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Sylvia

Hope I'm ok to post in this section, as a SO, but I need advice.
I've posted before about my partner, who is keen to start HRT, something I have major concerns about. We've kind of reached a head, and I realise that I can't, and have no right to, 'prevent' him from doing so (he still uses male pronouns, before anyone jumps on me).

What I really want to know is, those of you in relationships, when your SO has stayed and supported, how did HRT affect your relationship?

What about sex? We have recently been enjoying a resurgence in our sex life, and it's been wonderful. Admittedly it's been different (much more 'girl-sex') but we are really enjoying it and don't want to lose it. It's very important to both of us. He doesn't want to lose the ability to get erections or ejaculate. I am not that bothered about penetration, but wouldn't want him to ever lose that ability either. I've been following a lot of the stories on here, and see quite a few wives are supportive but very little is ever mentioned about sex. I notice quite a few people say they are asexual or that their wives are not interested in sex, but for those who are active, how did you deal with this aspect on HRT?

I read a lot that libido goes - I would hate that! What can we do to avoid that? I know the sex organs can also shrink a bit, but how much? Does the shrinkage affect performance? Is that permanent?

Bear in mind that he is in his early 60s and I am approaching 60 so we are not in the bloom of youth.

Breasts - I know that they can grow. But how much is likely in a man of that age, who is extremely thin? He doesn't want to come out socially so wouldn't want anything noticeable, but he is completely obsessed with breasts, so some breast growth is one of his major desires. Same with hip and butt - I know that fat is redistributed a bit, but if there is no fat, would he still get curves? He had a brief foray into T-blockers which he got online and there was a noticeable change in his breasts and nipples and they became more sensitive (that is how I knew he was on something). He is no longer taking them.

What about emotions? Can feelings and love change? Can sexual preference change? - he claims he's a lesbian in a man's body (!), but I've also seen that sexual preference can change with HRT.

Behaviour. Is he likely to show any personality changes? I'm not sure I could cope with teenage girl stroppiness (been there done that). Can moods change? Will he suddenly take up knitting and cooking? OK, that's a joke but can behaviour, preferences, likes and dislikes change?

Any other changes that could happen?

I'm just so scared that this could be a complete disaster for our relationship - and so is he- so I'm looking for reassurance. We are very much in love at the moment and getting on better than we have for years and I'm scared to rock the boat.

Just to add, he is not currently seeing a therapist - we have in the recent past, where 'gender fluid' was the term used. He is still very confused about where on the gender spectrum he is, and feels HRT may give him some answers. I feel he is fluid, but leaning more towards the female. He has no intention of ever having SRS. He doesn't have genital dysphoria. He's fond of the 'old boy'.

And also, although it's not been officially diagnosed, we both feel he has Aspergers.

I also know everyone is different, and react in different ways too, but I'd like to know what people's experiences have been.

Would appreciate any advice.

Thanks.
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Jessica

Hi Sylvia 🙋‍♀️ I'm Jessica.  My wife and I are in a similar situation.  I am 61 and I have been on hrt for nearly 9 months now and have been told that if my T range was in the +-24 pg/ml range my libido would still be there.  It is at 21.6, but it's not the overbearing obsession it once was.  Though my wife has gone through menopause. She still enjoys penetrative sex with me, which granted takes a little bit more to get to an aroused state but still functional with orgasms.  I too identify as gender fluid and more on the female side, but I can present as either gender when I want.
Breast development, to a certain degree, will happen, but everyone reacts differently to hormones.  The chance for large breasts is there, but not as likely as a smaller set, which can be passable with some males, but would help with how they feel about their female self.
I still possess my same personality and sexual orientation, but that's me, everyone has a different experience.

Good luck, Jess

"If you go out looking for friends, you are going to find they are very scarce.  If you go out to be a friend, you'll find them everywhere."


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Donna

Quote from: Sylvia on April 08, 2018, 10:13:17 AM
Hope I'm ok to post in this section, as a SO, but I need advice.
I've posted before about my partner, who is keen to start HRT, something I have major concerns about. We've kind of reached a head, and I realise that I can't, and have no right to, 'prevent' him from doing so (he still uses male pronouns, before anyone jumps on me).

