taken without choice. It's a crime (I believe) to steal the ambitions and hopes of youth, or bend it to nationalism by conscripted service for causes that are often opaque at best.

I'm also unsure of its fairness to parents. I know that my own great great grandmother committed suicide after receiving the black edged envelope about her son in WW1. That seems like a waste of two lives. A talented, and by all accounts, outrageous woman, and a young boy who could've gone on to do anything but died in mud and blood. To think how many millions lost like that could've achieved God knows what for humanity, is heartbreaking.

Voluntarily joining a professional armed forces is entirely different, and I'm not naive enough to think they're not needed.

[Devlyn]

It would be stupid of me not to! You've got the gun training!

No, joking aside, I can see some value but many downsides, for very many reasons.

Don't think by saying that I'm having a pop at the military. I always wear a poppy in November for my grandfather and his service, and I'm very proud of the things he survived. I just don't know that it was good for him. There's a dignity about that now gone Greatest Generation, and I think it's no mistake that most of them were against further conflicts (just enough alive to be horrified by Iraq II), wanted their own kids far away from conscripted service, and built towards that.

Despite his being a real gentleman, I feel like my grandad's chance of full emotional health and ultimately physical health (shrapnel still in there near an artery) was taken without choice. It's a crime (I believe) to steal the ambitions and hopes of youth, or bend it to nationalism by conscripted service for causes that are often opaque at best.

I'm also unsure of its fairness to parents. I know that my own great great grandmother committed suicide after receiving the black edged envelope about her son in WW1. That seems like a waste of two lives. A talented, and by all accounts, outrageous woman, and a young boy who could've gone on to do anything but died in mud and blood. To think how many millions lost like that could've achieved God knows what for humanity, is heartbreaking.

I believe that those who enjoy the benefit of a free society owe some debt to the protection of those freedoms. I understand some people don't wish to participate in the military aspect of that, but the troops need toothbrushes too, and driving a truckful of toothbrushes never hurt anyone on either side of the conflict. 

[alex82]

I believe that those who enjoy the benefit of a free society owe some debt to the protection of those freedoms. I understand some people don't wish to participate in the military aspect of that, but the troops need toothbrushes too, and driving a truckful of toothbrushes never hurt anyone on either side of the conflict. 

Without taking away my feelings above. Yes. Here's your Colgate