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Athletic competition with cis men

Started by blackcat, June 02, 2018, 10:46:56 PM

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blackcat

Do any of you do sports, or anything physical, where you are in competition with cis men?

This is my long-term goal... like years out because getting from A to B will take an insane amount of work, in terms of fitness and passing... but I want to get back into martial arts, seriously this time. I dabbled when I was like 19.

I feel like that would be the pinnacle of transition accomplishments... beating up other guys and being beaten up as a guy. >:-) Or maybe I will do something like fencing. Something epic.

Does anyone else have similar goals? Is anyone living the dream? Has anyone embraced their inner ninja?
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eyesk8rboi

I do figure skating and no one has told me yet that I can't compete in the men's division.
It's rough because people will view the T as a performance enhancer, even though that's clearly not the case and we're still at a disadvantage.

In FTM competition with cis men, we're at a disadvantage, and in MTF competition with cis females (depending on the sport / activity) the cis females are at the disadvantage because biological men are generally (obviously no always) more athletically inclined, and built for that sort of thing.

I was born with an athletic body but I'm still NOWHERE on the level that cis men are.
Steven Lee | 24 | Dog Dad | Beginner Figure Skater | Aspiring Writer


:icon_arrow:Started counseling on June 11th, 2017
:icon_arrow:Received HRT Letter on July 2nd, 2017
:icon_arrow:HRT Consultation with Doctor on July 16th, 2017







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Kylo

I don't have much interest in taking up martial arts again just for this sort of thing. I'm a combat pragmatist. That's why I just learned all the critical strike points rather than practicing the flashy moves. Lol.

I like swords and all that... but there's nothing where I am to get into it. I do like to pit myself against nature in search of my dinner though. That solves the old caveman urges on multiple levels. I know plenty of cis men who wouldn't have the endurance for that in the freezing-ass sea water around here for hours, that's for sure. Most guys I know won't even go in.   
"If the freedom of speech is taken away, then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter."
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AquaWhatever

I do Muay Thai so I do spar with cis men and they don't even know I'm trans
So they definitely don't hold back.

I've been on T for about 8 months and can definitely say I can keep up
and hold my own pretty well.
I feel like if i didn't have my binder on I could be even more on par with them.
(Yeah I excercise with my binder and Yeah I know it's dangerous but I will not take it off in front of people for them to know I'm trans or see my moobs)

A weird thing I noticed since starting T is that I feel like my pain tolerance shot up.
I've always been able to take pain a little better then most cis girls, but it's like now I can get hurt and get right back up. Idk if it has to do with the muscle growth or whatever but so far I don't see why you can't compete with cis guys.
We are somewhat at a disadvantage because bone structure, other then that with testosterone you can still be a beast. You just gotta work a little harder for it.
I wanted to do bjj but I probably won't until I have too surgery due to all the grabbing 👀
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blackcat

I feel like it would be really empowering with the whole discipline/confidence thing, too. Half the battle would be me vs. self and finding the guts just to do it.

One of the biggest things I've been realizing in preparation to transitioning is that I can do anything.

"I can't do this because..." [actually, there is no reason. How about that?]

I don't have to live using video games as a washed out surrogate for the desires that have been in my heart.

Maybe I WILL get beaten up, but if I'm going to go as far as transitioning, why quit?

I'm just rambling, but this is totally the holy grail of my second chance at life goals.

Kylo, in cold water, I would still scream like a girl.  ;D
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eyesk8rboi

Quote from: AquaWhatever on June 03, 2018, 11:37:34 AM(Yeah I excercise with my binder and Yeah I know it's dangerous but I will not take it off in front of people for them to know I'm trans or see my moobs)

I'm sure it depends on the binder...but the only thing I don't consciously do in mine is sleep, (and somethimes I do that to, not all night, just falling asleep / snoozing on the couch).

Anything that you can do comfortably in one is safe, but if you feel a limit don't push it.
Steven Lee | 24 | Dog Dad | Beginner Figure Skater | Aspiring Writer


:icon_arrow:Started counseling on June 11th, 2017
:icon_arrow:Received HRT Letter on July 2nd, 2017
:icon_arrow:HRT Consultation with Doctor on July 16th, 2017







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SeptagonScars

My plan is quite similar to yours. 2 months ago, I started exercising by swimming and very recently also weight lifting to get in shape and build some muscle. That's also great for practicing how to handle using men's locker rooms and showers without panicking. Cause then I also plan on getting into martial arts. Specifically karate. That was a huge passion for me in my teens and childhood after watching movies like "Mortal Combat", and I practiced it at a local organisation at ages 13 through 15, 2-3 times a week consistently and totally loved it. That was long before my transitioning and coming out, so I did that "as a girl" back then, and got up to 6th kyu grade which was green belt in that particular style of karate. After I quit due to my declining mental health, I always wanted to go back to it again someday when I felt better and could focus. That was 13 years ago now.