What I really want to know is, those of you in relationships, when your SO has stayed and supported, how did HRT affect your relationship?

What about sex? We have recently been enjoying a resurgence in our sex life, and it's been wonderful. Admittedly it's been different (much more 'girl-sex') but we are really enjoying it and don't want to lose it. It's very important to both of us. He doesn't want to lose the ability to get erections or ejaculate. I am not that bothered about penetration, but wouldn't want him to ever lose that ability either. I've been following a lot of the stories on here, and see quite a few wives are supportive but very little is ever mentioned about sex. I notice quite a few people say they are asexual or that their wives are not interested in sex, but for those who are active, how did you deal with this aspect on HRT?

I read a lot that libido goes - I would hate that! What can we do to avoid that? I know the sex organs can also shrink a bit, but how much? Does the shrinkage affect performance? Is that permanent?

Bear in mind that he is in his early 60s and I am approaching 60 so we are not in the bloom of youth.

Breasts - I know that they can grow. But how much is likely in a man of that age, who is extremely thin? He doesn't want to come out socially so wouldn't want anything noticeable, but he is completely obsessed with breasts, so some breast growth is one of his major desires. Same with hip and butt - I know that fat is redistributed a bit, but if there is no fat, would he still get curves? He had a brief foray into T-blockers which he got online and there was a noticeable change in his breasts and nipples and they became more sensitive (that is how I knew he was on something). He is no longer taking them.

What about emotions? Can feelings and love change? Can sexual preference change? - he claims he's a lesbian in a man's body (!), but I've also seen that sexual preference can change with HRT.

Behaviour. Is he likely to show any personality changes? I'm not sure I could cope with teenage girl stroppiness (been there done that). Can moods change? Will he suddenly take up knitting and cooking? OK, that's a joke but can behaviour, preferences, likes and dislikes change?

Any other changes that could happen?

I'm just so scared that this could be a complete disaster for our relationship - and so is he- so I'm looking for reassurance. We are very much in love at the moment and getting on better than we have for years and I'm scared to rock the boat.

Just to add, he is not currently seeing a therapist - we have in the recent past, where 'gender fluid' was the term used. He is still very confused about where on the gender spectrum he is, and feels HRT may give him some answers. I feel he is fluid, but leaning more towards the female. He has no intention of ever having SRS. He doesn't have genital dysphoria. He's fond of the 'old boy'.

And also, although it's not been officially diagnosed, we both feel he has Aspergers.

I also know everyone is different, and react in different ways too, but I'd like to know what people's experiences have been.

Would appreciate any advice.

Thanks.

My wife and I have been married 13 years and of course has her concerns and issues with my changes. She wishes they were not happening but knows they can't be stopped. She is 65 and I'm 62 and we are working on moving forward together. For us intimacy stopped about 6 years ago due to my drive and desire to be truly bizarre sexually. It was my way of hiding the feminine side. When I started blocking T with herbs and the meds I instantly change in mind and body, what was really there came out and I've never been happier. She suspected Estrogen would be on my agenda but didn't understand why if I already had breasts developing. It more than that now that I have opened up my emotions, I can laugh and cry and I have not done that in my previous self. I have become way more caring and feeling and I'm not selfish  and self centred anymore. This is making our bond as partners and girlfriends even stronger, this is how we have decided to see each other. She is concerned about the appearance of being a lesbian couple and she doesn't want that. I am asexual now that I see my true self and that works for us. You need to be ready to talk openly and honestly about any subject that comes up. Don't get angry and make sure you both listen as well as talk. That is so important to moving ahead. As for future surgery etc leave that part open. As hormone change so do thoughts and desires. In December I would not be caught dead in a dress, makeup or long hair. Beginning of March I am in all those and living full time female, I have no plans for SRS either but I don't know how the future will evolve. Moving forward is one little puzzle piece at a time and until you connect them you don't know where they will lead. Good luck and best wishes and try your best to be caring and honest and supportive. Remember he  is still the man you loved and cared for and fell in love with and the feminine side will hopefully make him an even better person, it has with me.
December 2015 noticed strange feelings moving in
December 2016 started to understand what my body has been telling me all my life, started wearing a bra for comfort full time
Spiro and dutastricide 2017
Mid year 2017 Started dressing and going out shopping etc by myself
October T 14.8 / 456
Came out to my wife in December 2017
January 2018 dressing androgenes and still have face hair
Feb 2018 Dressing full time in female clothing out at work and to friends and family, clean shaven and make up
Living full time March 1 2018
March T 7.4 / 236
April 19th eligard injection, no more Testosterone
June 19th a brand new freshly trained HRT and transgender care doctor for me. Only a one day waiting list to become her patient 😍

