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Started by Natasha, December 30, 2007, 10:49:48 AM

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Susan Stanton's lonely transformation

http://www.sptimes.com/2007/12/31/Life/Susan_Stanton_s_lonel.shtml
By LANE DeGREGORY, Times Staff Writer
12/31/2007

SARASOTA -- Every morning, Susan Stanton wakes early and takes three pills. They help her suppress who she was and become the person she believes she should be.

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Hazumu

"But I don't blame the human rights groups from separating the transgender people from the protected groups. Most Americans aren't ready for us yet," Susan says. Transgender people need to be able to prove they're still viable workers -- especially in the mainstream. "

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<SNARK>
Thank You Very Much, Susan Stanton...
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Karen
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Kate

Her words... her tone is very worrisome now. If something doesn't change for her very soon, I don't know if she's going to make it.

~Kate~
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tekla

She does not seem like anyone I would ever want to meet.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Kate

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Natasha

well, she's scared.  she faced too much red tape when she was "steve".  she'll make it just fine like all of us did.
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Kate

Quote from: Natasha on December 30, 2007, 10:26:45 PM
well, she's scared.  she faced too much red tape when she was "steve".  she'll make it fine just like all of us did.

I sure hope so. She went through SO much, and was such an incredibly classy lady in spite of all the venom being thrown her way.

But I worry about statements like:

Quote"If I have no more professional existence," Susan says, "I will end it. I couldn't live like that."

"And I wasn't born a woman, so I can never be a real one."

I wish we could get her to join here somehow...

~Kate~
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Natasha

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Quote from: Kate on December 30, 2007, 10:33:46 PM
Quote from: Natasha on December 30, 2007, 10:26:45 PM
well, she's scared.  she faced too much red tape when she was "steve".  she'll make it fine just like all of us did.

I sure hope so. She went through SO much, and was such an incredibly classy lady in spite of all the venom being thrown her way.

But I worry about statements like:

Quote"If I have no more professional existence," Susan says, "I will end it. I couldn't live like that."

"And I wasn't born a woman, so I can never be a real one."


~Kate~

point taken.  but we've got to understand that she's lost so much.  i wouldn't be surprised if she's in a very depressive state right now.

Quote from: Kate on December 30, 2007, 10:33:46 PM
I wish we could get her to join here somehow...


there are quite a few vocal members here, activists i mean.  maybe they could try to contact her somehow.  i'm sure they'd know how.
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BeverlyAnn

Quote from: Kate on December 30, 2007, 10:02:12 PM
Her words... her tone is very worrisome now. If something doesn't change for her very soon, I don't know if she's going to make it.

~Kate~

I agree with Kate.  Two comments tell me she's in serious trouble.
"I'd rather die than go back to being Steve," Susan says. But she says losing her professional standing "hurts in ways I never could have imagined."
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"If I have no more professional existence," Susan says, "I will end it. I couldn't live like that."
Those along with the talk about loneliness and loss of all her friends don't bode well for her future.

Beverly
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Shana A

I truly hope the best for Ms Stanton, however her trans consciousness could use some serious raising. Perhaps she might consider reading Julia Serano's Whipping Girl.

y2g
"Be yourself; everyone else is already taken." Oscar Wilde


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Susan

Quote from: Kate on December 30, 2007, 10:33:46 PM
I wish we could get her to join here somehow...

~Kate~

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BeverlyAnn

Quote from: Natasha on December 30, 2007, 10:43:15 PM
Quote from: Kate on December 30, 2007, 10:33:46 PM
I wish we could get her to join here somehow...


there are quite a few vocal members here, activists i mean.  maybe they could try to contact her somehow.  i'm sure they'd know how.

I sent her an e-mail inviting her to visit and join us here.

Beverly
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Kate

I just hope that if she DOES join, she'll be treated as Susan... and not as a transsexual activist who "owes the community" anything more. I think she's done quite enough already.

It sounds like she's realizing that the spotlight has moved on, and now it's time to just live her life. But as a woman, not a transsexual, not an activist, not as "that transsexual from Largo," not part of a "transsexual community," but as just another woman now.

~Kate~
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Natasha

Quote from: Kate on December 30, 2007, 11:27:21 PM
I just hope that if she DOES join, she'll be treated as Susan... and not as a transsexual activist who "owes the community" anything more. I think she's done quite enough already.

It sounds like she's realizing that the spotlight has moved on, and now it's time to just live her life. But as a woman, not a transsexual, not an activist, not as "that transsexual from Largo," not part of a "transsexual community," but as just another woman now.

~Kate~

i concord.  ha ha ha ha very good point! ;)
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kimmie

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Hazumu

I'm all for the idea of inviting her to the forum!

But I wish to suggest a couple of things:

-Have only one member sponsor her -- teach her the ropes, etc.

-Have her register under a pseudonym, so that she can be herself and not "that famous person." 

She didn't ask for or seek out the celebrity, she was shoved in, chewed up thoroughly and spit out. 

