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How do you explain to Cis what it feels like to be trans?

Started by Antonia J, June 14, 2013, 08:36:48 AM

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ChrissyRyan

Susan, as one would expect, again writes well.  I will add that for my part, there was an overwhelming sense of calmness after I accepted myself as a transgender person.  I was struggling much with living out my birth gender, trying to fit in.  Gender therapy helped. 

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ChrissyRyan

I am unsure if a a CIS person would be able to completely be able to comprehend what it is like to be a transsexual or any type of transgender person.  However many would try to understand if they are interested and you wish to share out.


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Lori Dee

I recently had a conversation with a guy and I explained it like this:

He was saying that he is the "alpha male" type, but not arrogantly and aggressively. He knows he is definitely alpha and can walk into any room, look around at everyone, and know that he is the alpha.

I told him that it was wonderful that he knew himself so well. Now imagine knowing this with every fiber of your being. Then you look in the mirror and you do not feel that reflection is you. It is like someone else is staring back at you. How would that make you feel?

He said that would be scary and very uncomfortable. I said THAT is what Gender Dysphoria feels like. But it is not just a face in the mirror, it is also a body that we can't really relate to. It doesn't feel right. Some people can shrug it off. Others are deeply disturbed by it.

He agreed that he would find it deeply upsetting. So I asked him, "Would it be upsetting enough that you would try to change it?"

He said, "Yes, of course."
"Even to the point of having surgery?"

He said he was beginning to understand now. He pointed out that even cis-men disapprove of their appearance and do things like taking steroids, weightlifting, or getting hair transplants.

I said, now imagine that the government has decided for you to do that was illegal. What if you were stuck with staying exactly the way you looked when you were born? What if the government decided that if you were born a redhead, you must stay a redhead your entire life, even if people harassed you for it? What if the government decided that when you got married, your wife could not change her name, and that she had to keep the name she was born with under any circumstances?

These are the kinds of issues that we deal with in the LGBTQ+ community because some politicians have decided they know better about how we should live our lives.
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ChrissyRyan

Is the term GG for "genuine girl" I think, still alive?  By genuine, that means CIS female.

I feel like a girl, a woman, and that is genuine to me.

I go to the mirror and see a woman.  I do not see the guy anymore.  Unless I am having a very bad day with a strong case of dysphoria or maybe look like I need a lot of sleep!

But I am a female.  It is hard to be transitioning at many times though... so many issues there have been.

Chrissy


Always stay cheerful, be polite, kind, and understanding. Accepting yourself as the woman you are is very liberating.  Never underestimate the appreciation and respect of authenticity.  Help connect a person to someone that may be able to help that person.  Be brave, be strong.  A TRUE friend is a treasure.  Relationships are very important, people are important, and the sooner we all realize that the better off the world will be.  Try a little kindness.  Be generous with your time, energy, wisdom, and resources.   Inconvenience yourself to help someone.   I am a brown eyed, brown haired woman. 
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Sephirah

In my experience, you cannot do this. Or.. rather you can try to explain it to people but 90% of the time they will not get it. Knowing something is one thing. Understanding it is quite another.

People who are not trans have no frame of reference. It's been my experience that any attempt to try is futile. What you have to do, instead, is try to explain to people that you know how you feel. You know what's going on inside yourself, and you know what you need to do to make changes in your life to be happy. You have to be okay with the fact that people won't get it. Won't understand. You just have to work at relationships in your life to the point that they get that you do understand. And respect that you know what's best for you. People don't need to get what it feels like to be you. They just need to get that you know what it feels like to be you. Just as you need to get what it feels like for them to be them. It's mutual respect.
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Sarah B

Hi Everyone

How do you explain to Cis what it feels like to be trans? I don't, why?

Since I do not tell anyone about my past life or my associated medical history in how I changed my life around all they know is I'm a female.  The only exceptions are on occasion with some family members and I only share this information with certain medical professionals like General Practitioners or specialists, when it is absolutely needed.