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bobbisue

     Sylvia My wife and I are in a similar situation a little further along your spouse will change in subtle ways for the most part generally becoming a gentler kinder version of their old self peoples interests change over time but I doubt you will be living with Aunt Mae anytime soon as for sex in my case the desire for penetrative sex has disappeared but my orgasms as a woman are mind blowing and I would never go back I suggest you both consult with a good therapist experienced in these matters and take things as slow as you need transition is not a sprint but rather a marathon [at our age more like a walkathon] I wish you the best time and honest open communication will lead you to where you need to be

     Bobbisue :)
[ gotta be me everyone else is taken ]
started HRT june 16 2017              
Out to all my family Oct 21 2017 no rejections
Fulltime Dec 9 2017 ahead of schedule
First pass Dec 11 2017
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KathyLauren

Quote from: Sylvia on April 08, 2018, 10:13:17 AMI notice quite a few people say they are asexual or that their wives are not interested in sex, but for those who are active, how did you deal with this aspect on HRT?

I am one of those that were pretty close to asexual.  I probably was all along, though I'd say I had lesbian leanings.   Then my wife hit "that age", and she lost her libido.  So now, I'd have to say that I am completely asexual.

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I read a lot that libido goes - I would hate that! What can we do to avoid that? I know the sex organs can also shrink a bit, but how much? Does the shrinkage affect performance? Is that permanent?

Yes, libido is pretty much gone.  I don't even do "self-maintenance" anymore.  Loss of libido is pretty much expected on MTF HRT.

My male bits have shrunk a lot.  They are probably half the size that they were.  I don't get erections any more, and haven't had much interest in trying (though I know I'm supposed to, to preserve "raw material" for surgery), so I don't know if I would even be capable of penetration.

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Bear in mind that he is in his early 60s and I am approaching 60 so we are not in the bloom of youth.

I am 63.

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Breasts - I know that they can grow. But how much is likely in a man of that age, who is extremely thin?

In a little over a year, I have grown to an A cup, and they are still growing, albeit slowly.  I weigh about 150 lbs.

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What about emotions? Can feelings and love change? Can sexual preference change? - he claims he's a lesbian in a man's body (!), but I've also seen that sexual preference can change with HRT.

I feel emotions more than before.  I cry quite easily for happiness as well as sadness.  My feelings and love for my wife have not changed.  They might even be stronger because of her support.  I have heard of people whose sexual preference has changed, but they seem to be in the minority from what I can see.  Most of us seem to keep the same preference.  I used to think I was a straight man.  Now I consider myself a lesbian.  I have no interest in men.

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Behaviour. Is he likely to show any personality changes? I'm not sure I could cope with teenage girl stroppiness (been there done that). Can moods change? Will he suddenly take up knitting and cooking? OK, that's a joke but can behaviour, preferences, likes and dislikes change?

I don't think my personality has changed much.  I am a bit more sociable than I was.  I am happier.   But I am still me.  My interests seem to have changed some.  I have less patience for fiddling with techy stuff.  (I used to be in IT, so techy stuff was my life.) 
2015-07-04 Awakening; 2015-11-15 Out to self; 2016-06-22 Out to wife; 2016-10-27 First time presenting in public; 2017-01-20 Started HRT!!; 2017-04-20 Out publicly; 2017-07-10 Legal name change; 2019-02-15 Approval for GRS; 2019-08-02 Official gender change; 2020-03-11 GRS; 2020-09-17 New birth certificate
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Devlyn

I'll offer my experience on the sexual side.

I went through a period where I had no erections at all but could orgasm and produce small amounts of ejaculate but it just dribbled out. I had an orchiectomy and my hormone levels went to perfect female ranges. Now I can get a pretty good erection, and Viagra keeps it going for awhile. I still orgasm and produce a modest amount of ejaculate. I'm 56.

