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I've ignored being trans and it worked until it didn't

Started by Ron, August 05, 2018, 10:41:02 PM

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Ron

I really don't understand any of this. I'm not totally naive to transgender issues and never gave up my support of transgender people. This thread is just personal feelings and it's not directed towards anyone trans.

Let's say that I'm a cis woman because that's how I've been for the past 4 years. If you look at my account age, you will see that I've identified as trans in the past, but I am coming to you here today as a non trans identified person.

When I felt I was transgender 6 years ago, it was a major relief and things made sense. I wan as a man at first, then genderfluid and then I got uncomfortable, so I'm this woman again that I've been for a while.

The pain was too intense and to be honest it weirded me out to talk to non transgender people about how I identify and not because I was afraid of not being accepted, but because of dysphoria and being seen as a fetish. Anything slightly sexual can make me heave UNLESS it's with a partner I've been with for a while.

It's the same thing about bisexuality, when I was 15 and 16 I followed so many lesbians and studs on YouTube, wanted a masculine woman and now I can't see that at all, I can't see myself with a woman at all.

Long story short. I am developing feelings for a male who isn't always masculine presented and I'm getting those feelings that I thought died years ago, like intense gender dysphoria,  that feels worse than my personal depression. It feels like someone holding me down drowning me. The mirror is my enemy even though I think I'm attractive, the image it's just not right sometimes. The same thing with certain body parts.

I understand the importance of labels and I know some people may or may not feel me on this when I say I don't like any catagory including cis. So people may say, "big whoop, then don't do what makes you feel uncomfortable" It's just when dysphoria hits years after suppressing it and how I think of myself mentally vs the mirror doesn't add up. So I'm like wtf? Am I a self hating transgender person? I don't feel like it. What the hell?

I'm just wondering how many other people have felt similar. I don't understand, yeah I call myself cis to throw in context and I don't know why these feelings came rolling back like thunder just when I'm attracted to a feminine man.

Whatever insight harsh, really mean or caring I'm open to it because I believe we all have a universe within ourselves, that's the beauty of being human and the frustrating thing of being so complex. I'm in a stage of "purgatory" which feels worse than hell right now. I've meditated, journaled and it didn't help much. I hate to say it, but I would be honest in saying that I feel lost with all of this.
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Jessica

Hi Ron, I do understand the uncertainties of gender and how it can relate to sexuality and how you see yourself.  In my relationship, I am the feminine one and my wife portrays a more masculine entity.  This is just the way we are, there was no thought about it, we were attracted to each other.
I've gone through the gambit of who am I, and have passed through stages of learning about myself, ultimately realizing that I've been playing my uncertified gender roll for all these years correctly, and she hers. But sexually we are attracted to each other, it has nothing to do with gender identification.
Does this hit on what you are pointing out in your query?

Hugs, Jess

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Ron

Aw thanks Jess!

I can have hyper feminine traits, I don't really associate that with being a woman, I just love dressing myself up. When it comes to certain masculine roles/traits it can be very triggering and it's weird that I know a man can be many things, but I personally get dysphoria.

I'm trying to learn why these feeling just pop up agian when I see a guy who likes women and is feminine and why I fall into that gender role and start seeing myself in a different body vs being a masculine "cis" woman? I don't know, could a gender therapist help me? I already have too many problems, but if I need to seek out a help group then I will, but I don't want to go to other peoples spaces and that space is specific to them.

I just personally have a past where I was seeking testosterone, my chest binder is deep in my closet still and my old name is my username. I'm called something more feminine now, but for the sake of anonymity I'll be called "Ron".  I've been what one would call cis for a while, and happy, no dysphoria and out of no where a "bus" hits me again, but I don't want to take the bus.

That bus as a metaphor for being a trans man, because I wasn't happy back then. I was in and out of hospitals, just a horrible point in my life trying to transition, I talked to inpatient therapist about it, but it felt very weird, so it made dysphoria worse to the point it became too much and almost overdosed. It was very stressful.

Attraction of all things trigger me, when I've gone years without being "Ron". I'm just exhusted with whatever this dysphoric BS is and I'm terrified honestly.
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KathyLauren

Hi, Ron.

I can't tell you if you are trans or not, but if you are indeed experiencing dysphoria, even if it is only sometimes, then you probably are.  Whether you are FTM, non-binary, gender-fluid, or whatever, it sounds like you are in there somewhere.  That will be something for you to figure out.

Gender identity is totally separate from sexual attraction.  Trans people can be gay or straight, just as cis people can be gay or straight, and every combination in between, so your attractions tell you nothing about your identity.

You ask if it would help to see a gender therapist.  YES!  It sounds to me like you really need to see one, to help you sort out the confusion.

As for why the dysphoria comes back, that's the thing about it: it always comes back until you do something about it.  It doesn't go away, and it tends to get stronger with age.

Good luck on your journey!
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Allison S

Well I can say I'm a trans mtf. I think I should've been born a cis female who can play with "masculinity" and still be seen as female.
Unfortunately I was born male and thus if I have short hair or dress in men's clothing (none really fit me the way I like anyway) then I'll just be seen as well.. male.

Another part of my dysphoria has to do with not having a vagina and the functioning that goes with it. I don't consider myself masculine, even if I tried. But having the option as a female to play with gender roles seems like such a luxury to me.
I do envy women who do that already and sometimes even ftm who started with a female body.

This all really messed me up for a while. I don't know when I'll get better about all this though.

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Sephirah

Sweetie the first thing I'll say is that it's very likely a gender therapist could help you. Even if just to talk everything through with and get a fresh perspective on. I think it would be worth trying to get in touch with one and telling them how you feel.