In the few conversations with close family members, no one has asked that question or about my gender identity and the closest one has come to it, has been,  "how long have I known that I was female" or something similar and I have shared with them that I felt this way since I was about five years old and I have always longed to be female.

The above does not negate what would happen in the future if such a situation arises. I would say, I was born this way regardless of how it happened.  I have always been female in my mind,  regardless of what my body was or is and that, I have always been me.  It's just like you know who you are in your own mind.

Should the words 'transgender' or 'transition' or other similar 'trans' words come up, I would say, I do not subscribe to those words as I always see myself as a female, regardless of what the community uses and if need be, explain why.

Take care and all the best for the future.

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SoupSarah

You don't

You don't know what it feels like to be anyone else - so how can you tell anyone what it feels like to be a whole sector of society..

You can tell someone how your feeling - you can inquire how they are feeling - Trying anything else will only enable people to use imagination to fill in the blanks and thus would never truly 'know' what it feels like. Just as you don't know how it feels to be them.. I don't think gender even comes into the question here.

However, I have been asked this question by a few people - and my simplistic response is to ask them to think they have a body opposite to the gender they claim to be. Ask them to consider (in the case of a male) putting on makeup everyday*, never being able to stand to pee*, being weaker than most*, not being considered bright enough to understand 'technical' things and having their pay cut by 20%*"

In fact, my daughter, when she was 12 came to me to tell me she thought she was male - I was going through a transition at the time, they were teaching about trans* issues at school. I was, of course, very kind and accepting of my child and their self discovery - I also felt I had a pretty good handle on the whole thing - by gently questioning her about what she disliked by being a girl and what she thought meant she was male, by getting her to imagine what life would be like as a man - it soon became obvious to us both that she was very much a female and it gave us a great opportunity to explore what that means and how that should not be limiting in life choices or possibilities. The fact that she saw herself in the future as a mother and not a father role and liked to dress in pretty clothing and generally had shown no male tendencies  ever, even though I made sure she never had 'gendered' toys and could pick and choose all her toys and activities herself (For her birthday's we would go to a giant toystore and she would have a budget to buy what she wanted - I insisted she went down the boys aisles as well as all the others - just to get a good taste of everything available. I was so limited in my upbringing that I never had those opportunities and I was going to make sure my child had them, just in case we had their gender wrong.


*I KNOW exceptions abound in these stereotypical responses - please don'1t waste your time trying to educate me.
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Quote from: SoupSarah on September 05, 2024, 08:56:40 PMYou don't

You don't know what it feels like to be anyone else - so how can you tell anyone what it feels like to be a whole sector of society..

You can tell someone how your feeling - you can inquire how they are feeling - Trying anything else will only enable people to use imagination to fill in the blanks and thus would never truly 'know' what it feels like. Just as you don't know how it feels to be them.. I don't think gender even comes into the question here.

However, I have been asked this question by a few people - and my simplistic response is to ask them to think they have a body opposite to the gender they claim to be. Ask them to consider (in the case of a male) putting on makeup everyday*, never being able to stand to pee*, being weaker than most*, not being considered bright enough to understand 'technical' things and having their pay cut by 20%*"

In fact, my daughter, when she was 12 came to me to tell me she thought she was male - I was going through a transition at the time, they were teaching about trans* issues at school. I was, of course, very kind and accepting of my child and their self discovery - I also felt I had a pretty good handle on the whole thing - by gently questioning her about what she disliked by being a girl and what she thought meant she was male, by getting her to imagine what life would be like as a man - it soon became obvious to us both that she was very much a female and it gave us a great opportunity to explore what that means and how that should not be limiting in life choices or possibilities. The fact that she saw herself in the future as a mother and not a father role and liked to dress in pretty clothing and generally had shown no male tendencies  ever, even though I made sure she never had 'gendered' toys and could pick and choose all her toys and activities herself (For her birthday's we would go to a giant toystore and she would have a budget to buy what she wanted - I insisted she went down the boys aisles as well as all the others - just to get a good taste of everything available. I was so limited in my upbringing that I never had those opportunities and I was going to make sure my child had them, just in case we had their gender wrong.