Good luck, lovebirds!

Hugs, Devlyn
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josie76

I can add my own experiences

Sexual orientation:
I do not think it changes. What does happen is we start to let our societal walls down and open ourselves to what was inside all along. It is being real with ourselves often for the first time in our lives.
All of us humans have internal instincts. Aside from what body form an individual finds attractive, there are other wants. So in my case I always had a strong desire for kids. Not to be a father but to carry a baby inside me. I convinced myself this didn't make sense because I was born with the wrong sexual organs, but that deep desire is present anyway. I will also openly admit that while I still do not find the male form a physical attractive thing, the though of being with a man is mentaly stimulating. For me there is an internal disconnect in my brain. I enjoy being with my wife. None of that has changed. For me sex always required emotional closeness to get started. I was pretty much close to asexual before otherwise.

Sexual genital functioning:
When I started HRT and had just estrogen erections were non existant. When I had the doctor add progesterone, it became possible again. I do not really like getting them however. In order to have penetrative intercourse requires us to be in an emotionally stable place. Again I really need close intamacy before that part will work.
Someone else mentioned orgasms. It is a completely new experience. Its like body and mind are one in the best way possible.

Emotions and Personality:
For me this was the best thing. My wife does not agree.
For my side, my emotions now work seemlessly within my thought processes. I spent my life trying to lock them away but now I am free. Hormones don't nessesarly do anything with that but switching them did make my mind "feel" better. For me it was like background anxiety I didn't even know was there just lifted away. It seems nearly every trans person experiences this feeling once the hormone switch out in their bodies if HRT is right for them. True for FTM and testosterone as it is for MTF and estrogen.

Now that my emotions are at the surface and I am learning to be a complete person, my wife does not always like it. I have an opinion now where before I subjagated my own wishes for others generally all across the board. I denied myself everything I really wanted in life before so I can see why some go all out when they come out of the closet as the saying goes. I have taken up cooking some again. Something I have not done since I was a kid. I do know how to sew and embroider, but also have not done since I was very young. Interests may change. For instance I realized one day at IKEA that I get to explore and let myself pick a favorite color, any color I wanted. No more avoiding feminine colors just because.

Hormone response
That is pretty variable. For fat redistribution to occur he would have to put on weight. Hormones encourange the placing of new fat, they don't take away existing fat. Breasts develop eventually. Some people take low dose HRT and have very small growth. Some on low dose have quick growth. Same for full dosage HRT. I had breast buds before beginning HRT from what is considered gynocamastia (breat growth in men). I actually had small growth as a teenager but then it stopped and did not grow more for decades.
I have had decent breast growth for a year HRT and definately added fat to my rear and thighs. I may be somewhat predisposed to that as my primary doctor suspects I have a form of genetic mild androgen insensativity syndrome. I did gain 30 lbs in the last half of 2017 as I was hurt at work and mostly stuck on a couch, chair, or bed with very limited walking.
04/26/2018 bi-lateral orchiectomy

A lifetime of depression and repressed emotions is nothing more than existence. I for one want to live now not just exist!

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Allison S

I don't have much to add, but reading your post, it's like your thought process is in line with a trans person. Honestly that's shocking for me but it just shows you're a great partner and person.. he's very lucky

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Laurel D

I don't have that much to add to this, because I am still at the beginning of my transition. ( Just started at the end of August 2017.)

My sex drive died months prior to my transition. So I don't think the HRT has helped with that.

My partners sex drive is also dead. We don't know for sure why.

I do have sexual fantasies , which kind of intensified sense starting the HRT, but I'd rather not discuss them( saving that for therapy). But that raw desire for release is mostly gone now. Erections are mostly gone. I occasionally get weak ones, but they fade quickly(phew!!)

My emotional range has increased . I can both laugh and cry a lot more. Overall I feel more like a complete human, rather than a humanoid robot.

But my relationship with my partner is more like a friendship. We talk a lot, but not much about personal things .We barely give each other pecks on the lips and nothing else. ( We are in our mid 30s).

I miss the intimacy, but I have no desire to have penetrative sex. 
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Sylvia

Thanks for all your insightful replies.