Now most of my transition is done, as I've been on T for almost 6 years, had top surgery 4 years ago and only have hysto left to go as far as I want to go with my transition. My mental health has gotten a lot better and keeps getting better, and I definitely want to go back to karate again! I just want to get more fit for it first, likely decrease my smoking a bit or a lot, also practice my balance and flexibility first as well, and also want to wait with starting until after I've had my hysto and that having healed properly. That op should likely happen end of this year or beginning of next, according to my guesstimations. So my thought is hopefully I can start karate by next fall, as the place/organisation I've been looking into only takes in new-comers at start of fall term each year.

I definitely like the idea of becoming somewhat of a professional fighter but for me it's more about seeing what my body can do, learning to control it well, also self defense is never a bad thing to know and karate is more focused on defense than offense, and I think it will be a great spiritual journey as well to grow more as a person, and then ofc just having lots of fun with it. Bonus would be meeting new friends as well and just having some activity to do in my never-ending amount of free-time.

I see it more as a "life accomplishment" for me and something I've been looking forward to as a part of my life post-transition when fully passing and not having worry about taking time off for surgeries, rather than it being part of my transition. But I do see me building muscle to look more masculine and doing something about my curves as part of my transition.

I'm not sure if or when I'd get into actual competing though. As far as I remember that wasn't really an option until you get up to like 6th or 5th kyu grades (it counts downwards) which takes years to reach even if you're a fast learner like me, and since it was so long ago for me I'm likely gonna have to start from scratch again. I'm glad my old gi and other gear still fits though. Also this will be another style of karate than the one I practiced in the past, due to a lack of availability where I live now, but seems to be quite similar. The one I used to practice was Shotokan, the one I'm looking into is Kyokushin.

As for competition though, I did do a little bit of that in the past when I was still in "girl mode" during my last 6 months of it or so, but it was mixed gender fighting. So, I mostly did that with cis men cause of them being very over-represented, and only occasionally with cis women as there were a lot fewer of them attending. Karate is not like perhaps most other forms of martial arts; men and women do get pretty much equal there as it's mostly not physical strength you're using. Sometimes women can have advantage even, cause of generally being more flexible. I had an advantage over several cis guys of my grade back then, despite being a tiny thing on estrogen, because I had better technique and greater lower body core strength. However, men more commonly choose that sport than women do.

So I think it's probably a great choice of sport for trans people, and makes me not worry at all about possibly competing with cis men in the future. However, competition in and of itself is not something I'm feeling super hyped about. It can be fun at times, but I'm not really a competitive person in general.

Also, I wouldn't have any issue to consider being out as trans at karate if that would seem like a good idea for whatever reason. I'm not stealth, out of choice, so. But then I wouldn't want to be treated as "weaker" or more sensitive than cis guys, so I might want to keep my mouth shut about being trans for that sake. But mostly on that note, I'll just take things as they come.
Mar. 2009 - came out as ftm
Nov. 2009 - changed my name to John
Mar. 2010 - diagnosed with GID
Aug. 2010 - started T, then stopped after 1 year
Aug. 2013 - started T again, kept taking it since
Mar. 2014 - top surgery
Dec. 2014 - legal gender marker changed to male
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Jul. 2018 - came out as cis woman and began detransition
Sep. 2018 - stopped taking T and changed my name to Laura
Oct. 2018 - got new ID-card

Medical Detransition plans: breast reconstruction surgery, change legal gender back to female.
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Kylo

I would just be aware that our skulls, bones and joints are not as strong on average as any cis man's and it would be wise to assume they should take less punishment in that regard. And for the same reason as any guy my height I'm not about to go tangle with a six-foot-four brick craphouse unless I'm about to fight real dirty.

For the same reason I wonder how it can possibly make good sense for transwomen to go box cis women in the ring. If your body structure has a biological advantage or disadvantage off the bat like that which hormones cannot necessarily equalize. But hey, transmen should do what they want and take the risks they want. If they can compete in combative sports with cis men that's great. I've always been for that sort of thing - if you can qualify and keep up with the competition, what should stop you? 
"If the freedom of speech is taken away, then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter."
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