*I KNOW exceptions abound in these stereotypical responses - please don'1t waste your time trying to educate me.

Sarah, all I want to say is that I think you are a truly amazing mother, and I wish I had had someone like you in my life. That's all. You are one in a billion. And thank you for being who you are with your little girl. Some people have this gift some people don't. I don't. You do. You have this in abundance. And I thank you for that. You are amazing, and if your little girl is even 1/10th the person you are, she is amazing too.
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If you're dealing with self esteem issues, maybe click here. There may be something you find useful. :)
Above all... remember: you are beautiful, you are valuable, and you have a shining spark of magnificence within you. Don't let anyone take that from you. Embrace who you are. <3
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Quote from: Sephirah on September 05, 2024, 09:28:46 PMSarah, all I want to say is that I think you are a truly amazing mother, and I wish I had had someone like you in my life. That's all. You are one in a billion. And thank you for being who you are with your little girl. Some people have this gift some people don't. I don't. You do. You have this in abundance. And I thank you for that. You are amazing, and if your little girl is even 1/10th the person you are, she is amazing too.

My daughter is more than I ever will be and I am humbled to be called 'mother' by her.
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Sephirah

Quote from: SoupSarah on September 05, 2024, 09:32:42 PMMy daughter is more than I ever will be and I am humbled to be called 'mother' by her.

I doubt that, sweetie. You give her foundation. Grounding. The person she looks to in order to strive to who she wants to be. I think you are special to give her that foundation. To give her someone she can come to. You are the one who makes the next Lara Croft ;)

You should be proud. As someone who never had kids, who can't deal with kids... you are a testament to everything good in the world when it comes to nurturing someone, Sarah. To guide them based on what you've been through and trying to steer them away from that. But with kindness. With gentleness and understanding. Not passing down things you've been through down... which is oh so easy to do. My dad did it.

Sarah, you are someone everyone should aspire to be. I mean that. <3
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imallie

Early on when a friend asked what it felt like to be trans growing up... so NOT what it feels like to be living now as an out trans woman. Those, I think, are wildly different things. Here's how I answered his question:

Imagine you're given a role to play in a show. You get really good at playing this person, so good that everyone sees you as this person...so good that you can ALMOST think like this person... but yet you always know, of course, that underneath the makeup and costume and scripts it's still you.

However, slowly you realize that everyone else sees ONLY the character. They actually think you ARE the character, and as far as they're concerned that's who you are and have always been, and there's nothing you can do to change their minds. To make them remember. Nothing.

Yes, it's like an old Twilight Zone story... but when you get to THAT point? THAT is the trans experience. Where only you can see the person you are, and you feel trapped playing this role so you can fit into society and not upset or lose all your friends and family. And it feels like a waking nightmare.

Sephirah

Quote from: imallie on September 05, 2024, 09:44:20 PMEarly on when a friend asked what it felt like to be trans growing up... so NOT what it feels like to be living now as an out trans woman. Those, I think, are wildly different things. Here's how I answered his question:

Imagine you're given a role to play in a show. You get really good at playing this person, so good that everyone sees you as this person...so good that you can ALMOST think like this person... but yet you always know, of course, that underneath the makeup and costume and scripts it's still you.

However, slowly you realize that everyone else sees ONLY the character. They actually think you ARE the character, and as far as they're concerned that's who you are and have always been, and there's nothing you can do to change their minds. To make them remember. Nothing.

Yes, it's like an old Twilight Zone story... but when you get to THAT point? THAT is the trans experience. Where only you can see the person you are, and you feel trapped playing this role so you can fit into society and not upset or lose all your friends and family. And it feels like a waking nightmare.


Very good analogy. :)
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If you're dealing with self esteem issues, maybe click here. There may be something you find useful. :)
Above all... remember: you are beautiful, you are valuable, and you have a shining spark of magnificence within you. Don't let anyone take that from you. Embrace who you are. <3
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Michelle Duff explained it best. Imagine you've been given 2 left shoes & you're told to walk& run in them. That was what life was like as Mike!