Sadly, I don't feel reassured by most of them :(

We are in such a good place at the moment, in terms of love, closeness, intimacy etc it sounds like this could all go to pot. I don't want to lose any of it, it's taken a long time for us to get here (the last few years, while not awful, had been a bit 'meh').

Other than to satisfy his curiosity, I see no advantage of HRT in terms of our relationship.

Back to square one I think....

Another thing I haven't mentioned - which of course is hugely important - is that we have teenage sons, and partner doesn't want them to EVER know about this. How would he hide it from them?

Syl.
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KathyLauren

Quote from: Sylvia on April 09, 2018, 03:38:08 AM
Another thing I haven't mentioned - which of course is hugely important - is that we have teenage sons, and partner doesn't want them to EVER know about this. How would he hide it from them?
I have heard of people in low-dose HRT, but I have no experience with it.  Perhaps the physiological effects would be minimal with your partner.

On a transition dose, it is unlikely that he could keep it a secret for long.  Breast growth can become obvious in a couple of months, and facial changes can be evident in six months.  Similarly, skin and body hair changes can be evident in a couple of months.  Everyone's response is different, of course, but these are typical.

A person should go on HRT with the understanding that these changes may not be hide-able, and they should have a plan to deal with them.  For many of us, that plan involves a social transition.  For someone who wants to remain closeted, the plan should include concealment.
2015-07-04 Awakening; 2015-11-15 Out to self; 2016-06-22 Out to wife; 2016-10-27 First time presenting in public; 2017-01-20 Started HRT!!; 2017-04-20 Out publicly; 2017-07-10 Legal name change; 2019-02-15 Approval for GRS; 2019-08-02 Official gender change; 2020-03-11 GRS; 2020-09-17 New birth certificate
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gallinarosa

No answers, just more questions.

Sylvia, what is the reason your spouse wants to take HRT? If he wants it for the physical changes (you say he would like breasts and more feminine fat distribution), but at the same time feels that your sons can NEVER know, isn't that a bit self-contradictory? It sounds like he needs to think about his goals more and be honest about how to get there and what it means.

Also, I too am a bit saddened by all the lack of intimacy. It seems more prevalent than I would have guessed for couples who have stayed together. Now I understand that many relationships were lacking intimacy for various reason BEFORE HRT came into the picture. My question for those in a sexless marriage is what do you think the cause is: born asexual? developed to be asexual in response to social and genital dysphoria? old age (and menopause)? waning attraction due to changing identity/presentation? HRT mental/emotional effects? HRT physical effects to genitals?

Thanks for the input... and good luck, lovebirds ;-)
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Sylvia

Gallinarosa, he says he wants the HRT mostly for the mental affects, but would like some of the physical stuff too. He says he hopes it will give him peace of mind, in a way, calm him and make him feel 'whole'. At the moment he is still in a state of confusion about what his gender is and he's hoping HRT may give him the answers.

He is only looking at low dose, and he seems to think the physical effects will be minimal and easy to keep hidden.

We have talked about this over and over but he still thinks it will be easily controllable.
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josie76

Sylvia, I have read of a few for which low dose HRT provided them the neurological relief they required. But if he takes HRT and a testosterone blocker, then those body changes will happen. He could try estrogen without T blockers. Keeping some natural T production may help surpress breast development partly. I don't know if that would work for him or not.

04/26/2018 bi-lateral orchiectomy

A lifetime of depression and repressed emotions is nothing more than existence. I for one want to live now not just exist!

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SadieBlake

Hey Sylvia, nice to hear from you .. I know it's not an easy subject. Also, I'm quite certain I've put most of this down in places I think you've read, however I don't mind repeating :-).

I'm also older (61) and also consider myself Aspergian. I'll limit my comments to what I experienced pre-op. In spite of having transitioned surgically, I think your hubs experience and mine are similar in may respects.

For reference I never tried a low dose and the dose that gave me the levels my physician and I agreed were correct target, T was fully suppressed.

My libido took a hit for a few months (wasn't happy about that but it was a good trade off coming as it did with a huge increase in daily peace of mind). I added progesterone at that point (micronized, aka bio-identical) and my libido returned and morphed to something much happier. Might have happened anyway on just E. Some women I know use small doses of testosterone and that almost certainly will increase drive, same is true for many cis women I know.