Something kinda leaps out at me from your post. This person you're attracted to. It strikes me that he embodies everything you wanted to be, at one time in your life. See the thing about feeling things is that we never forget we felt them. Even if, later on down the road, we don't follow those feelings anymore. For that time in your life, they were there. They were real. And the memory of that never really goes away.

It's not my place to tell you if you're trans or not, Ron. That's not really something I, or anyone else here can do. That's something that has to come from you and you alone. But from what you have said in your posts, this guy is taking you back to a place where you felt that way. Whether you still do or not. Just by virtue of who he is, it's making you remember, and it's making you think about it. With memory comes emotion associated with that memory. It's not enough to just remember something, we have to feel how we felt then too, because that's how the mind locks our experiences in place.

It's like... hmm... have you ever smelled a smell that reminded you of something? Like... for me the smell of floor cleaner always makes me think of school. First thing in the morning after the cleaners had left, and the corridors smelled like that. Every time I smell that I'm taken straight back there, with a lot of the emotions that went with that time in my life. Memory is more than just an image. It's a plethora of sensations all locked up with a lot of triggers, to help us remember. Maybe this is what's happening in your case.

It's possible that in this guy, you see one way your life could have gone. One person you could have been. And how he interacts with the world. Like if your life branched off in two paths based on one decision, and he is the other path. And it's making you remember, you know? Making you wonder what if you'd stayed with it. Like seeing the person you thought, at one time, you were. And because of that, it's making you feel the same way again. Making you question if you did the right thing.

Again, I'm not going to say that you're trans, Ron. And I'm not going to say that you're not. Because it's really not my place. It's also possible that these feelings that are being thrown up are the result of you repressing how you felt because it felt too bad to carry on with them, and in this guy a dam has burst and you feel like you really do want to be someone like that. That's something that the individual can only really figure our for themselves. I do think we see in others, parts of ourselves. Whether this part is in the past or in the present... sweetie, that's really your call.

It does seem that this guy has taken you back to that place though, because of who and how he is. And it's made you think about it. Go see a gender therapist, okay? If you can. Tell them what you've told us. They have way more training and experience with these issues than most here. And can help you work through it face to face. Which is definitely a benefit.

*big hugs*
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Gertrude

A competent therapist that's familiar with gender issues would help you a lot.


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Ron

Quote from: Sephirah on August 06, 2018, 01:53:19 PM
Sweetie the first thing I'll say is that it's very likely a gender therapist could help you. Even if just to talk everything through with and get a fresh perspective on. I think it would be worth trying to get in touch with one and telling them how you feel.

Something kinda leaps out at me from your post. This person you're attracted to. It strikes me that he embodies everything you wanted to be, at one time in your life. See the thing about feeling things is that we never forget we felt them. Even if, later on down the road, we don't follow those feelings anymore. For that time in your life, they were there. They were real. And the memory of that never really goes away.

It's not my place to tell you if you're trans or not, Ron. That's not really something I, or anyone else here can do. That's something that has to come from you and you alone. But from what you have said in your posts, this guy is taking you back to a place where you felt that way. Whether you still do or not. Just by virtue of who he is, it's making you remember, and it's making you think about it. With memory comes emotion associated with that memory. It's not enough to just remember something, we have to feel how we felt then too, because that's how the mind locks our experiences in place.

It's like... hmm... have you ever smelled a smell that reminded you of something? Like... for me the smell of floor cleaner always makes me think of school. First thing in the morning after the cleaners had left, and the corridors smelled like that. Every time I smell that I'm taken straight back there, with a lot of the emotions that went with that time in my life. Memory is more than just an image. It's a plethora of sensations all locked up with a lot of triggers, to help us remember. Maybe this is what's happening in your case.

It's possible that in this guy, you see one way your life could have gone. One person you could have been. And how he interacts with the world. Like if your life branched off in two paths based on one decision, and he is the other path. And it's making you remember, you know? Making you wonder what if you'd stayed with it. Like seeing the person you thought, at one time, you were. And because of that, it's making you feel the same way again. Making you question if you did the right thing.

Again, I'm not going to say that you're trans, Ron. And I'm not going to say that you're not. Because it's really not my place. It's also possible that these feelings that are being thrown up are the result of you repressing how you felt because it felt too bad to carry on with them, and in this guy a dam has burst and you feel like you really do want to be someone like that. That's something that the individual can only really figure our for themselves. I do think we see in others, parts of ourselves. Whether this part is in the past or in the present... sweetie, that's really your call.

It does seem that this guy has taken you back to that place though, because of who and how he is. And it's made you think about it. Go see a gender therapist, okay? If you can. Tell them what you've told us. They have way more training and experience with these issues than most here. And can help you work through it face to face. Which is definitely a benefit.

*big hugs*

That honestly makes sense in some deep psychological way, like with dreams and the subconscious mind.  In some wild way my attraction is me taking care a part of me that I've seperated from. Or it's something. 

That's just wild because I never would have admitted that to myself because in the non subconscious mind I see myself as analytical. I'm figuring out somethings I may be out of touch with. I don't think I'm egotistical, but my ego still may be in the way and I have to let my ego go. You're really intelligent and sweet! I need to invest to figure this out.
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Ron

Quote from: Allison S on August 06, 2018, 12:32:24 PM
Well I can say I'm a trans mtf. I think I should've been born a cis female who can play with "masculinity" and still be seen as female.
Unfortunately I was born male and thus if I have short hair or dress in men's clothing (none really fit me the way I like anyway) then I'll just be seen as well.. male.

Another part of my dysphoria has to do with not having a vagina and the functioning that goes with it. I don't consider myself masculine, even if I tried. But having the option as a female to play with gender roles seems like such a luxury to me.
I do envy women who do that already and sometimes even ftm who started with a female body.

This all really messed me up for a while. I don't know when I'll get better about all this though.

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😢 Allison, much love and luck to you.
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