I think it would help her immensely to leave that baggage behind when she visits Susans.

Karen
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SusanK

Quote from: Karen on December 31, 2007, 12:16:27 AM
She didn't ask for or seek out the celebrity, she was shoved in, chewed up thoroughly and spit out. 

What? She walked into the city council meeting with her eyes wide open and knew the possibilities and probabilities, or else she was either very naive, blind or worse. She had a low six figure income and still has an excellent resume, and she can't find a good job recruiter? She has a year severance pay, gets money for speaking engagements and the documentary (I've read they're paying her srs), and she's worried about money? Like she understands the real world of most transwomen?

I'm sorry, the article has a lot of "Huh?" questions in it because she expressed little insight into the transcommunity and repeated some rhetoric from the HRC, such as:

Quote"But I don't blame the human rights groups from separating the transgender people from the protected groups. Most Americans aren't ready for us yet," Susan says. Transgender people need to be able to prove they're still viable workers -- especially in the mainstream.

"The biggest issue against the federal legislation is that politicians think the ladies' rooms will be invaded by guys in drag," Susan says, "instead of someone like me."

And we're supposed to say it's ok for a newcomer to say this in the public spotlight (being invited to testify and speak "for us") without being angry or hurt by her words? And we're supposed to accept her discrimination about transwomen who have problems because she thinks she's better and passes?

She's not aware of all the transwomen who have lead very successful lives, many in stealth mode, but still totally integrated into the world? She's not aware of all the public transwomen who have been excellent examples of transwomen (Lynn Conway's Website) and don't denigrate the community and members in the press?

She may be a good example for trans-inclusion in ENDA, and she testified before Congress for this, but then she says she "understands" why it "we're" the problem. What didn't she know about doing her homework? She expected her experience to be representative of the community? Give me a break.

I wish her the best, but I think she needs to become normal and get out of the spotlight so she can find a job and have a life, or decide the public forum is her new life, and then be ready for the fireworks for and against her. And she hasn't been off to a good start of her own making.

And I don't have any sympathy or empathy for her. She made her choices and created her situation, and if she wasn't ready for the criticism, then she shouldn't have stepped into the spotlight. All she has to do is say "No, thanks, I'm not giving any interviews." How hard is that?

I do think inviting her here, Helen's or Calpernia' forums will help (I'm not sure she's ready for Calpernia's unless she develops some thicker skin) is a good idea and will help to educate and inform her where she'll see more of the community. She needs help, but more importantly, in my view, needs a reality check about life and the real transcommunity.

--Susan--
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Sandy

I am disappointed in her belief that somehow we must prove our worth as citizens and workers before we are worthy of protection.  It seems shortsighted somehow.

HOWEVER!  This woman has done more to bring transsexual awareness to the forefront of current society since Rene Richards or Christine Jorgensen.

She did NOT ask to be in the spotlight!  She did not set out to cause a ruckus.  Her belief was that it would be a simple and hopefully quiet transition.  And she had the background support of her peers prior to the story breaking on CNN.

It was the fundies that made a big deal of it, calling her sick and deviant.  Yet she stood there and took all they could throw at her and never once retaliated in kind.  I respect that.  I don't know that I could have done the same in my transition.  Also if you look at the comments of the news story it still seems that most of the people who read the article are all thinking she is still a man, that being transsexual is a choice and that having GRS is mutilation.

Personally, I think she should move out of that redneck state and to one that is more understanding.

If she comes here, absolutely I would agree that she should have as much anonimity as she wants/needs.  To me she is just another woman trying to make it in the world and that I can respect!

-Sandy
Out of the darkness, into the light.
Following my bliss.
I am complete...
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Kate

Quote from: Kassandra on December 31, 2007, 10:27:43 AM
I am disappointed in her belief that somehow we must prove our worth as citizens and workers before we are worthy of protection.  It seems shortsighted somehow.

Yea, I thought that was an odd comment from her. It sounds like her self-esteem has been shaken, and she's starting to believe her crtitics were right. I'm not a fan of an inclusive-ENDA, but I was surprised to hear HER say that.

STILL, I think she needs to get away from the Transsexual Community and start living her life as Susan now. Sooner or later she has to realize that The Community is just using her to further it's own ends and agenda. And I suspect she's beginning to see that now, and compounded with the loss of her job and friends/family, doesn't know where to turn now for support.

As for her job problems, well... welcome to womanhood, Susan, lol. I don't think it's simply a trans problem for her, it's just the same problem many women face in trying to prove themselves as professionals. I suspect I'd encounter the same difficulties if I ever have to find work in the computer field.

Oh, and yes... I sent her an email last night, and suggested she join anonymously. I'd hate to see her pounced on by people feeling a need to "educate" her on trans awareness, etc. The woman deserves to live for herself now.

~Kate~
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Joyce

She's over on Jennifer Boylan's discussion boards, http://jenniferboylan.net/paranormal/, but has only posted an introduction, and I'd be surprised if she posts any others. 
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