My testicles shrank quite a lot in the course of a year on E and my scrotal sack became smaller in accommodation. My <shenis> stayed the same except that I used viagra to make erections last better .. which I'd been doing for a couple of years before to help myself stay erect for longer periods before HRT anyway. I'm pretty sure that the only reduction in penis size that MTF women experience is because if you stop having even nocturnal erections then the skin shrinks, limiting the possible size of an erection (and introducing some pain).

The rule of thumb for breasts is to expect to be 1 cup size smaller than the women in one's family. That seems about right in my case, in 2+ years on HRT I now pretty well fill out "B" cups, getting from small  B to full B took an entire year. My breasts still run a little sore but I don't expect to ever be a "C".

I think MTFs are sometimes overwhelmed by the onset of emotions (I wasn't, welcomed that they were more free), I'm sure I didn't have a stroppy phase. Now being lesbian in body, I have realized I knew my lesbian leaning long before I knew I was trans. No, I didn't understand it then but it's clear in hindsight.

Most of us don't change orientation. Stats in this are pretty strong. Now that said, I was bi before transition, what's changed is now I'm actually interested in PIV / anal intercourse with a male. Not the least interested in men romantically and do factor in that I'm sexually voracious so it's not a huge leap for me. Before transition I would have considered it if the stars aligned exactly, now I'm just  a little more inclined.

To clarify,

I'd be 100% ok with sex with women the rest of my life, no need for penis-substitutes. That's 99% of my interest.

I do enjoy using a strapon with my partner and receiving same from her, however ultimately that's <1% of my interest in sex.

I have an almost intellectual curiosity about sex with men. I have had and enjoyed one time so far receptive PIV with my GF's FWB. However I would be fine never doing that again and I'd rate it ~0.1% of my interest.

My single biggest change in sexuality is that I'm less compulsive about it, however I'm also horny more of the time than I used to be and enjoy it more when I have sex play. The difference was, before HRT while sex could be amazing, it just never seemed to satisfy. I spent a lot of my life chasing something that I couldn't find -- being lesbian.


I hope all of that is actually reassuring. it seems clear to me  you're actually in a relationship with a female and however the naughty bits fit together, that's only going to improve as your husband reduces his dysphoria. That may not even require HTR and even at transition doses, little happens in the first couple of months that's not recoverable by stopping. In fact I think everything except breast growth is fully reversible.

This, however, may not be reassuring: for my part I see little reason to go on anything but a transition dose and I don't know that taking estrogen without also suppressing testosterone will result in anything more than a placebo effect ... not knocking that, placebo effect is actually important in medicine. According to my endo, T will always win over E in somatic effect ... then again, she didn't think just E would suppress T for me, however it did and I've never needed spiro.


However, I suggest you be open to it and also that *he* be open to it. It's not going to take long on HRT for him to decide whether it's emotional benefits are worth visible physical change.

For me there was clearly no going back. I knew within a month that HRT would be life-long for me and from then until I was healed enough from my surgery, I had lingering questions about what I was giving up for the positive change. Again, 20:20 hindsight makes it clear.

And suppose I'd not proceeded to GCS due for instance to a medical reason or lack of money / support / resources ... I'd be OK today. Not as happy as I am (It's a hell of a lot easier to be actively lesbian when the bits are correct). However I'm also polyamorous and so continuing my relationship with my GF is working fine. Sure, part of her would rather I still had my <shenis> and for some value of 'good' our sex was maybe best during the months before GCS.

However I'm not your husband and while there are some similarities, the only sea-change for me has been joy in life. My essential desires didn't change, only my ability to fulfill them. So if he still wants to be closeted, clearly that's possible and if you're both happier with him acknowledging him as somehow female, then removing things that are dysphoric seems likely to be positive.acknoweldging

Lastly let me reiterate that being excited rather than paralyzed by the changes is the only advice I'd offer. Things have improved already, I'd expect that to continue.

S


🌈👭 lesbian, troublemaker ;-) 🌈🏳️‍🌈
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Donna

Quote from: Sylvia on April 09, 2018, 09:04:03 AM
Gallinarosa, he says he wants the HRT mostly for the mental affects, but would like some of the physical stuff too. He says he hopes it will give him peace of mind, in a way, calm him and make him feel 'whole'. At the moment he is still in a state of confusion about what his gender is and he's hoping HRT may give him the answers.

He is only looking at low dose, and he seems to think the physical effects will be minimal and easy to keep hidden.

We have talked about this over and over but he still thinks it will be easily controllable.

Just a thought Sylvia. Why not just start out reducing the T only and see if that gives him the piece he needs. If you need to hide it you may be ahead starting out that way. Once breasts start growing there will be no control over how big they get or when they will stop growing after a point and once there you will need an explaination especially come summer time. I've been in low dose since January and I have 40C breasts and there is no hiding them. They started growing after I reduced my T into the 11 range in October 2017 and it's still dropping. That is the unpredictability of this whole process.
December 2015 noticed strange feelings moving in
December 2016 started to understand what my body has been telling me all my life, started wearing a bra for comfort full time
Spiro and dutastricide 2017
Mid year 2017 Started dressing and going out shopping etc by myself
October T 14.8 / 456
Came out to my wife in December 2017
January 2018 dressing androgenes and still have face hair
Feb 2018 Dressing full time in female clothing out at work and to friends and family, clean shaven and make up
Living full time March 1 2018
March T 7.4 / 236
April 19th eligard injection, no more Testosterone
June 19th a brand new freshly trained HRT and transgender care doctor for me. Only a one day waiting list to become her patient 😍

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pamelatransuk

Quote from: gallinarosa on April 09, 2018, 08:55:19 AM
My question for those in a sexless marriage is what do you think the cause is: born asexual? developed to be asexual in response to social and genital dysphoria? old age (and menopause)? waning attraction due to changing identity/presentation? HRT mental/emotional effects? HRT physical effects to genitals?



Gallinarosa

I hope you don't mind me commenting as I am single and have never married and have rare/minor physical attraction to women and zero to men.

You ask a very interesting question and give 6 options essentially for the significant number of asexual transgender members and I truly thank you for raising it. 

I have always known I was trans and since puberty I have "essentially always" known I was asexual and therefore it is either option 1 or 2 for me. I am not certain to what degree if at all whether social/genital dysphoria contributed to my asexuality or whether one is born or to be precise is forever asexual since puberty. Something to ponder over time.

If I were forced to choose between 1 or 2 now, I would on balance say option 1 as although my social/genital dysphoria has always been there, I have never had an appetite for sex anyway.

Thanks for raising this thought provoking point.

Pamela


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Sylvia

Thanks again to all of your replies, especially Sadie, for your detailed and insightful viewpoint.

I sent all the replies to OH in an email (he doesn't do forums) and, while I found most of the replies terrifying and depressing, he thought they were mostly optimistic. Poles apart :(

We are now looking at the possibility of either herbal treatments to start with (and yes I know most of them are useless) or him going back to Gender GP (not ideal) to get started on low dose for a three month trial period. He MUST do it with medical supervision and therapy though, I refuse to allow him to get anything online again.

I feel tired, beaten and terrified. But I will not give up on him.

Syl

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Jessica

Quote from: Sylvia on April 10, 2018, 10:05:14 AM


We are now looking at the possibility of either herbal treatments to start with (and yes I know most of them are useless) or him going back to Gender GP (not ideal) to get started on low dose for a three month trial period. He MUST do it with medical supervision and therapy though, I refuse to allow him to get anything online again.

I feel tired, beaten and terrified. But I will not give up on him.

Syl

You are correct that he should use the medical professional route for medication.  Herbal treatments are not safe as they may be contrary to what a doctor may feel is needed for each individual.  Therapy is vital to realizing objectives.
Three months was enough for me at a low dose to have clarity of mind.  But I responded aggressively to the hrt and physical changes were also a product for me early on.
Ymmv (your mileage may vary) is true with anyone, with different experiences for each.

Good luck!  Jessica

"If you go out looking for friends, you are going to find they are very scarce.  If you go out to be a friend, you'll find them everywhere."


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SadieBlake

Sylvia, go ahead and rip off the band-aid, you're going to learn eventually and for my part I think you'll both be happier.
🌈👭 lesbian, troublemaker ;-) 🌈🏳️‍🌈
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